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  1. Unread #1 - Jul 2, 2021 at 6:52 AM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    Currently there is a rule that accounts can have a maximum of 5 stats blurred + the total level.
    When this rule was implemented, an exception was made. Users with 5+ account sale vouches, were allowed to not update the accounts they had listed at that moment.

    Recently jagex has been more harsh towards RWT, including account sales.
    Stock accounts (accounts that are very standard, like 99FM Ironman, 40 atk 99 str etc) are still safe, even without blurring anything. Higher level accounts however are sometimes targeted. I myself have had a 2k+ total iron that I listed perm banned, even though it wasn't played for over 2 months.

    I know this is just one case, but I've heard this from other accounts sellers as well.
    I propose that users with 10+ account sale vouches can blur as many stats as they'd like.
    I am also not against increasing the number of blurred stats from 5 to 10, this should be enough anyway.
    And, I'm also not against increasing the required account sale vouches increase to a higher number.
     
  3. Unread #2 - Jul 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    Since it seems that RWT bans are more frequent, I do support increasing the amount of blurred stats you are allowed. However, if a buyer wants/requests the full stats, then there should be no trouble in showing them the full stats picture. That can be through PM or discord or wherever, as long as they are able to see the full stats picture so they know what they are purchasing.

    Off-topic here, but if we want to secure the safety of our accounts, then new buyers should have to show cash upfront before they ask for full stats picture. Too many times a buyer asks for something, only for the sale to go nowhere.
     
  5. Unread #3 - Jul 2, 2021 at 9:35 AM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    Of course, I don't think people really sell accounts without the customer knowing the stats beforehand. It would be fair for sellers to require a Proof of Funds before the full stats are shown, kinda like with name sales at the moment.
     
  7. Unread #4 - Jul 2, 2021 at 9:43 AM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    This, no-one wants his high level account banned for RTW by posting his full stats somewhere
     
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    I support 10, but not unlimted (for people with 10+ accounts sales)
     
  11. Unread #6 - Jul 2, 2021 at 11:38 AM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    This whole rule of not being allowed to blur stats is stupid as a whole, if something is blurred out just assume it's not there and it doesn't add any value to the account. It takes 2 brain cells to fake these sceenshots anyway so i don't see a good reason for such rule
     
  13. Unread #7 - Jul 2, 2021 at 11:56 AM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    support. 10+ seems okay but I see no problem with blurring unlimited stats esp for vouched account sellers.

    maybe this rule was made to prevent evaders from selling accounts that had been recovered repeatedly? if so then only allowing vouched users to take advantage of a rule change should solve that.

    and just like tigeris said, you should be able to essentially blur out any stat that isn't relevant to the sale of your account. PK'ing accounts such as pures may only have 4-6 stats that are actually relevant to the value of the account in the first place, same way for any starter ironmen or anything like that. if a customer really needs to know about a specific stat that is blurred then they can simply ask privately.
     
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    Unless a good argument in favor of keeping the current rule is provided, I don't mind completely removing the rule and I agree with Tigeris' approach.
     
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    +1

    We removed a lot of the other overly-restrictive rules across the forum last year (see [Approved] Remove the "picture proof" requirement in all forums except Account Sales), and the result has been... no change in scam reports. I think removing this rule makes sense too.
     
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    The more I think about this, the more inclined I am to switch to no support. If anything, increasing from 5 -> 8, but no more. I feel like the vast majority of account sales are safe and that changing this ruling could do more harm than good by enabling potential scammers.
     
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  21. Unread #11 - Jul 6, 2021 at 1:44 PM
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    I support this completely. As someone who sells valuable accounts, I've actually struggled to post certain ones because I know how easy it can be to figure out what the account rsn is if you put the time in.
    I don't want to tinfoil hat here, but Jagex could probably look them up even easier, if they did watch those forums at all.
     
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  23. Unread #12 - Jul 6, 2021 at 3:12 PM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    5 to 10 feels like a substantial jump. We just see too many account recoveries and being able to see what skills the account has/had helps with any scam reports. I'm in favor of allowing up to 7 or 8 maximum stats blurred.
     
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    I disagree with this. Either everyone can or nobody can. This keeps it fair and easy to manage.
     
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  27. Unread #14 - Jul 6, 2021 at 5:17 PM
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    [Denied] Maximum amounts of stats blurred with account sales

    I think even 7 or 8 can make a difference.

    Fair point. I'm not opposed to increasing the number for everyone.
    The point of the 10 (or other number) account sale vouches requirement, is to prevent ban evaders from easily reselling their account blurring a lot of stats.
     
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    Considering there are far more RWT bans as of lately, i'd say it would be safer for buyer and seller. If the account would make it trough the "rough" period of being for sale, it still would be considerably hotter than if the seller would be able to blur up to 10(+) stats (rather than 5). With that being said, the customer (buyer) would take a bigger risk as well. Buying accounts is and always has been always risky, but looking from a sellers' standpoint i'd assume i would like to make sure that my customer their accounts are as protected as possible. This would be better for my business and it would prevent a lot of hassle.

    It's also good that there's some account sales required before Sythe users are allowed to blur out up to 10(+) stats. New people or potentially ban evaders would have a way higher succesrate in misleading their customers (assuming mostly ban evaders and new users would try to abuse this change), which maybe could lead to more scams in the account selling market. So being able to blur up to 5 stats and total level is enough for people who hardly sell accounts, but for serious account sellers it would be very useful of having the ability to blur up to 10(+) stats.

    I support this suggestion, good stuff Zora.
     
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  31. Unread #16 - Jul 9, 2021 at 4:38 PM
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    I think the rule should be changed because if the buyer decides he needs more info regarding the account he can simply provide proof of funds and request more info in private
     
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    I think it should be much higher than 10 account sells since people can sell useless ass accounts / buy resale accounts until this point. I'm thinking 50+ account sales before bluring more than 5 stats.

    Agree in a way though.

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    No support, it's easy to farm vouches and I don't think there should be a special case for having the sales. 5/23 stats is more than sufficient and if accounts are getting banned then you're likely sharing more info than you realize. If there was a change at most I'd want to see is 8 stats blurred with 5 account sale vouches. Not unlimited, I think that's too far.
     
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    This. Who's to stop me from claiming 10 low lvl acc sales as acc sales? Unless im mistaken, this might open the doors for ban evaders to resell recovered accs
     
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