Do you support taxation?

I do not see taxation as theft, I see at as something we pay to ensure our safety and well-being are protected. I do not believe that we would be able to create a happy and fully functioning society without taxation simply because too many people would take advantage. Crime rates would increase as there would be no police. Roads would become unusual as it is taxes that pay for the upkeep of them.

I am undecided whether I support taxation or not. I just believe paying taxes is a lot more simpler to do now than abolishing them and having to rebuild a new system. I also believe however that a lot of tax is wasted. The cost for just recovering taxes is ridiculous and the money the government wastes is simply not accountable for.

I don't understanding what your saying here so please put it in layman's terms for me.

 

I'm not here to argue with you. I'm here to discuss.

EDIT: I did not say I support taxation.

 

If Tax was abolished, do you think you should be able to live freely in your country, that the government could make money from anything else to support the services that you need, Policing, Healthcare, Etc.

Yes its theft, you disagree with having to pay someone else your hard earned money, But its a neccessity, for a society, and a nation to continue, and a state to be successful, Taxation is needed. If you don't support it, im sure you could just move to Saudi Arabia or Monaco, places completely controlled by private-sector businesses, and become a citizen.

 

I like this. No earning = no taxes. Problem solved! Hey or else you can just move to some random country and live in the woods with no government and no one to take your money. Sound good? How do you expect a country to run and protect you if they don't take taxes?

Honestly, these comments from you are obnoxious because just because someone supports taxes doesn't mean they want to pay for yours. I support paying for my items at the store, and buying my own food. However I wouldn't pay for your items or your food. Pull your own weight.

-theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.
-taxation is the legal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent.

I love how you just pulled these out of your own ass for it to work for you. I buy something from the store. Do I want to pay for it? No, I don't. Theft! How dare they take my money. Or should I call it taxation?

 

Well then see it this way, you live in their land, Private property of Australia's Government, While you're in their property, they have you binded to their laws. You have to pay them for using their services, If you don't, you break their laws. you'll be put in their Prison (oddly the one you didn't pay for.)

I struggle to see any fitting alternative without damaging the poor or vulnerable, especially healthcare.

So you'd rather someone volunteer for such a dangerous and skilled job? privatised businesses like this would be prone to un-skilled workers, or (more) corrupt workers.

Big emphasis on needed...
The Poor Need the money of the taxpayers, especially in the UK. State benefits for the handicapped, unfit for work, the vulnerable, and ill/hospitalised people need your money, that is a true moral value for why tax should be paid, The poor suffer, even when its not their fault. surely its moral to give to the needy?

Also,

That whole situation is Linked To Tax, Tax is used to upkeep parks, public places, provide the ambulance you would need, pay for the wages of the Surgeon, the surgery itself, the special treatment, the food and medication you receive in the hospital, and time of respite you spend there. Still saying you wouldn't be grateful for paying taxes?

The world is ran by the richest, the greediest, and the most immoral people. what are we (the general public) able to do to fight it? Nothing, We must accept it to continue living in a partly civilised culture, we cannot fight it, theres laws restricting us able to do so.

When I pay taxes, im not going to be happy with it, why should I? It's my money..

But what Alternative Do i have, Tax evasion?

 

I primarily agree -
BUT {Always a but}
What is someone was selfish is this tax free haven of a society? He / She wouldn't want to contribute a thing towards these private roads etc. They would want to spend the money they have for their personal greed.
So it would leave all the community based & generous people to help contribute to the infrastructure etc.
This would almost certainly lead to a civil neighbourhood split. Contributors wouldn't like the greedy ones for hitching a ride off their backs, All for free.
They would try and think of a way to overcome this disagreement.
"Hmm, what's the most fair way to do this?"
"I've got an idea! Everyone pays an equal amount of how much they have!"

Voila! Tax is formed.

 

I would argue to say it is Valid property, The Political party's given legitimate power by the people and are furthermore sanctioned to form government which is to represent the country.

The government fund these organisations with our Taxes, Yes.. they're not good, in some ways these organisations are disastrous, but If thats what the taxpayers money gets now, what do you expect without any money?

So it'd lead to paid and private healthcare..
complete private healthcare and for everyone to pay for their own healthcare..again, the poor/needy suffer the most.

Not insulting your opinion, but from a governments POV, its inexcusable. The rich and well off are taxed to help provide for the natural dependents, because there isnt enough government spending going into creating jobs, influencing people to start opening new businesses..etc.
Im not sure for australia but the UK is suffering because our industry market is dead, We get cheap imports and thousands of businesses That are not retailers are failing.
Also, again, what about the people who are unfit to work and the disabled, HOW can they provide for themselves?

There is no distinction within government, YES they are thieves, but they're providing to the poor, kind of modernistic Robin Hood.

Okay wow, little personal but okay.
Morality and accepting the shit were in are different things, Yeah.. Maybe I cant distinct between the two, but nor can hundreds of experts within government, or other things.

Again, I don't like the situation, but we all accept it eventually right, you still pay the Taxes, Im presuming.

 

I do not support it or anything against anyones free will for that matter. I consider myself a Utopian Socialist to some degree but also believe we should abolish government and currency all together.

 

When you find them, shoot me a pm.

 

Why would you support it? I can't see a definitive reason that isn't also fallible.

 

How else should our government get money?

 

I'm sure they'll figure something out. But why take half of our income, then spend it to put homeless/drug addicts in homes and provide them with food? They made choices that put them there, and they should get themselves out of it.

 

Okay. So they simply need to revise the way they budget our money.

 

Moving the $ from the right pocket to the left pocket?

 

I support taxation. I have more money than I "need" and I gladly pay my taxes and give contributions to help the less fortunate and make life easier. If it wasn't for government the private sector would rape us for everything we have for whatever they can. I don't agree with a lot of the ways our government uses my tax dollars. I don't agree with the greed and corruption that is intrinsic in our government or any government for that matter.

Fight government all you want but in this day and age it is a necessary evil for more reasons than I care to post.

Some people are just anti government or anti anything for whatever psychological or rebellious reasons.

In the United States, everyone can obtain food, clothing and shelter if they make an attempt to find it and hold their hand out. The uneducated, homeless, and starving people in the US are that way because they choose it. You can't say that about any other country. This is all because we pay taxes.

The United States DOES have a form of free health care. You just go to the emergency room and don't pay your bill like a massive % of our population does. I know many people that get a doctor whenever they need and have yet to pay any doctor bills.

If you don't like to live and abide by the laws of the country you live in, then leave or take up some sort of activism to alleviate whatever it is that burdens you so much.

I don't "want" to pay taxes but I support what taxes do for a country. Yes, there are countries, how they became a country is irrelevant.

 

Why should we have to pay taxes? Give me some reasons before you say they need to learn to budget.

 

That's not budgeting

I was addressing the reasons you stated. But I'll list some new ones as well.

The federal government uses your tax dollars to support Social Security, health care,
national defense and social services such as food stamps and housing.

Services provided by taxes in South Carolina are public schools, safe highways, health
care, prisons and social services for low-income citizens. The city or county where
you live provides water and garbage service, police and fire protection and also
contributes to public schools.

^ Taken from the first thing I googled.