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You said:



"If you don't pay your rent, you will be kicked out"

1. That's a threat.
2. A "shakedown"
3. Extortion



Yay, more impractical examples.

Eminent Domain is assessed to devote private property to public or civic use or, in some cases, to economic development. You can't claim this when ending all privatized ownership of property. It's not constitutional.

Stop saying that because something is not constitutional then it can't be done. That's not an argument. There are plenty of unconstitutional things being done in the US and noone really gives a fuck, Obamacare, gun laws etc. Just aslong as you get some guys to vote yes and could you guess who chooses these guys? Yes, it's the government. You honestly have a really thick head.
 
but they are looking for rights for immigrants which aren't listed in the Constitution (ofc all people have human rights, but their argument doesn't rely on that).


Woah woah woah. Shhhh, shhh. This is a conversation about our feelings, not logic and facts.


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THE CHILDREN. OH MY GOSH WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT MUSLIMS I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THEM! MY FEELINGS! MY POOR BROKEN HEART! UR A RACIST! GENOCIDE! FEMINISM! UNCONSTITUTIONAL! UR LOGIC IS WRONG CUZ MAH FEELINGS! TRUMP IS EVIL! DOWN WITH THE CAPITALIST CIS SCUM COP PIGS! BLACK LIVES MATTER!

Sorry, I was just so triggered by your comment.

E: btw thank you whoever the mod was that confirmed that people were being reported. I assumed there would be considering that one fake female and Wins can't handle being wrong on their own religious founder.
 
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Woah woah woah. Shhhh, shhh. This is a conversation about our feelings, not logic and facts.


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THE CHILDREN. OH MY GOSH WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT MUSLIMS I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THEM! MY FEELINGS! MY POOR BROKEN HEART! UR A RACIST! GENOCIDE! FEMINISM! UNCONSTITUTIONAL! UR LOGIC IS WRONG CUZ MAH FEELINGS! TRUMP IS EVIL! DOWN WITH THE CAPITALIST CIS SCUM COP PIGS! BLACK LIVES MATTER!

Sorry, I was just so triggered by your comment.

E: btw thank you whoever the mod was that confirmed that people were being reported. I assumed there would be considering that one fake female and Wins can't handle being wrong on their own religious founder.


THANK YOU. Great post.


Believing that, "Its in the constitution so people must actually be following it" is as ignorant as the whole gun free zone BS.


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Honestly, I'm not the least bit surprised it was happening. Nothing short of what I'd expect.
 
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Believing that, "Its in the constitution so people must actually be following it" is as ignorant as the whole gun free zone BS.

What? A major part of the argument republicans make for defending the right to bear arms is based on the 2nd amendment?

The idea that someone like Trump can go around shouting to protect the second amendment and then turn around and restrict religious liberties protected in the first amendment is beyond idiotic

I'm not going to get in an argument for or against this nonsense, but I just wanted to point out the inconsistency, especially @ the posts above saying that the constitution can be violated/doesn't matter
 
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It's a suspension of rental services they are providing that you agreed to pay for and aren't paying for. They aren't threatening to imprison you if you don't pay regardless of whether or not you rent from them!

Are you really arguing about semantics here? Rent is extortion. You're being forced to pay rent otherwise you're kicked out of your home.

Xier0 said:
You keep saying "It's not constitutional" when I'm providing you examples of laws and government actions that are unconstitutional. The fact that the government doesn't act within the bounds of the Constitution is what I am pointing out. This isn't a new phenomenon either since it begins with the publishers of the Bill of Rights, who directly violated it and owned slaves. And it's funny too that the left scrambled to actually look up to read what the Constitution says when Trump said he was going to prevent Muslim immigration. Apparently, Constitutional rights don't matter when it comes to property ownership (especially ownership of guns), free speech, freedom of association, freedom from involuntary servitude, freedom from search and seizure, right to a speedy & fair trial (WHICH ARE ALL LISTED IN THE CONSTITUTION), but they are looking for rights for immigrants which aren't listed in the Constitution (ofc all people have human rights, but their argument doesn't rely on that).

The U.S. Supreme Court, in Kelo v. City of New London, emphasized its “longstanding policy of deference” to legislative determinations of public use. However, the Court also explicitly acknowledged that the federal Constitution sets a floor, not a ceiling, on individual rights, and that the state courts were entitled to take a less deferential approach under their own state constitutions or statutes. This manuscript examines the various ways in which public use analysis can vary between federal and state courts and among state jurisdictions and the difficult issues raised by the interplay between legislatures and courts in takings analysis. Because the U.S. Supreme Court’s deferential approach to public use disputes provides little succor to property owners challenging takings, state court challenges to takings are likely to take on increased importance in coming years. Litigants need to understand the issues raised by judicial review of public use challenges in the state courts.

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Taking legal guns away from Americans is not constitutional. I've only ever heard of tighter restrictions on being able to get these weapons, never the former.
 
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Are you really arguing about semantics here?

No. I am talking about entirely distinct things, which I continue to prove to you, and you continue to move the goal posts. First, you claimed taxes were fair because it's based on your income. Then you claimed it was fair because you vote for them. Then you claimed it was fair because, well, you don't vote for them, but you vote for people who tax you. Now you claim it's fair because renting property is a thing, and losing access to rented property that you don't pay for is somehow "extortion".

Rent is extortion. You're being forced to pay rent otherwise you're kicked out of your home.

If you are renting a place, it isn't YOUR home, it is THEIR home, that they OWN you are RENTING. If you don't hold up your end of the deal, they are free to no longer offer the use of their property to you. The reason that the government is different than voluntary trade is because you have the money taken from you no matter which way you vote, no matter how much you make, no matter how many government services you use. You have swallowed the propaganda that taxes are somehow justified by these completely arbitrary and unrelated reasons. When I ask you to defend any of these reasons, you skip to the next one.

Taking legal guns away from Americans is not constitutional. I've only ever heard of tighter restrictions on being able to get these weapons, never the former.

It's like you didn't even read everyone correcting you. Did you not happen to see the huge list of examples we provided of the government breaking the Constitution? By the way, the amendment doesn't read "taking legal guns away from Americans is unconstitutional". It says the right to keep and bear arms shall not been infringed. Under the Constitution, there is no such thing as an "illegal gun", because Congress is not allowed to pass laws that infringe keeping or bearing arms, no matter how fast it shoots or how many bullets it holds. Yet, the right for people to own automatic weapons, large capacity magazines & other arms is infringed by congress passing laws banning them.

The idea that someone like Trump can go around shouting to protect the second amendment and then turn around and restrict religious liberties protected in the first amendment is beyond idiotic

When did he say he would do anything that violated the first amendment? The only ones I know he supports violating are the 4th and 13th
 
Once again you're going off topic.

Xier0 said:
No. I am talking about entirely distinct things, which I continue to prove to you, and you continue to move the goal posts. First, you claimed taxes were fair because it's based on your income. Then you claimed it was fair because you vote for them. Then you claimed it was fair because, well, you don't vote for them, but you vote for people who tax you. Now you claim it's fair because renting property is a thing, and losing access to rented property that you don't pay for is somehow "extortion".

Income taxes are assessed based on your level of income. This is fair to me, and saying it isn't fair is an opinion, as is my own. Trying to "objectively" counter this isn't possible. As all arguments are purely subjective.

We vote for those who manage our taxes. Meaning we choose our level of taxes.

I think you need to look up the definition of extortion.

Saying your home is suspended doesn't make it not extortion. You're still being threatened to pay regardless.

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If you are renting a place, it isn't YOUR home, it is THEIR home, that they OWN you are RENTING. If you don't hold up your end of the deal, they are free to no longer offer the use of their property to you. The reason that the government is different than voluntary trade is because you have the money taken from you no matter which way you vote, no matter how much you make, no matter how many government services you use. You have swallowed the propaganda that taxes are somehow justified by completely these arbitrary and unrelated reasons. When I ask you to defend any of these reasons, you skip to the next one.

Definition of home:

the place where one lives permanently, especially as a member of a family or household.

If I'm living in a house I pay rent for, the level of the house in which I'm living in is my home. You don't have to own the property to claim it's your home.

If you don't pay rent, you will be kicked out of said home.

Definition of threat:

a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course

When you sign a contract to live in someones home, you agree to the condition of paying rent, or else you will be kicked out.

Definition of extortion:

the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

As I've said before, within the contracts are conditions that need to be met which threaten your environment if you're unable to meet them. This is done by force.

I really don't understand why I'm explaining something so simple to you.

Here's another example:

I'm the state, and the land within the state is owned by me. If you want to live in the vicinity of my land, you will need to pay taxes that goes to services in exchange for you living on my property. You will receive those taxes back.

By choosing to live on my property, yes choosing, you agree to these terms.

If you break the law, saying "I didn't know it was against the law to do x", or "I didn't choose to live here" isn't an argument.

Xier0 said:
It's like you didn't even read everyone correcting you. Did you not happen to see the huge list of examples we provided of the government breaking the Constitution? By the way, the amendment doesn't read "taking legal guns away from Americans is unconstitutional". It says the right to keep and bear arms shall not been infringed. Under the Constitution, there is no such thing as a "illegal gun", because Congress is not allowed to pass laws that infringe keeping or bearing arms, no matter how fast it shoots or how many bullets it holds. Yet, the right for people to own automatic weapons, large capacity magazines & other arms is infringed by congress passing laws banning them.

If you read my reply, you can challenge the government to a judicial review. If incompatible with a higher authority, such as the written constitution, decisions can be overturned.

I already explained why removing privatized ownership as a whole is impractical.

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It's like you didn't even read everyone correcting you. Did you not happen to see the huge list of examples we provided of the government breaking the Constitution? By the way, the amendment doesn't read "taking legal guns away from Americans is unconstitutional". It says the right to keep and bear arms shall not been infringed. Under the Constitution, there is no such thing as a "illegal gun", because Congress is not allowed to pass laws that infringe keeping or bearing arms, no matter how fast it shoots or how many bullets it holds. Yet, the right for people to own automatic weapons, large capacity magazines & other arms is infringed by congress passing laws banning them.

Here we go again.

Definition of infringe:

actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.).

I obtain a gun legally, them trying to take it away would INFRINGE on my rights to bear arms, which is not constitutional.

Restricting how you obtain the gun isn't against the constitution.
 
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I'm the state, and the land within the state is owned by me.

No it isn't. End of discussion. http://www.sythe.org/something-all/940416-prove-my-existence-within-state.html

You are making things up to justify your warped morality, where lowering taxes is "the epitome of shadiness" when we have already proven:

http://www.sythe.org/something-all/...sm-fails-why-our-society-being-destroyed.html

Taxes are covered here, I suggest you learn basic philosophy before ever attempting politics.

Again I take this to mean you agree that the state does not physically exist and is just a piece of paper.

I cannot exist within a piece of paper therefore I cannot exist within the state.
 
It's an example buddy. You know, hypothetical? I really had enough of this thread as it's purpose has been shot to the ground by those warping the conversation. I already explained my position on Donald Trump. I'm out.

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I already explained my position on Donald Trump. I'm out.

I honestly couldn't repeat it back to you, because it has been buried under all this misinformation & propaganda about him that you have regurgitated.

Did you have a real reason for disliking Trump, or did you believe people when they told you he was a racist?
 
Wtf happened to this thread?
 
So I go to a friend's tumblr page for cute anime pics, and I stumbled upon this.

tumblr_nz2gog6gSd1s1vn29o1_540.jpg


44K+ notes on the post.

Apparently 44k+ people actually believe half the garbage they see on a social media site. I thought someone in this thread was joking when they said people likened Trump to Hitler, I guess I really shouldn't be doubting what I hear when considering certain groups on the internet (tumblr and imgur are two very good examples) have the collective IQ of a dead baby. The fact some people try to draw a parallel between German Jewish citizens to illegal immigrants screwing us is quite funny honestly. Then we have the last part of it, which leads me to believe 44K+ people don't know how to read an article, probably reading the headline without paying attention to context.

Ahhh, our glorious education system.

btw, I can't seem to remember. Was Hitler proposing mass deportation? I seem to remember the Nazi party slaughtering 6 million people rather than deporting 6 million. Hmm, maybe i'm just wrong on that part.
 
So I go to a friend's tumblr page for cute anime pics, and I stumbled upon this.

tumblr_nz2gog6gSd1s1vn29o1_540.jpg


44K+ notes on the post.

Apparently 44k+ people actually believe half the garbage they see on a social media site. I thought someone in this thread was joking when they said people likened Trump to Hitler, I guess I really shouldn't be doubting what I hear when considering certain groups on the internet (tumblr and imgur are two very good examples) have the collective IQ of a dead baby. The fact some people try to draw a parallel between German Jewish citizens to illegal immigrants screwing us is quite funny honestly. Then we have the last part of it, which leads me to believe 44K+ people don't know how to read an article, probably reading the headline without paying attention to context.

Ahhh, our glorious education system.

btw, I can't seem to remember. Was Hitler proposing mass deportation? I seem to remember the Nazi party slaughtering 6 million people rather than deporting 6 million. Hmm, maybe i'm just wrong on that part.

Nope he only said something about "creating a wall" sound familiar ?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-i-would-force-mexico-build-border-wall
 
Nope he only said something about "creating a wall" sound familiar ?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-i-would-force-mexico-build-border-wall

Thank you for providing this link. It outlines very clearly the intent to reduce crime due to illegal immigrants.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm

This is Texas alone.

According DHS status indicators, over 176,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and November 30, 2015.

more than 472,000 criminal offenses.

952 homicide charges; 55,894 assault charges; 14,191 burglary charges; 55,213 drug charges; 583 kidnapping charges; 34,532 theft charges; 37,441 obstructing police charges; 3,170 robbery charges; 4,948 sexual assault charges; and 7,049 weapons charges.
 
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