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    As I already said, this is at least equally weighed by the lack of due diligence to contact the original owner IMHO.

    This I do not accept. Why would colts be watching the account market? If you rented a house to someone do you then watch the real estate listings to make sure it hasn't been put on the market? Why would you?

    Since the facts are controversial in this case (i.e. what constitutes due diligence, what constitutes negligence, if the vouch estops colts from recovery) I am going to leave it to a staff vote as a sort of jury case, but that will only happen after we're satisfied on balance that Esky is not Racks.
     
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    No mootrucks not busy at all, I go to the kitchen there are no cameras
    Also this matter is a lot to me so I will spend my time replying
     
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    Okay @Sythe
    Once I post from home address voting can commence or has it already?
     
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    protip stop injuring your character by posting that you steal from your work

    /facepalm
     
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    lolololOLOLILILILIL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
     
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    lol stealing from work so scumbags on this site don't steal that stolen money.
    Make sense?
     
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    Speak in some hours time
    Please don't bump this thread until is time for voting
    Thanks all
     
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    I would have to disagree, vouching for an account you haven't been paid for is stupider than purchasing an account you've seen vouched for being as Esky is clearly a newer member (given he's not Racks).


    I can somewhat agree with this point, however at the same time Racks was even advertising the account sale in his signature which makes it even more questionable, I honestly do think Colts was aware that Racks was trying to re-sell he just didn't care as he thought he was going to get paid. However this is just an assumption.

    Sounds good, just giving my 2 cents, Esky shouldn't be held liable.
     
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    Fuck just realised why it came as uni post to @Sythe

    I live on campus mate...
     
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    @Shin I live on campus at uni

    I was puzzled as to why you said uni..
     
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    I can send my ID/Uni ID too if you guys need
     
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    Well I think this is pretty cut and dry... I dont see why people are arguing about it..... So let me inject some actual brains into this conversation.

    If I sell account ABC to @Sythe in 4 payments of 80m, Sythe then gives me one payment. Sythe now owns 1/4 of the account, the 3/4 of the account still needs to be paid off. Lets say Sythe not sells the account ABC to @Shin for 320m. Sythe has successfully sold the account to Shin, but only owned 1/4 of the account and scammed 3/4 of it from ME.

    @Colts7841 was paid some some % of the account from Racks, it is COMPLETELY ridiculous that Colts would get 100% of the account back, because he doesnt own 100% of the account (Racks did pay him for some % of it). @EskyBoy owns the % of the account that Racks paid to Colts, and got scammed the 1-(%x100) of whatever was paid. If Colts wants the account (and he is entitled to recovering it since he was not paid the full amount), he ows EksyBoy whatever Racks paid him for the account. He cannot keep the account in addition to what Racks paid him.

    Let me hopefully break this down to help people that dont get it.

    1. Colts sold the accounts to Racks for 200m (4 payments of 50m).
    2. Racks paid Colts 50m for the first payment (25%).
    3. Racks sells the account to Esky for 300m.
    Note: Esky forfeits the extra 100m ontop, he got merched, it happens.
    4. Racks does not pay Colts the rest, so Colts recovers the account.
    5. Colts owes Eksy 25% of the original sale price to Racks, whatever Racks paid him. Colts is now whole, he has his account and nothing more. Eksy is the real victim here, and isnt repaid in full, but at least is paid something.

    Racks is banned for scamming the price he sold the account to Esky (minus whatever he paid to Colts, which Colts will give to Eksy).

    Tada! Case closed. Thanks everyone for reading. Now on to the next person Gun scams.
     
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    read posts 1-50 and 140 onwards. fuck you guys for posting so much in so little time.

    as i see it:
    • racks scammed colts by not paying for the account in full
    • as a result, colts was right to recover the account
    • racks scammed esky by convincing him to buy someone he, racks, didn't really own
    • colts isn't liable for racks' actions but forwarding the payment of 80m that racks paid him to esky offsets some of esky's losses
    i vote colts sends esky 80m and keeps his account. if not that then colts keeps his account and esky gets nothing. this is essentially what would happen if racks had recovered the account he sold to esky; in either case, esky was dealing with an untrustworthy seller, and that's no fault of colts'
     
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    Hmm. A true case where nobody can agree with one another.

    How interesting.
     
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    Please read my above post. Agree with it. Close thread. Lets get to the next party before we all join Jon up there in heaven.
     
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    I also originally conceived it this way, but its not how rent-to-own agreements go. There is a risk on the side of the seller when giving someone possession of an asset which has not yet been paid off. For example the account could be banned for botting or RWT or it could be stolen while in possession of the rent-to-owner. The compensation for this additional risk the seller is taking on is that if the buyer doesn't complete the contract, the amount already paid is forfeit. In other words the risk on each side is balanced by the risk on the other. Afaik this is standard for these contracts unless it is explicitly written otherwise. Equivalent to losing your deposit.

    Because accounts are an indivisible whole the idea of owning fractional amounts of an account is difficult. The only way you could do it is through an entity which owns the entire account, which itself is comprised of share or stakeholders. Then these stakeholders would take turns through some predetermined means. We're not going to setup such a thing to resolve this dispute. The only other solution to fractional ownership is to sell the account to a third party then split the funds as a result of that sale. (An idea that hasn't been floated yet incidentally.)
     
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    @EskyBoy can you please produce your chat logs with racks where you purchased the account

    and your chat logs with colts as well
     
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    If this is true, than in all respects the account has been the equivalent of banned by Jagex (resold) and then Colts should not be able to recover it. He went into this contract with increased risk, and he took the risk and it didnt pull off. Colts should then not be able to screw Eksy out of the acc. He took the gamble and lost, he doesnt get a win now for it.
     
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    Changing the facts of the case to determine the outcome, interesting lol...

    So I take out insurance against hail damage on my car, and it hails the next day. Your argument is that it might just as well have caught fire, for which I had no insurance, therefore I shouldn't get my hail payout.
     
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    No I simply added reselling to your own list as quoted above
     
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