Claiming to be #1

[Lyt]

No, it is not completely subjective. New members to the website have no idea who's trusted and who isn't. There's a "highly trusted" rank for a reason, is there not?
I find it retarded that this is allowed, the website should be liable for any scams that take place if someone is false advertising and are allowed to do it.

Just because you aren't "dumb" enough to fall for people with 100 posts and 10 vouches being considered trusted, doesn't mean the majority of everyone else isn't. Stop thinking about yourselves and think about the general community. Why the hell is this even allowed?

 

[KerokeroCola]

People can be #1 in a thousand different ways. They aren't technically lying, and they aren't fooling anybody anyway.

 

[cosrob97]

Just thought I'd point out that the fat free label refers to how much fat is contained in a product based on its fat by weight percentage.

Titles like these are fine. They are fine because claiming "best" or "no. 1" is entirely subjective. Nobody is forcing you to believe that they are what they claim, it's merely an advertising scheme that has been used for years.

I don't know about any other countries but in Australia is there no real regulations on advertising 99% (insert here) and it can refer to anything you've eaten.

That was the first thing we learn in pdhpe.

 

[Puff Pass]

Titles like these are fine. They are fine because claiming "best" or "no. 1" is entirely subjective. Nobody is forcing you to believe that they are what they claim, it's merely an advertising scheme that has been used for years.

This is what i think, like people been using things like this since ive been around and it just because some1 has that in the titles dosen't mean you have to belive them.

 

No, it is not completely subjective. New members to the website have no idea who's trusted and who isn't. There's a "highly trusted" rank for a reason, is there not?
I find it retarded that this is allowed, the website should be liable for any scams that take place if someone is false advertising and are allowed to do it.

Just because you aren't "dumb" enough to fall for people with 100 posts and 10 vouches being considered trusted, doesn't mean the majority of everyone else isn't. Stop thinking about yourselves and think about the general community. Why the hell is this even allowed?

Yes, it is subjective. It's the new members responsibility to learn and find about said things. We have the rules at the top of the page, multiple stickies, and constant reminders from moderators, general users, etc. for a reason. Also, "high trusted" is a rank ONLY handed out by Sythe, it's who he deems trustworthy himself, that doesn't mean people who don't have the rank are untrustworthy (i.e. FireZ, Viou, Video, etc.). I don't understand how the website should be liable for the users? That's like two criminals discussing a crime in a restaurant, should the restaurant be liable? We do the best we can to inform people about scams, and the risks of the marketplace. Like numerous other people have said, #1 doesn't technically refer to trustworthiness, it could refer to kindness, how awesome he/she is at bingo, etc.

 

[Lyt]

Yes, it is subjective. It's the new members responsibility to learn and find about said things. We have the rules at the top of the page, multiple stickies, and constant reminders from moderators, general users, etc. for a reason. Also, "high trusted" is a rank ONLY handed out by Sythe, it's who he deems trustworthy himself, that doesn't mean people who don't have the rank are untrustworthy (i.e. FireZ, Viou, Video, etc.). I don't understand how the website should be liable for the users? That's like two criminals discussing a crime in a restaurant, should the restaurant be liable? We do the best we can to inform people about scams, and the risks of the marketplace. Like numerous other people have said, #1 doesn't technically refer to trustworthiness, it could refer to kindness, how awesome he/she is at bingo, etc.

The website is letting people falsely advertise that they are trusted / #1. The example you presented makes absolutely no sense and it doesn't in any way relate to what I'm saying.
If 2 criminals were discussing to rob one of the customers in the store or and the owners knew about it and allowed it to happen yes, they would be held liable, They allowed someone to preform a criminal act.

Sythe allows false advertisement which is illegal in real life. People don't just put "#1" in their titles, they put "#1 gold seller" when in fact they are not.
As someone said previously in this thread, this wasn't allowed at one point. But what happened? Did the mods get too lazy to edit titles? Not insulting the staff team it's just a general question.

Once again, stop thinking about your own knowledge and think about the noobs for once. My first trade on Sythe was a "Trusted name seller" and I was scammed. Not so trusted hm? I thought I could trust the title because I assumed mods did their job and made sure that people that claimed to be trusted were actually trusted.

 

The website is letting people falsely advertise that they are trusted / #1. The example you presented makes absolutely no sense and it doesn't in any way relate to what I'm saying.
If 2 criminals were discussing to rob one of the customers in the store or and the owners knew about it and allowed it to happen yes, they would be held liable, They allowed someone to preform a criminal act.

Your example doesn't fit, that fact is we DON'T know who is going to scam, and who's not. As I've said; trust is subjective, some users could think 30 vouches is trusted, another user think 100 vouches is subjective, how could we define that?

Sythe allows false advertisement which is illegal in real life. People don't just put "#1" in their titles, they put "#1 gold seller" when in fact they are not.
As someone said previously in this thread, this wasn't allowed at one point. But what happened? Did the mods get too lazy to edit titles? Not insulting the staff team it's just a general question.

Actually, I've seen some threads with only "#1" in the title. Besides, if they think they're the "#1 gold seller," they could be referring to costumer service, how fast the transaction takes place, etc. It doesn't need to be in general. Like I said, it's subjective. Not really, our current staff team is one of the best I've ever seen, have you looked at RaSc or RaSp recently?

Once again, stop thinking about your own knowledge and think about the noobs for once. My first trade on Sythe was a "Trusted name seller" and I was scammed. Not so trusted hm? I thought I could trust the title because I assumed mods did their job and made sure that people that claimed to be trusted were actually trusted.

Looks like you've completely disregarded my post where it stated that it's not our fault: "It's the new members responsibility to learn and find about said things. We have the rules at the top of the page, multiple stickies, and constant reminders from moderators, general users, etc. for a reason. We do the best we can to inform people about scams, and the risks of the marketplace."

 

[Lyt]

Or the mods are just too lazy to simply remove false advertising. But whatever.

It takes 3 seconds of their time, and it could possibly prevent scams. Why wouldn't you want to add that into the rules?
Maybe there should be some sort of definition or rules as to what can be put in ones title then and who can be labeled as trusted.
10 vouches is not trusted, everyone who thinks that is misinformed. That's why there should be a post or a thread somewhere explaining who you can consider trusted. "Trusted" in titles is false advertisement. Which is illegal in real life so why wouldn't it be on here? The way you're explaining it is bull shit, people know exactly what they mean by "#1 gold seller" stop trying to mess with technicalities. That's exactly what it means "#1 gold seller" even if it was #1 customer support, who are they to decide if they're rank one? This is exactly why it shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Emperor Nero]

It seems like you are victimizing new members because they are new. It takes time to learn things on Sythe because there are a lot of rules, protocols, etiquette, and just general inner-workings to learn about the community. If you are going to allow anyone to put #1 in thread titles you should allow anyone to put trusted in their title, because I mean I am not lying all my real life friends trust me. It shouldn't be allowed, because it is false advertisement.

Side note: In the US you can claim %99 fat free if the product is under a certain amount of fat per weight unit of the item. It is regulated because false advertisement, as someone pointed out, is illegal.

 

Or the mods are just too lazy to simply remove false advertising. But whatever.

It takes 3 seconds of their time, and it could possibly prevent scams. Why wouldn't you want to add that into the rules?

Maybe there should be some sort of definition or rules as to what can be put in ones title then.

The moderators I've seen are extremely active, they do their jobs great, it's not a "lazy," or activity issue. We already prevent scams the most we can, we've even had a recent competition for a market guide to be stickied. We constantly update the rules, have numerous stickies, warn users, etc. That would do little to nothing, no one's forcing you to believe what's written there, after all, it is a BLACKMARKET. How do we define things that are subjective? If there's a rule saying "only users with 60+ vouches could use the [trusted] tag," and one of them scammed?

10 vouches is not trusted, everyone who thinks that is misinformed. That's why there should be a post or a thread somewhere explaining who you can consider trusted. "Trusted" in titles is false advertisement. Which is illegal in real life so why wouldn't it be on here? The way you're explaining it is bull shit, people know exactly what they mean by "#1 gold seller" stop trying to mess with technicalities. That's exactly what it means "#1 gold seller" even if it was #1 customer support, who are they to decide if they're rank one? This is exactly why it shouldn't be allowed.

When I first joined, I thought 30 vouches was trusted, but then I read up on the market more. It's not called being misinformed, it's called subjective. How can we even determine that it's a "false advertisement" when we don't know who's going to scam? Doesn't matter, I'm referring to why he could keep it, not what the general public believes.

 

[Lyt]

The moderators I've seen are extremely active, they do their jobs great, it's not a "lazy," or activity issue. We already prevent scams the most we can, we've even had a recent competition for a market guide to be stickied. We constantly update the rules, have numerous stickies, warn users, etc. That would do little to nothing, no one's forcing you to believe what's written there, after all, it is a BLACKMARKET. How do we define things that are subjective? If there's a rule saying "only users with 60+ vouches could use the [trusted] tag," and one of them scammed?

First off I just wanted to point out "we"? I didn't know you were a mod sorry. That's beside the point though, I'm going to finish this off by saying that if you yourself got scammed by someone falsely calling themselves trusted, you'd understand. It is NOT subjective, the only people who'd consider someone with 10 posts trustworthy have no experience with black markets.

You're sitting here telling me that it's okay to lie to the community and tell them you're trusted when you have 5 posts and like 3 vouches. When in fact it's not okay and It's quite disturbing to see that mods let people scam and false advertise themselves. IT's more of just an extra preventative I'm not suggesting it will stop scammers entirely but it will help guide new members of the community in the right direction.

Good bye.

 

First off I just wanted to point out "we"? I didn't know you were a mod sorry. That's beside the point though, I'm going to finish this off by saying that if you yourself got scammed by someone falsely calling themselves trusted, you'd understand. It is NOT subjective, the only people who'd consider someone with 10 posts trustworthy have no experience with black markets.

Uh, I don't have to be a moderator to use the term "we." I'm referring to the general Sythe community. By the way, don't you think if someone has NO experience with blackmarkets, he would read up on all the rules/regulations, guides, stickies, etc. we've established?

You're sitting here telling me that it's okay to lie to the community and tell them you're trusted when you have 5 posts and like 3 vouches. When in fact it's not okay and It's quite disturbing to see that mods let people scam and false advertise themselves. IT's more of just an extra preventative I'm not suggesting it will stop scammers entirely but it will help guide new members of the community in the right direction.

It's not okay to lie to the community, but how do we know the users are actually lying? There are probably some legitimate newcomers in Sythe. Hey, it's subjective, one user could be trusted in one users eye, and not trusted in the others. Mods don't let people scam, they constantly ban scammers, enforce the rules, ban vaders, etc. Do you think that we would have the TwC rank if we didn't care about the users safety?

 

[Lyt]

"We already prevent scams the most we can, we've even had a recent competition for a market guide to be stickied. We constantly update the rules, have numerous stickies, warn users, etc" Since when can the general community do all those things :O?!

Please direct me to the rule changing area, so I can implement this rule.

Support.

 

"We already prevent scams the most we can, we've even had a recent competition for a market guide to be stickied. We constantly update the rules, have numerous stickies, warn users, etc" Since when can the general community do all those things :O?!

Please direct me to the rule changing area, so I can implement this rule.

Support.

Competition: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1298098
Updating the rules: http://sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=424
Warning users: Post on the thread, report suspicious threads, etc.
Stickies: There would be opportunities for stickies occasionally, I stickied Snow Patrol's thread.

Also, I could be referring to the fact I used to be a moderator.

 

[malakadang]

Quite simply it's a marketing tactic that can mislead. It's called gilding the lily, and while it is not 'lying', it is generally looked down upon as evidenced by many people voicing their concerns about it.

 

[kingsword123]

Lol this reminds me of that movie ELF
where will Ferrel runs into the coffee shop advertising "world's best coffee"
yelling congratulations

BTW I am the #1 member on sythe

 

[Growdie]

Who can say if one is trusted more then another?

 

[iJava]

Many companies, franchises, organizations claim and advertise to be #1 everyday. It's not an unheard of marketing technique and who can really determine who is #1, do you judge by their vouches, quality, price? I could just say I was rated #1 by x person and therefore can claim to b #1 under that persons opinion. Not allowing this would be stupid and you will find the people who do use the #1 Tag aren't amateurs or newbies, they are normally the people who know how the market works and are well known in it.

 

[i noob killer i]

Or the mods are just too lazy to simply remove false advertising. But whatever.

It takes 3 seconds of their time, and it could possibly prevent scams. Why wouldn't you want to add that into the rules?
Maybe there should be some sort of definition or rules as to what can be put in ones title then and who can be labeled as trusted.
10 vouches is not trusted, everyone who thinks that is misinformed. That's why there should be a post or a thread somewhere explaining who you can consider trusted. "Trusted" in titles is false advertisement. Which is illegal in real life so why wouldn't it be on here? The way you're explaining it is bull shit, people know exactly what they mean by "#1 gold seller" stop trying to mess with technicalities. That's exactly what it means "#1 gold seller" even if it was #1 customer support, who are they to decide if they're rank one? This is exactly why it shouldn't be allowed.

If you dont like it you are free to leave at any time and join another community we are not stopping you.

 

[Slurpee]

Seeing a lot of newkids claiming to be #1, reported one, and cosrob said it was allowed. This was someone with 30ish vouches, and like at tops 100 quests done. Nowhere near as much as septicon.

Rule should be changed?

I disagree, sorry but come on really? You want to make a rule saying someone cant claim they are #1? Im mean seriously, EVERYONE knows that they are not #1 and there is no reason to make a stupid rule saying someone cant claim being #1

To me, this would be a waste to make a rule like that.