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IMPORTANT: This is not a debate of what religion is true, the existance of God, etc. This is a debate on whether or not learning the evolutionary theory should be taught in schools.

Because it is beleived to have happened millions of years ago, I do not see who gives a damn in the first place. But since many people (like me) do not beleive it happened, what right does the school board have to teach it? Afterall, I am not allowed to converse about MY beleifs...
 
IMPORTANT: This is not a debate of what religion is true, the existance of God, etc. This is a debate on whether or not learning the evolutionary theory should be taught in schools.

Because it is beleived to have happened millions of years ago, I do not see who gives a damn in the first place. But since many people (like me) do not beleive it happened, what right does the school board have to teach it? Afterall, I am not allowed to converse about MY beleifs...

Yes it should. Evolution is observable every day in the form of mutation of bacteria, animals adapting to changing environments etc. It's not a mindless fairy tale, there are mountains of scientific evidence to back it up. It is an essential part of any biology curriculum and should not be dropped.
 
Nah, it shouldnt be, because theres no proof of it making us, whatsoever, so it shouldnt be taught as a religion, maybe as a scientific thing for nowadays.
 
Because it is beleived to have happened millions of years ago, I do not see who gives a damn in the first place. But since many people (like me) do not beleive it happened, what right does the school board have to teach it? Afterall, I am not allowed to converse about MY beleifs...

It is irrelevant whether you believe in it - the theory is scientific in nature, therefore it shall be taught in a science class.

Nah, it shouldnt be, because theres no proof of it making us, whatsoever, so it shouldnt be taught as a religion, maybe as a scientific thing for nowadays.

There is quite a lot of evidence supporting the theory of evolution.

The four main areas:

- Fossil records
- Genetic similarities between species
- Anatomical similarities between species
- Geographical distribution of species

That's a very brief summary of the evidence, mind you. It's not quite that simple.
 
So what do you propose they teach as the answer to why life started? Something with no proof whatsoever, or something with quite a lot of research supporting it?

Basically what Shredder said - we had to read this book called The Inner Fish this summer for Biology; it actually read quite nicely, and greatly supported the theory of evolution (it talks about all four of these things, focusing largely on anatomical similarities, but also some genetics).
 
There is proof that evolution exist. Maybe, a god created us, maybe not, all in all, it should be taught, because it exists.
 
Lol, these 'evidences' are not so much evidences as they are scientifical bias from the people who researched it.

Evolution is not fact, but a theory supported by very weak evidence which could be easily used better in a creation model.
 
It is irrelevant whether you believe in it - the theory is scientific in nature, therefore it shall be taught in a science class.



There is quite a lot of evidence supporting the theory of evolution.

The four main areas:

- Fossil records
- Genetic similarities between species
- Anatomical similarities between species
- Geographical distribution of species

That's a very brief summary of the evidence, mind you. It's not quite that simple.
But, how do you know they turned into humans, wouldnt there be none of that species left, then?
 
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I have no problem with evolution and creationism being taught in schools, such as long as no propaganda is given; ie, nobody tells you or gives you an idea on what to believe. You are given both sides then you make your decision.
 
Lol, these 'evidences' are not so much evidences as they are scientifical bias from the people who researched it.

Please demonstrate how the evidence is flawed without just declaring it by fiat to be irrelevant.

Romber said:
Evolution is not fact, but a theory supported by very weak evidence which could be easily used better in a creation model.

Oh, really? Which evidence, specifically?

But, how do you know they turned into humans, wouldnt there be none of that species left, then?

This was mentioned on a list of arguments that should not be used against evolutionists, directly from the leading Creationist website:

“If we evolved from apes, apes shouldn’t exist today.”

In response to this statement, some evolutionists point out that they don’t believe that we descended from apes, but that apes and humans share a common ancestor. However, the evolutionary paleontologist G.G. Simpson had no time for this “pussyfooting,” as he called it. He said, “In fact, that earlier ancestor would certainly be called an ape or monkey in popular speech by anyone who saw it. Since the terms ape and monkey are defined by popular usage, man’s ancestors were apes or monkeys (or successively both). It is pusillanimous [mean-spirited] if not dishonest for an informed investigator to say otherwise.”
However, the main point against this statement is that many evolutionists believe that a small group of creatures split off from the main group and became reproductively isolated from the main large population, and that most change happened in the small group which can lead to allopatric speciation (a geographically isolated population forming a new species). So there’s nothing in evolutionary theory that requires the main group to become extinct.
It’s important to note that allopatric speciation is not the sole property of evolutionists—creationists believe that most human variation occurred after small groups became isolated (but not speciated) at Babel, while Adam and Eve probably had mid-brown skin color. The quoted erroneous statement is analogous to saying “If all people groups came from Adam and Eve, then why are mid-brown people still alive today?”
So what’s the difference between the creationist explanation of people groups (“races”) and the evolutionist explanation of people origins? Answer: the former involves separation of already-existing information and loss of information through mutations; the latter requires the generation of tens of millions of “letters” of new information.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp

To answer your question in short, reproductive isolation.
 
I have no problem with evolution and creationism being taught in schools, such as long as no propaganda is given; ie, nobody tells you or gives you an idea on what to believe. You are given both sides then you make your decision.
It should be kept out of school and found out on your own time. You don't know if you can have a staff that is more on one side than the other trying to manipulate the children by telling one is better than the other.

Evolution has a lot to do with religion. If evolution made all of the organisms, than there is no need for a god atall. Which will change their belief to evolution.
 
Well number 1, i think that the evolutionary theory along with religion should be taught as a "believe what you want" kind of thing. And what grade are they teaching this in school any how?
 
well, firstly, it's important to emphasize that the evolutionary theory is NOT a belief system, but it's a well proven scientific theory, it has so much proof, that it takes utter ignorance to claim it's false.


now, as for WHY it should be taught- the concept of evolution affects modern biology, when it comes to antibiotics , genetic engineering, etc, so there is a good reason why it's taught, other than to obviously understand the world around us and it's history.


as for creationists who say "fine, you teach your ideas, we want to teach ours too!"

i find that claim ridiculous, it would be identical to a person offering to teach magic (not card tricks and sleight of hand, i mean magic) along with science, and that kids should "learn both ideas"

what creationists try to do is to bypass the process of verifying your theory through peer review and experimenting (which is what's necessary to pass something as school material in science classes) and just get into spreading their false ideas on guillible youth


i think deep inside creationists know they are wrong, so that's why they say that "both ideas should be taught"


by the way- Evolution does NOT equal atheism, i personally believe in a "god" of some sorts, but not in any relligious crap. there is no contradiction between the idea of evolution and the idea of a creator.
 
Lol, these 'evidences' are not so much evidences as they are scientifical bias from the people who researched it.

Evolution is not fact, but a theory supported by very weak evidence which could be easily used better in a creation model.

So, isnt the bible bias depending on what form of religion you follow? Do we have any concrete evidence about Adam and Eve? Nope.

As for Theory being taught, its a part of the Biology process and should be taught. You dont have to dwell on the Ape -> Human aspect but you can touch briefly on it while fully discussing other evolutions.
 
My last chain of Science we were talking about Evolution, There is evidence that we could have evovled from any animal. Maybe when man was just created they only had 1 hand and 2 toes, but Mutations over the years taught them that 2 hands and 2 feet with 10 toes made them survive better. That's why we have Long necked Giraffes, Speedy little rabbits, the giraffes height and the rabbits speed helped them survive better.
 
IcyDude said:
well, firstly, it's important to emphasize that the evolutionary theory is NOT a belief system, but it's a well proven scientific theory, it has so much proof, that it takes utter ignorance to claim it's false.

Really? Did you know evolution is in direct violation with the Second law of Thermodynamics.

Quit spewing these statements like there is absolute proof evolution is true. It's not even observable or testable.
 
Really? Did you know evolution is in direct violation with the Second law of Thermodynamics.

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics states that a closed system not in equilibrium must approach entropy. So, if the entire Earth were a closed system, this might work. Oh, if only we evolutionists had a large source of energy relatively near to the Earth. Preferably something hot and bright. That would solve all of our problems.

Romber said:
Quit spewing these statements like there is absolute proof evolution is true. It's not even observable or testable.

Microevolution can be directly observed, macroevolution can be indirectly observed.
 
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