Dozens dead after 3 IS attacks

Although there is no immediate thought that they are coordinated, the three attacks took place within three hours of each other after IS encouraged these types of events to sow terror around the Holy month of Ramadan.

A rogue delivery man in France targeted an American chemical plant after being waived in as a regular visitor. He parked up, then the van sped toward a hangar causing an explosion. The fire crew arrived within 4 minutes and when entering the second hangar, found the suspect attempting to open a gas cannister and apprehended him, handing him over to police. One man was decapitated and two injured. The suspect has been under surveillance previously for being connected to IS groups. The suspect placed the head of his victim, previously his boss, atop a gate and hung two flags inscribed with the Muslim profession of faith alongside. The decapitated body was found near the destroyed vehicle with a knife, it is unknown whether he was killed on or off site. It isn't confirmed he is definitely conspiring alongside IS, but after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, European authorities fear that is the case.


In Kuwait, IS claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing in one of the largest Shiite mosques in Kuwait during prayer, killing at least 27 people and wounding many more - thought to be over 200. This was said to have been to ignite friction between the Shiites and the Sunnis.


In Tunisia, a gunman who had hidden an assault rifle in an umbrella killed at least 38 people, most of them British tourists, at a seaside resort. IS have also claimed responsibility for this attack. This hit to the tourism of Tunisia is obviously to slow down the economics of the country. Thousands are being flown back home and all holidays for the coming weeks are being transferred elsewhere. This came after grief surrounding the massacre of mostly foreign tourists at a museum in Tunis in March which saw 22 people dead. The gunman started to shoot on the beach, before heading to a hotel pool area and lobby. The police took around 30 minutes to respond after the initial shooting.

This is why tolerance and respect is such a big deal in today's society. Until we learn to live together and put aside our differences, this will continue to tear apart our modern world.
How should such things be responded to?
What do these militants expect to gain from killing?
How should we tighten security, is the only way to tighten up our borders?​

 

I firmly believe religion is the cause for far too many conflicts, which could and should all be avoided. Theism is destructive, and serves for nothing other than blind hope fueled by unanswered questions. Humans refuse to realize that certain questions cannot possibly be answered, and search for something to fill the void, no matter how irrational.

Hating and killing others based on this is absolutely ridiculous, and is holding back our entire race.

I can't answer your questions, as I've not looked deeply enough into the topic. I have friends who are stationed less than a mile from the Kuwait bombing, and it's scaring their families.

 

[Spyder69]

This is why tolerance and respect is such a big deal in today's society. Until we learn to live together and put aside our differences, this will continue to tear apart our modern world.
How should such things be responded to?
What do these militants expect to gain from killing?
How should we tighten security, is the only way to tighten up our borders?[/center]

This is one of the biggest problems with our modern society. Everyone's too thin-skinned to actually say what needs to be said, and do what needs to be done.

The only way you can deal with people like this is to wipe them off the map. Sounds contradictory considering that's what they want to do to us, but there's a difference between eliminating a disease that wishes to spread, and attempting to negotiate with it, when we all know its end-goal is our destruction.

There is no other way to deal with this human blemish other than to eradicate it.

Unfortunately, this is religiously based, and no amount of bombs will be able to destroy it. These radicals exist because of versus in their holy text. Real change won't come about until Islam has reformed to conform to our modern society.

This video sums it up very well

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Even though this is KSA, it still speaks to a foreign ideology that doesn't wish to become part of an international community that can coexist with other less "radical" beliefs. (at the moment at least)

Christianity reformed throughout the centuries
Catholicism reformed throughout the centuries

The ideology that fuels ISIS needs to be reformed as well.

 

[Lawesyplace]

i was on holiday there last week im glad i left but it all happened due to ram-madam? is that how you say it? they believe that if they do it then, when they die they get more virgins and that Allah will be more pleased with them

 

The only way you can deal with people like this is to wipe them off the map. Sounds contradictory considering that's what they want to do to us, but there's a difference between eliminating a disease that wishes to spread, and attempting to negotiate with it, when we all know its end-goal is our destruction.

I don't think you can eradicate an idea. No matter how many you slaughter, more will follow in their footsteps. You can't and will never kill all radicals. You can kill their leaders, kill millions of innocents too.. but I don't think it'll just be wiped out. Billions of dollars have went to fighting these evil forces and there isn't much progress, only more hypertension.

What I meant really was that if everyone was tolerant and kept their beliefs personal and lived alongside each other then this wouldn't happen. I wasn't at all being thin-skinned or what have you; but it shows the importance of being tolerant and celebrating diversity for new things, new people, new beliefs, races, religions, genders and so on. Because we don't need to create another monster like we have with IS and they have with us.

Compassion won't sort it now, I agree. But I don't think you can ever eradicate such a widespread idea and sensationalised group like IS.

 

[Lawesyplace]

I don't think you can eradicate an idea. No matter how many you slaughter, more will follow in their footsteps. You can't and will never kill all radicals. You can kill their leaders, kill millions of innocents too.. but I don't think it'll just be wiped out. Billions of dollars have went to fighting these evil forces and there isn't much progress, only more hypertension.

What I meant really was that if everyone was tolerant and kept their beliefs personal and lived alongside each other then this wouldn't happen. I wasn't at all being thin-skinned or what have you; but it shows the importance of being tolerant and celebrating diversity for new things, new people, new beliefs, races, religions, genders and so on. Because we don't need to create another monster like we have with IS and they have with us.

Compassion won't sort it now, I agree. But I don't think you can ever eradicate such a widespread idea and sensationalised group like IS.

for every winner there is a loser and for every loser is a need for revenge, hate would only grow stronger and more would join just to get justice for what they think is right no matter how many you kill there familys kids or friends would only join the cause for revenge, and who would you slaughter? muslims? some of the 'terrorists' are british and american too

 

Thats my point

 

I was on that same beach, 3 years ago during Ramadan. Tough time for those working in the sun all day! I felt sorry for them! Pretty risky going to a country that has territories occupied by a terrorist group, and that is on high alert.

 

Isis apparently tried to bomb London earlier today/yesterday.

 

Yeah, something about someone being apprehended in the run up to Armed Forces day. I don't know how solid that is though, we apprehend people on suspicion quite a lot.

 

Yeah, something about someone being apprehended in the run up to Armed Forces day. I don't know how solid that is though, we apprehend people on suspicion quite a lot.

I found it interesting, I live just not long east of London, so I can imagine what it would be like.

 

[Finally07]

This is one of the biggest problems with our modern society. Everyone's too thin-skinned to actually say what needs to be said, and do what needs to be done.

The only way you can deal with people like this is to wipe them off the map. Sounds contradictory considering that's what they want to do to us, but there's a difference between eliminating a disease that wishes to spread, and attempting to negotiate with it, when we all know its end-goal is our destruction.

There is no other way to deal with this human blemish other than to eradicate it.

The relative success of IS is a direct result of the attempt to eradicate everything that was related to Osama Bin Laden and by extent Al Qaeda. The repression of Sunni muslims that followed in Iraq is the main reason for the anger and frustration that fueled IS. By no means am I trying to be apologetic - IS does not receive my understanding in any way - but you are suggesting a utilitarian approach yet proposing means that have proven to be cause of this problem in the first place.

Without a doubt IS should be defeated, but it is a misconception to believe that this defeat is all that matters and that the way to achieve it is a side issue. On the long run, the risk of creating martyrs is as big as an issue as IS itself. Deny this as you will, the Al Qaeda reference stands.

 

[Hamouze]

This is honestly so frustrating. Living in a world already plagued with Islamaphobia and anti-Islamists, the IS has continued to perpetuate this hatred towards Muslims. Your question of "What do they seek to accomplish with these shootings" is a stumper and the questions Muslims and others alike have been asking themselves. Why in the world do they think that attacking foreigners and their own Muslim people alike will make people relate with them more or join their cause is beyond me. They're an atrocious group that shouldn't be held representative of the Islamic community but unfortunately are by many.

You're right about not being able to fight an ideology with weapons, and that is definitely the case with most extremist groups EXCEPT ISIS. Here's why: the world has never seen a politically and religiously driven organization trying to build a caliphate since before the Spanish Inquisition centuries ago. ISIS has most of its recruits out of fear or simply the people having nowhere else to turn to for support. If it is shown that the Islamic State is weak in front of its own people, recruits will abandon the organization. Their main method of recruiting is through propaganda showing that the West is weak and they are strong. We have barely done anything to counter that.

A specific method that works very well is decapitation. Now I know what you're thinking and no I don't mean decapitation as in cutting the heads off people like they do; decapitation is a tactic used by the U.S. Military by killing the heads and leaders of different branches of an organization, decentralizing it and making it completely unstable. We have been too focused on just killing militants but militants don't mean shit to IS. With no one to lead, the people will be lost and hopeless.

I'm on my phone right now driving on the highway so this might not have come out exactly how I wanted it to but I could elaborate further and respond properly when I get home.

 

[Spyder69]

I don't think you can eradicate an idea. No matter how many you slaughter, more will follow in their footsteps. You can't and will never kill all radicals. You can kill their leaders, kill millions of innocents too.. but I don't think it'll just be wiped out. Billions of dollars have went to fighting these evil forces and there isn't much progress, only more hypertension.

What I meant really was that if everyone was tolerant and kept their beliefs personal and lived alongside each other then this wouldn't happen. I wasn't at all being thin-skinned or what have you; but it shows the importance of being tolerant and celebrating diversity for new things, new people, new beliefs, races, religions, genders and so on. Because we don't need to create another monster like we have with IS and they have with us.

Compassion won't sort it now, I agree. But I don't think you can ever eradicate such a widespread idea and sensationalised group like IS.

Right, that's why I say that which fuels this certain niche needs to be reformed, and it won't happen from outside influences.

I'm sure everyone's in agreement the end-goal is a utopian society, but that's a far-cry from today's viewpoint.

The relative success of IS is a direct result of the attempt to eradicate everything that was related to Osama Bin Laden and by extent Al Qaeda. The repression of Sunni muslims that followed in Iraq is the main reason for the anger and frustration that fueled IS. By no means am I trying to be apologetic - IS does not receive my understanding in any way - but you are suggesting a utilitarian approach yet proposing means that have proven to be cause of this problem in the first place.

Without a doubt IS should be defeated, but it is a misconception to believe that this defeat is all that matters and that the way to achieve it is a side issue. On the long run, the risk of creating martyrs is as big as an issue as IS itself. Deny this as you will, the Al Qaeda reference stands.

I don't debate that our wars essentially created IS, but it's not really for the reason everyone thinks. These little militant groups have always struggled for power themselves, no one wants/wanted to concede to another. Not sure if anyone has seen the interviews with combatants who were captured, but they all say pretty much the same thing; being imprisoned with each other is what caused them to work together. Granted there are two sides to the inner Islamic struggle (Sunni and Shiite).

I already conceded to the fact that no amount of bombs will fix this, because it's an ideology, and ideologies can only come to an end from within. Hence, I used the Christianity and Catholicism example.

 

[JohnK]

Dozens dead after 3 IS attacks

how about...

Thousands dead after US attacks

 

[Spyder69]

Dozens dead after 3 IS attacks

how about...

Thousands dead after US attacks

Over the course of a decade+...

 

[Finally07]

I already conceded to the fact that no amount of bombs will fix this, because it's an ideology, and ideologies can only come to an end from within. Hence, I used the Christianity and Catholicism example.

Ideology fades as quality of life improves. The more boys without future, the more followers.

 

[ThankU123]

Negotiation is proven to not work over, and over again. In my opinion, there has to be a paradigm shift in the middle east for IS to diminish. Our job as the US government is to devise a way to implement a paradigm shift or simply get rid of IS. But i think protecting our own people is priority.