[Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

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[Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule
  1. Unread #1 - Apr 18, 2020 at 8:15 PM
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    [Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

    [skip to post #30 for discussion about only this point]

    In market forums, I think we should stop warning for posts that only say things like "added you" or "dm'd you."

    These posts have become much more common recently as Sythe has experienced a wave of new users courtesy of the quarantine and new games like Valorant. Many other forums don't give warnings for these sorts of posts, and I don't like infracting people for just trying to do business in the way that makes the most sense to them. As with the first suggestion, we will continue to give warnings for abuse of this (like posting "added you" on several threads in a row), but I think we can loosen up a bit and let people just try to get deals done.

    -One quick note is that forums where quotes are required in all posts would be exempt from this change; you would still need to post quotes in those forums. Similarly, if an OP asks you to post a quote, rate, or offer if you are going to post on their thread and you fail to do so, that will be considered spam as well.
     
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  3. Unread #2 - Apr 18, 2020 at 8:21 PM
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    Support 1, I usually look at suggestions and in my head would decide if I would support this or not but when I finally decide if I do or don't support a thread I find it difficult to put my thoughts into words.
     
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  5. Unread #3 - Apr 18, 2020 at 8:42 PM
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    Agreed. Both seem antiquated.
     
  7. Unread #4 - Apr 18, 2020 at 8:56 PM
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    [Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

    Yeah, I am a fan of number #1 & #2, if someone excessively doing it we can punish them for what it worth.
     
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  9. Unread #5 - Apr 19, 2020 at 12:25 AM
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    [Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

    I agree with #2 in a way however we added the rules so people would stop spamming discords...

    This way of them saying pmed you or added can also be bad bc what if an imposter is scouting threads and see's someones discord and notices all they said was "added" then using that situation to add said user instantly trying to snipe them.

    I think market needs to be more of a strict guidline IMO it would help cut down on scams as well + do a check on the last 100 disputes majority of them are "new" / returning users making a quick buck scamming / offering free "services" for "vouches" then cleaning accounts.

    Agree with #1 though since I don't see a whole lot of that subsection.

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    True, pretty harsh to punish (Maybe) New members that want to help the website, after a infraction you dont want to post here again.
     
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  13. Unread #7 - Apr 19, 2020 at 12:41 AM
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    So maybe make the exemption for new members but people who clearly have been here should be warned/ infracted as its the most lazy way of posting a quote.

    Also I was warned / infracted for saying Added or pmed before so.

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  15. Unread #8 - Apr 19, 2020 at 3:28 AM
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    Sounds like a reasonable proposition. +Support for this.
     
  17. Unread #9 - Apr 19, 2020 at 5:47 AM
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    No support unless the infractions given to users who posted on my suggestion are removed
     
  19. Unread #10 - Apr 19, 2020 at 6:02 AM
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    [Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

    For #1, I support this fully. Didn't even know that was not allowed. Sometimes users indeed don't PM but will reply to a thread to ask something. They are indeed usually new users.

    For #2, I support. Another option would be adding a Poll to each suggestion with Support and No Support, so people who don't want to discuss can just vote there.
     
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  21. Unread #11 - Apr 19, 2020 at 9:23 AM
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    #1 i support, mods just need to take common sense approach, its clear cut the people who genuinely support an idea and those who are just being retarded.

    #2 is more tricky with market threads, with the amount of moderation gone into not excessively bumping etc to support "newer traders", relaxing a rule like this just entices the thread owner to ask people to post on his thread in a non-excessive way so their threads are rebumped.

    If a customer happens to leave a vouch on your thread, currently the thread owner is required to report to post to have it removed/moved or they face an infraction. How this is a thing i dont know, but to then allow "added you" posts doesnt make sense. Address the issues in those forums before laxing other measures in the same forums.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Apr 19, 2020 at 10:53 AM
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    I'm going to offer support. It is a solid idea I don't have much more reasoning than that.
     
  25. Unread #13 - Apr 19, 2020 at 12:38 PM
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    I support.



    #1 - completely agree with. People tend to reiterate the same idea that's been posted ten times in order to add thought on a suggestion. An "I support." could be just as beneficial in those scenarios.
    #2 - A little more tricky and in theory COULD have slight implications.. but I think it would be helpful and support.
     
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  27. Unread #14 - Apr 19, 2020 at 1:45 PM
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    [Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

    Helpful comments, thanks. I agree that reporting vouches left in the wrong place is annoying and not the best use of anyone's time so maybe we can fix that situation depending on how this rule change is rolled out.

    The main issue with #2 is the underlined bit you mentioned, and I'm not sure how to prevent that from happening. Maybe make the punishment for farming thread bumps severe enough that people don't often do it? It is pretty obvious to staff when people are pulling this kind of thing, so that might work. Open to other suggestions though.
     
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  29. Unread #15 - Apr 19, 2020 at 2:06 PM
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    [Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

    1st - Yes, however, it's in users' interest to elaborate, as to why they support/don't support a suggestion. I can tell staff generally tend to look on the arguments, not on the amount of replies, at least that's my impression.

    2nd - This is quite complicated with the strict enforcement of the bumping rule.
    A) Some sythe users could (and would) abuse removal of this rule by having users to post on their threads with comments like added / talking to you.
    B) This would also mean removal of the 'Failure to provide a quote rule', which was implemented because people would just ask a bunch of questions making the thread more "spammy" and bumping it on top.
    So basically the 2nd option wouldn't kiss with our attempts to stop excessive bumping.
    Also, I'm not a fan of the rules where we don't need rules, but if we relax on 'added you' type of posts, we won't have defined what is and what isn't spam and it will be down to a staff to decide. Obviously we are great at what we do, but some people might disagree on that.
     
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    I know that some service providers used to ask their customers to write something along those lines on their thread to get a free bump. I don't mind if someone writes that on my page but imo it should be against the rules for a provider to ask their customers to do so.
     
  33. Unread #17 - Apr 19, 2020 at 6:12 PM
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    yeah just comes down to the prove it scenario. Could end up with legitimate people getting locked by competition having people spam there threads. Good way to market ban/thread lock your competitors for a while!

    probably best left alone for the second option. Personally think it should be reverted to how it was. You can post on your thread every 8 hours, customers can vouch there. Worked for so long not sure why intervention in free market became a thing
     
  35. Unread #18 - Apr 19, 2020 at 8:27 PM
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    IMO PM'D, Added etc should be kept as spam. If someone is added or PMed he's getting notification so there's no point of informing anyone additionally on thread.
     
  37. Unread #19 - Apr 19, 2020 at 10:08 PM
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    "I support" is a great way to get free post count, if someone is going to reply to a suggestion then they should state why, saying "yeah I support / don't support" doesn't contribute anything at all.
     
  39. Unread #20 - Apr 19, 2020 at 11:44 PM
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    [Denied] Relax the "added you = spam" rule

    I don't see this as a valid argument, as forum-wide, there are copious ways to gain 'free' post count.

    Furthermore, what if the primary reason for a suggestion being supported is one evident and obvious reason that has been exhaustively stated in the OP (or by other members) already - what difference is there between saying I support, or saying I support 'because of the same reason x1000'?

    No doubt certain members may use this for 'free' post count, but I would wager they would be a small percentage, and that having a rule in place that looks to minimise an already minuscule occurrence is inefficient, and may detract from the larger positive.
     
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