Chicks dispute for Sythe

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[Ban Dispute] - Chicks

I would like to request @Sythe only passes judgment on this case - He has agreed to read over this. Thank you.


Profile: Chicks
Ban reason: Buying/Selling hacked/stolen GP


Dispute:


For context, this statement by Richard

If you admit to possessing stolen gold and we have a verified copy of the admission, that's all we require to ban you.

Dated March 11, 2013.

As well as

For clarification refer to this - https://www.sythe.org/posts/12058569/. TL;DR - He was banned because he knowingly bought and sold hacked/stolen goods.

On the topic of my ban.


I can’t be certain the ban was due to quote #1 “admit to possessing stolen gold” or quote #2 “knowingly bought and sold hacked/stolen goods”. Thus, I will be going over both cases.


If you admit to possessing stolen gold and we have a verified copy of the admission, that's all we require to ban you.

That's a 5 year old ruling back when Sythe had a Nazi crackdown on blackhat because it was out of control, doubt that attitude will keep him banned.


Anyone and I mean anyone can tell the blackhat rule has been reduced, reduced, and reduced back, since 2013, technically there isn't even a rule against buying stolen goods.


The site banned for 10 year old blackhat offences and banned for offences that didn't affect sythe users back than to, staff don't now. Also I could see someone pointing to the rules, it's not their responsibility to know some obscure statement from 2013, its a users responsibility to know the rules, of which buying and selling hacked goods is not one.


Either way I don't see that ban holding him, staff justified a ban of a dude that moves 2x the gold as Bogla on some obscure blackhat statement from half a decade ago? Oh please. Would you like some salt with that cheese and wine?


Sythe's said A LOT of things over the years lmao, you could probably find a statement at *some point* in the last 13 years from him to justify any ban ever, staff took a valid statement for the forum at the time(ONE STATEMENT that's not in the rules) and applied it to 2018 sythe lmfao.

On July 5th, the following exchange took place.

https://i.imgur.com/UQFq03d.png

I used the “adjective” dirty to describe this gold that I dumped because I had been selling it to various sites and Chinese accounts. I bought it in bulk from a reputable staker that does not partake in hacking.

https://i.imgur.com/yTKBjIv.png

He was banned because he knowingly bought and sold hacked/stolen goods.


On August 30th I sold pingy(frogstar) 530m. His account was banned about 2 hours afterward.

This was our chat.

https://i.imgur.com/ClmOZ5g.png

Sure, I was pushy during that sale. It was during Jagex hours, 3 am EST (8 am GMT).


The full context of my side of the trade as follows.

I was offered 2.2b+ at a fair price.
https://i.imgur.com/DvJ1dRx.png


I split it as follows:

I directly resold 1050m to one of my repeat customers. He was not banned.

My worker took 100m, then another 600m of the money spread it on two accounts. She sold the “hacked” gold but both accounts were banned for a different 500m+ 2 hours after on the same account.

https://i.imgur.com/W7ulqWt.jpg

The last 530m went to pingy.

I had pingy receive the gold directly from the seller. I didn’t want to lose the sale, so I was pushy with pingy.

https://i.imgur.com/ad8IIfh.png

You might be quick to notice that I placed a third of this so-called hacked gold on my own accounts. I’m sure I don’t need to say this, but I will anyway. If I knew it was hacked gold, I wouldn’t let my worker pick it up.


After asking the seller about the gold, he did confirm the gold was hacked. Here are my full chat logs with this person up until the ban.

https://i.imgur.com/WWVUDA6.png


It’s a shame things went down like this, but moving hacked gold is not part of my business model nor something I support. I’ve never bought gold I knew was hacked, I will never buy gold knowing it is hacked, and I would not have bought this gold knowing it was hacked. I do $5M+ in sales annually - I have no motivation to ever purchase stolen gold - I have and always will be a white hat Runescape gold merchant.


Us gold buyers and sellers will always have to deal with such events, but that’s how things are in the underground markets.


Additional information regarding the user who sold me hacked gold:


Bongs(the user who allegedly sold me hacked gold) has bought and sold off myself and other gold merchants such as dieze, laziz and many others - There was/is no indication until I was banned at any point that he was selling me hacked gold - If staff feel I knowingly bought hacked gold with no indication - Than why are laziz/dieze/tons of other buyers who bought off Bongs not banned ? I had no more indication than any of them that it was hacked yet I am banned and they are not - If you want the entire chats between Bongs and I just ask and I'll provide it all for you to read - There was Zero indication any of the gold I bought off Bongs was hacked in any form.


At the start of my conversation history between me and Bongs, he contacted me to buy gold, not sell. It seems out of character for someone who sells hacked gold to also be buying gold. Most traders who both buy and sell I think are either stakers or gold merchers.


There is no logical way anybody could have assumed Bongs was selling hacked gold.

 

@video is aware of this dispute.

 

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It's a work in progress, ban was lifted will see if DNT is to remain or not

 

No updates for 2 months, closing this.