Ex-Staff

Without knowing the real reason(s) behind the demotion (if the issue with James wasn't fully it), then it's hard to say for sure. But I do feel that he should be given the rank.

 

Without knowing the real reason(s) behind the demotion (if the issue with James wasn't fully it), then it's hard to say for sure. But I do feel that he should be given the rank.

Only people that know "real" reason is members in the USL.

I believe Blade gave more than satisfactory efforts while he was a mod.

 

[prizma]

Blade handled so many reports, he helped way more people than most of the mods on the site. Hes the only mod that would respond and help me with problems. Its a big fuck you to remove his rank like that.

 

[Laptop65]

With this logic I should be getting ex-sectional rank also (I know people are going to pull the "3 months" card, but there were issues I helped the staff even after I was off the team)

They're not exactly gonna tell you you're on verge of a demotion because some people tend to do very silly things when under stress / being threatened. A fictional example like quickly running through and screenshotting the staff lounge and then saying "you can't demote me now!" is exactly why you don't get any warning or such beforehand.

I think the general reasoning Blade is that you've always been like this. Since I first saw you on the site years ago, you always had this strange "I'm better than you" attitude around yourself. It's difficult to explain but you always had that "different" sort of attitude in you, right from the start. As a mod, you were mostly okay in terms of work. Spam / scam reports.. blah blah blah, that's not what people are complaining about. It's just the general attitude you've always had about you, for a staff member it just didn't suit you.

Also, Syed and jCash (among others) got their ex-mod in the end even after getting demoted / banned. So the rule can be bent to an extent. It's really case by case.

 

Wtf? Blade was probably one of the most productive staff members while he had that position. Sure he made some mistakes and probably upset a few people but at least he actually did things instead of just meeting a quota.

If you're not willing to give him the ex-staff rank because it has never been given out that way before then that's very closed minded. If there are valid reasons other than that then fair enough, but it'd be nice to at least consider having flexibility in the system.

 

With this logic I should be getting ex-sectional rank also (I know people are going to pull the "3 months" card, but there were issues I helped the staff even after I was off the team)

They're not exactly gonna tell you you're on verge of a demotion because some people tend to do very silly things when under stress / being threatened. A fictional example like quickly running through and screenshotting the staff lounge and then saying "you can't demote me now!" is exactly why you don't get any warning or such beforehand.

I think the general reasoning Blade is that you've always been like this. Since I first saw you on the site years ago, you always had this strange "I'm better than you" attitude around yourself. It's difficult to explain but you always had that "different" sort of attitude in you, right from the start. As a mod, you were mostly okay in terms of work. Spam / scam reports.. blah blah blah, that's not what people are complaining about. It's just the general attitude you've always had about you, for a staff member it just didn't suit you.

Also, Syed and jCash (among others) got their ex-mod in the end even after getting demoted / banned. So the rule can be bent to an extent. It's really case by case.

I'm not going to make this about you but you leaked staff lounge and shouldn't even still be on this site with your past actions. Blade on the other hand did a lot of the unpleasant jobs that will take longer to get done.

 

[Laptop65]

I'm not going to make this about you but you leaked staff lounge and shouldn't even still be on this site with your past actions. Blade on the other hand did a lot of the unpleasant jobs that will take longer to get done.

This is a joke right? Do you even know my demotion reason?

This is exactly why I've asked someone on the upper team to clarify my demotion reason (I already made it public years ago).

 

My bad just read your demotion thread it wasn't leaking at the time you maybe deserved ex-mod potentially I wasn't around to see how you contributed. This scenario is different though.

 

With this logic I should be getting ex-sectional rank also (I know people are going to pull the "3 months" card, but there were issues I helped the staff even after I was off the team)

They're not exactly gonna tell you you're on verge of a demotion because some people tend to do very silly things when under stress / being threatened. A fictional example like quickly running through and screenshotting the staff lounge and then saying "you can't demote me now!" is exactly why you don't get any warning or such beforehand.

I think the general reasoning Blade is that you've always been like this. Since I first saw you on the site years ago, you always had this strange "I'm better than you" attitude around yourself. It's difficult to explain but you always had that "different" sort of attitude in you, right from the start. As a mod, you were mostly okay in terms of work. Spam / scam reports.. blah blah blah, that's not what people are complaining about. It's just the general attitude you've always had about you, for a staff member it just didn't suit you.

Also, Syed and jCash (among others) got their ex-mod in the end even after getting demoted / banned. So the rule can be bent to an extent. It's really case by case.

That, my friend, is called confidence. It's how I choose to carry myself. I don't differ much from my IRL self online. I'm a tad more troll-like at times on here, we all like to let loose in the spam forum at times. When it comes down to getting things done, I present everything equally, based on:
-Historical records of individual(s) in question
-Precedence of similar cases
-Rules, set forth and agreed upon by staff. As well, changes, if they are deemed necessary.

 

[Syed]

nah laptop was a better mod lol, give him ex-mod first

but for real i feel like if staff talked to him about this shit in January and he still couldn't up his game then he obviously didn't belong on staff.

 

nah laptop was a better mod lol, give him ex-mod first

but for real i feel like if staff talked to him about this shit in January and he still couldn't up his game then he obviously didn't belong on staff.

Usually I wouldn't stoop as low to even respond to a typical SF troll, but I ceased what I was warned for in January. As well, it was quite some time ago.

Why would my attitude in private (Staff Lounge) have anything to do with my demotion reason? That is where staff feedback belongs.

This is simply a case of myself being the only one to bring up issues with upper staff, who, clearly, (certain members) are the only ones that supported my demotion. I've also been aware that one Admin (the most active, deals with me constantly for the community and decision making) wasn't even aware of the vote. Many globals weren't as well. In fact, there is only one possible global at the moment who would've voted against me. With this being said, while one admin was away, we're to be told that two members of staff, on this large of a team, have the single ability to, without warning or significant event, demote a sectional mod?

I had posted and pm'ed about Lean for months. The second I'm off staff, I point that out and he's gone in a week.
The fact that I have more of a voice now than when I was a sectional should speak volumes about the issues within the site moderation system, which could easily be fixed if the right ears chose to listen.

 

Staff who are removed from the team are not eligible for retired staff ranks. This is how it has always been.

Wasn't aware of this.

If an exception were to be made for you, it would need to be done for others who were also removed. With that being said, it doesn't make much sense to continue fighting for the rank. Honestly, you dug your own grave by not being professional til the very end.

 

@OP -

You'll soon realize the politics of this site are ridiculous and can hardly be considered "politics" at all. If what you're saying is true and you were not spoken to or warned of consequences regarding your behaviour, then you're right in assuming that you shouldn't have been demoted in the first place. However, this site does not operate upon fairness. It's a Runescape Cheating forum; a website based around a dying game for children which uses a mutated form of democracy in the name of this non-existent fairness. I was staff for ~6 years. I can tell you now it isn't worth the trouble. If I were you I'd cut my losses and move on.

 

Wasn't aware of this.

If an exception were to be made for you, it would need to be done for others who were also removed. With that being said, it doesn't make much sense to continue fighting for the rank. Honestly, you dug your own grave by not being professional til the very end.

My attitude can come off as unprofessional at times, I'll address it below. As well, the exception is for the time I've put into Sythe and the idiotic nature of my demotion with minor problems.

@OP -

You'll soon realize the politics of this site are ridiculous and can hardly be considered "politics" at all. If what you're saying is true and you were not spoken to or warned of consequences regarding your behaviour, then you're right in assuming that you shouldn't have been demoted in the first place. However, this site does not operate upon fairness. It's a Runescape Cheating forum; a website based around a dying game for children which uses a mutated form of democracy in the name of this non-existent fairness. I was staff for ~6 years. I can tell you now it isn't worth the trouble. If I were you I'd cut my losses and move on.

I'm quite aware of sithdrama (renamed because ********** is blocked.) and I've been around for awhile as well, though you have mountains more experience. Given the nature of the site, I didn't believe I'd need to use military-type addressing of normal users, and deal with nonsense when it's presented to me from higher ranks. This isn't my job, I can't get my pay docked by an Admin who doesn't like me on these forums. I understand maintaining proper composure. I haven't flamed anyone, certainly not in public. There are times when my attitude was far beyond expected and I was corrected. These are experiences I have used to bring improvement on a personal level. I have yet to duplicate the same mistake, and I have been learning and progressing as a user and moderator.

As well, the "cut my losses" approach has been presented, but I'm not the type to give up. I like the site and the community. Sure I can agree that it is in decline, but with actual effort from caring volunteers I fully believe that the activity trend may be reversed. Sythe has a unique niche in the gaming world that will always exist, we simply need to assure that we offer the best environment for this setting, with the best features.
Extremely important towards completing this task is keeping on caring moderators. I've made my mistakes, I've admitted them, but my input to discussions, positive decisions and guidance far outweigh the few mistakes I have made in my tenure.

 

My attitude can come off as unprofessional at times, I'll address it below. As well, the exception is for the time I've put into Sythe and the idiotic nature of my demotion with minor problems.



I'm quite aware of sithdrama (renamed because ********** is blocked.) and I've been around for awhile as well, though you have mountains more experience. Given the nature of the site, I didn't believe I'd need to use military-type addressing of normal users, and deal with nonsense when it's presented to me from higher ranks. This isn't my job, I can't get my pay docked by an Admin who doesn't like me on these forums. I understand maintaining proper composure. I haven't flamed anyone, certainly not in public. There are times when my attitude was far beyond expected and I was corrected. These are experiences I have used to bring improvement on a personal level. I have yet to duplicate the same mistake, and I have been learning and progressing as a user and moderator.

As well, the "cut my losses" approach has been presented, but I'm not the type to give up. I like the site and the community. Sure I can agree that it is in decline, but with actual effort from caring volunteers I fully believe that the activity trend may be reversed. Sythe has a unique niche in the gaming world that will always exist, we simply need to assure that we offer the best environment for this setting, with the best features.
Extremely important towards completing this task is keeping on caring moderators. I've made my mistakes, I've admitted them, but my input to discussions, positive decisions and guidance far outweigh the few mistakes I have made in my tenure.

You will not receive praise for your dedication to this place. If you want recognition for your contributions, you need friends in high places, not awareness. Making people aware of your situation and "not giving up" as you put it will only further aggravate those you're trying to convince, and in the end you'll get nothing. Laptop65's past situation rings a bell.

If I were you I'd move on, but if you're bent on this you better either start sucking some serious dick or gain overwhelming support from the community.

 

[Add My Msn]

Staff who are removed from the team are not eligible for retired staff ranks. This is how it has always been.

Lean has ex-global tho.

Lean > Lean (Lack of activity)

 

gain overwhelming support from the community.

I've received copious amounts of private support, and a good bit here in under 24hours. Staff won't be posting here in my defense, they're discussing in private.

I'm not going to pretend that every decision is golden simply because the users' name is yellow.

If I was an admin, I'd expect the same from everyone else. We all make mistakes, again.

 

[Laptop65]

I've received copious amounts of private support, and a good bit here in under 24hours.

Sorry dude but support from the community really doesn't actually mean anything. I had loads of people writing in for me when I got demoted, but aside from making you feel a bit more positive, it doesn't actually mean / do anything.

Staff won't be posting here in my defense, they're discussing in private.

Like Blu said, unless you have a considerable amount of friends in upper staff (or even an admin), not a lot is going to be done. Sectionals are very easy to replace.

I'm not going to pretend that every decision is golden simply because the users' name is yellow.

It's pretty rare for an admin's decision to be reversed. And from the way Govind wrote the PM, it sounds like Globals had a saying in it too.

If I was an admin, I'd expect the same from everyone else. We all make mistakes, again.

Demotions are not just issued out of the blue, they have to discuss and talk about this and that before they'll do it. Seeing as they've made this decision, it means they've had talks about it and are sure on it.

But to sum it up - Sectionals are pretty easy to replace, and to be honest I just don't think it suited you. Staff isn't for everyone.

 

Literally everything you've said is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to dispute. This thread is about me. I don't usually do things for myself, so if you wouldn't mind, take your complaints about your own de-ranking to your own thread. The situations are different, and you do not have the right to make conclusions about the operations of upper staff, when I've already given correct and opposing information. Thanks

 

[JSand]

Lean has ex-global tho.

Ehem. Pointed this out earlier. The contradiction is hilarious.