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Clusterflutterer vs 'Screen-Scraping' Bots

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Clusterflutterer vs 'Screen-Scraping' Bots
RiD's official statement on the recent updates to the Bot Nuke update and the future of Runescape botting. Official thread can be found here: http://www.robotzindisguise.com/forum/showthread.php?11572-Clusterflutterer-vs-Screen-Scraping-Bots

RiD said:
]I've been getting asked a lot lately, "XYZ says bots which use vision will be destroyed next, should I be worried?"
The answer: No. Keep enjoying your RS and RiD, that's what it's all about. We've been successfully adapting to changes in RS for 4 years, so don't let wild speculation from biased sources bother you.

Bots which read data take Jagex on, on Jagex's turf, and because of that they are vulnerable to Jagex updates. RiD and bots like ours are standalone applications and are more free of Jagex's influence. 'Reflection bots' (as I will refer to them) used to go down a few hours every RS update, whereas bots like ours would go down for a few hours 1 in every 100+ updates.

90% of what makes up a RiD bot is under the hood, 0% is Jagex's code, and the 10% which involves looking at the screen is easy to update. For example, when Ivy's were made invisible on Bot Nuke day it took me about 20 minutes to code the bot to find ivy through spacial awareness instead of color (however ivy was made visible again before I could implement that). Colors are constantly changing in RS, making those color changes more aggressive, or introducing a night/day cycle, making thing invisible, may result in us having to adapt, but does not make it permanently un-readable.

Making graphics more confusing isn't a deterrent to botting, because a computer can see what is on-screen better than a human can, and creating confusing graphics only damages a game. For example, a lot of players complained when ivy became invisible on Bot Nuke day, so much so, Jagex reverted back to visible ivy within a few days.

Jagex's expectation was not to 'Nuke' every botter, but 98%. Which is interesting because RiD users actually made up 0.2% of bots seen in-game before bot-nuke. That's from analysing the number of total players online in RuneScape before and after the nuke, it seems Jagex based their estimate on community size (average number of people online during peak times on each of our forums pre-bot-nuke, Powerbot 1.5k, RSBuddy 2k, all the Nexus sites combined 1-2k, RiD 100, SCAR 100 - which puts RiD at around 2%). However 'reflection bots' yielded a far greater number of bots in-game, per person on forums, because of a wide selection of free bots, multi-client support, and the fact there were a lot of farmers using them, even using bots to launder money for RWT...
Jagex have (at least for now) done an even better job of stopping real world traders than they realize. I'm not convinced the damage done since the RWT epidemic can ever be repaired, it is now 10 times harder to earn enough to buy a partyhat than it was this time last year... but since Bot Nuke, the markets are showing signs of recovery and you can't argue the game has gone back to the social experience it used to be, overnight. Reflection bots were 90% ftp according to Jagex, and most popular with gold farmers. Our members are 98% paying members of RS, generally older gamers who work or study full-time, want to be competitive but need a bit of help. The gold farmers were the big problem, and I believe Jagex are a lot more concerned in keeping them out the game, than they are about the remaining 0.2%.

Beyond Bot Nuke, Jagex have added right-click reporting and say their focus will be tackling the root causes of people using bots like grind, and any graphical changes they make should be aimed at improving the game, not making things harder to read... which would probably be more detrimental to human players than bots.

tl;dr
I do expect RS to change and improve graphically, but you can't make graphics unreadable without making it impossible for a human to play.

For as long as the gameplay is long and repetitive, and there are people who need a bit of help with RS, there will be bots.
 
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As good as RID is, the past few days have been absolute shit, I always get disconnected and even now, I cant even access your website, what's going on with RiD? Will the servers ever become stable?
 
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As good as RID is, the past few days have been absolute shit, I always get disconnected and even now, I cant even access your website, what's going on with RiD? Will the servers ever become stable?

I think the servers will only be stable when Nexus (most likely) stops DDoSing when it's back. So it's sort of pointless to use RiD..
 
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As good as RID is, the past few days have been absolute shit, I always get disconnected and even now, I cant even access your website, what's going on with RiD? Will the servers ever become stable?

Yes, currently we are suffering a DDoS attack from a rival bot company, RiD is constantly working to get the servers back at 100%. Eventually the DDoSer will run out of money, or get bored, seeing as it costs 60-100$ a day to rent a botnet. Childish acts to say the least.
 
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I think the servers will only be stable when Nexus (most likely) stops DDoSing when it's back. So it's sort of pointless to use RiD..

Where is your evidence to accuse Nexus? As they're an actual company, they could get sued for DDoS.
 
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Does there really need to be a thread on this? Seems as if RiD is getting as cocky as RSBuddy was...
 
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Where is your evidence to accuse Nexus? As they're an actual company, they could get sued for DDoS.

I said it was most likely. Either way, RiD is not working right now and there is no evidence that suggests it'll be working anytime soon
 
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Nexus is not DDoSing.
 
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Accusing another competitor for DDoSing? How mature.

I hope you guya pull a Rsbuddy and sell out.
 
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Telling it how it is =/= being cocky.

Seems to me like he explained it pretty well and that the only way for jagex to stop RiD/smiba/SCAR would be to ruin the game, essentially.

Coin nobody from RiD has accused anyone specifically, but it's incredibly likely as Trent! said that it's a competing company, but there's no real way to tell who.
 
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I am pretty sure nearly everyone here is tired of all this bull shit about RiD. You guys are here for nothing more than making money by advertising about your bot. You guys don't post anywhere for anything but to advertise/defend RiD.

If the bot is so amazing you shouldn't have to spam forums to get users. I even saw people spamming about RiD over at the RSBuddy forums during all these big events.

You guys have been alluding that NeXuS has been DDoSing, you don't have to be stupid to see that. There is only 1 other competing bot site, and it isn't going to be Simba/Scar because they're free.

Seems like it's just you.

I wasn't aware that I wasn't allowed to talk about RS cheating in the RS cheating section? If you've got a problem take it up with a mod, we're not advertising, we don't know who's DDoSing, we're not advertising for users, we're defending claims that screen scrapers will be broken soon.

If someone claims that RiD bots suck or are expensive or whatever, we're not going to just sit there and accept it. Get over yourself, we don't care if you join or not.
 
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Accusing another competitor for DDoSing? How mature.

I hope you guya pull a Rsbuddy and sell out.
Uhh, hello? Where did he say nexus was ddosing, lol? There's another bot out there besides nexus, you know? Powerbot? Not trying to point fingers at them, but nexus wasn't the only widely known bot. Not saying it was PB either.

I am pretty sure nearly everyone here is tired of all this bull shit about RiD. You guys are here for nothing more than making money by advertising about your bot. You guys don't post anywhere for anything but to advertise/defend RiD.

If the bot is so amazing you shouldn't have to spam forums to get users. I even saw people spamming about RiD over at the RSBuddy forums during all these big events.

You guys have been alluding that NeXuS has been DDoSing, you don't have to be stupid to see that. There is only 1 other competing bot site, and it isn't going to be Simba/Scar because they're free.

The points that are colored below will address the ones i've colored the same above.

Please tell me how he's advertising their bot? Didn't people do this when RSBuddy had a statement? Didn't people do this when Nexus had a statement? He's not advertising at all, nowhere in the post is he saying 'hey guys come to RID and buy our bots!'
He's giving us an update from RiD. Stop posting utter bullshit. You seem to have a personal hate towards RiD for some reason.


He's not advertising. He's not even spamming. Jacomb made a statement against RiD, and RiD is giving a response.
You're a moran. Read above.


Again, you're a moran. There's also powerbot...


Please, if you guys have no idea what you guys are talking about, refrain from posting. Just because RiD makes you guys pay hourly doesn't make it bad at all. It's super cheap, at around 8 pennies an hour. If you believe that is "too expensive", then you should sell your computer and find a job.
 
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I am pretty sure nearly everyone here is tired of all this bull shit about RiD. You guys are here for nothing more than making money by advertising about your bot. You guys don't post anywhere for anything but to advertise/defend RiD.

If the bot is so amazing you shouldn't have to spam forums to get users. I even saw people spamming about RiD over at the RSBuddy forums during all these big events.

You guys have been alluding that NeXuS has been DDoSing, you don't have to be stupid to see that. There is only 1 other competing bot site, and it isn't going to be Simba/Scar because they're free.

I literally facepalm at every post you make.

They aren't advertising. Everyone is asking the questions RiD points out in that post. What bots are working? Are your bots going to go down? Etc. etc. Trent posted that here, so that we DONT get everyone from sythe coming to RiD and making threads asking the same questions. We post it here to avoid the questions, not to advertise.

*Insert another facepalm here*

We don't know who is DDOS'ing us. But if your bot just got shot down and RiD was one of your only remaining useable bots...its logical to think it would be a competitor. It it right to assume? No. But if we have to guess, thats the most logical choice.

The site and bot should be working fully for everyone soon.
 
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Uhh, hello? Where did he say nexus was ddosing, lol? There's another bot out there besides nexus, you know? Powerbot? Not trying to point fingers at them, but nexus wasn't the only widely known bot. Not saying it was PB either.



The points that are colored below will address the ones i've colored the same above.

Please tell me how he's advertising their bot? Didn't people do this when RSBuddy had a statement? Didn't people do this when Nexus had a statement? He's not advertising at all, nowhere in the post is he saying 'hey guys come to RID and buy our bots!'
He's giving us an update from RiD. Stop posting utter bullshit. You seem to have a personal hate towards RiD for some reason.


He's not advertising. He's not even spamming. Jacomb made a statement against RiD, and RiD is giving a response.
You're a moran. Read above.


Again, you're a moran. There's also powerbot...


Please, if you guys have no idea what you guys are talking about, refrain from posting. Just because RiD makes you guys pay hourly doesn't make it bad at all. It's super cheap, at around 8 pennies an hour. If you believe that is "too expensive", then you should sell your computer and find a job.



You apparently have no concept of subtlety. It just so happens that right after the bot nuke occurred several members of RiD show up here and start posting about RiD and that is all they post about; no community involvement, nothing besides saying how RiD is so much better. These were people who just joined to tell us about the glory of RiD. I don't even complain about how much it costs even though it is quite ridiculous to make people pay per hour. I just think it is ludicrous that those members who started posting about RiD have no involvement in the community other than making these threads about RiD. I can go back 4 or 5 pages and find several threads by those members who came here right after the bot nuke and only post about RiD, but I can't go to any other section and find where they discuss anything else. Though I do exclude Trent! because I have seen him around the forums, and I have nothing personal against them but it is just the way they come for no other purpose than to post about RiD - they have their own community for that don't they?

I have made my point, sorry to spam your thread Trent!. I shall have no further part in this discussion.
 
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You apparently have no concept of subtlety. It just so happens that right after the bot nuke occurred several members of RiD show up here and start posting about RiD and that is all they post about; no community involvement, nothing besides saying how RiD is so much better. These were people who just joined to tell us about the glory of RiD. I don't even complain about how much it costs even though it is quite ridiculous to make people pay per hour. I just think it is ludicrous that those members who started posting about RiD have no involvement in the community other than making these threads about RiD. I can go back 4 or 5 pages and find several threads by those members who came here right after the bot nuke and only post about RiD, but I can't go to any other section and find where they discuss anything else. Though I do exclude Trent! because I have seen him around the forums, and I have nothing personal against them but it is just the way they come for no other purpose than to post about RiD - they have their own community for that don't they?

I have made my point, sorry to spam your thread Trent!. I shall have no further part in this discussion.

Does it matter? Are people required to post in all sections? Are we going to complain that major gold sellers ONLY go in the gold section? No.
People are entitled to go in any section they want. Maybe the other sections aren't as appealing as the RS cheating section to them.
 
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i am not a big fan of rid but i have lots of respect for them

their scripts are not easy to make and their scripts were working after bot nuke day

so i hope the DDOS stop

and stop hating assholes
 
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yea i dont see why so many people hate on RID lol.. it's a very nicely coded bot and it works when they're not getting ddosd..

Have you seen the code?

RiD's mods and fanboys have been on sythe for quite some time (and yea they started to post again since the bot nuke day like if we asked for it).
I remember retards posting RiD had coded an AI that made his own decisions.

If I was RiD (the coder) I'd be ashamed of how retarded the users of my bot are.
Most of them feel badass about being able to set the bot up, come to sythe to 'defend rid' before any1 made a thread saying "rid is shit".

RiD should have its glory days but because of the weird structure of the bot they become shit when the server is DDoSed (I assume RiD is cluster based). People cant run RiD for long either because runescape closes/crashes/log out and they cant do anything about that (other bots run for ages?)

The think I hate the most about the RiD users is that most of them actually believe you get banned after 10 hours of botting with nexus.
 
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