[Ban Dispute] - Chicks

[Chicks Dispute]

Profile: Chicks
Ban reason: Buying/Selling hacked/stolen GP


No reason was given to me directly. I was able to piece back together what happened by talking to staff and through gossip. My ban reason is a link to a hidden thread.


Dispute:


For context, this statement by Richard

If you admit to possessing stolen gold and we have a verified copy of the admission, that's all we require to ban you.

Dated March 11, 2013.

As well as

For clarification refer to this - https://www.sythe.org/posts/12058569/. TL;DR - He was banned because he knowingly bought and sold hacked/stolen goods.

On the topic of my ban.


I can’t be certain the ban was due to quote #1 “admit to possessing stolen gold” or quote #2 “knowingly bought and sold hacked/stolen goods”. Thus, I will be going over both cases.


If you admit to possessing stolen gold and we have a verified copy of the admission, that's all we require to ban you.

That's a 5 year old ruling back when Sythe had a Nazi crackdown on blackhat because it was out of control, doubt that attitude will keep him banned.


Anyone and I mean anyone can tell the blackhat rule has been reduced, reduced, and reduced back, since 2013, technically there isn't even a rule against buying stolen goods.


The site banned for 10 year old blackhat offences and banned for offences that didn't effect sythe users back than to, staff don't now. Also I could see someone pointing to the rules, its not their responsibility to know some obscure statement from 2013, its a users responsibility to know the rules, of which buying and selling hacked goods is not one.


Either way I don't see that ban holding him, staff justified a ban of a dude that moves 2x the gold as Bogla on some obscure blackhat statement from half a decade ago? Oh please. Would you like some salt with that cheese and wine?


Sythe's said ALOT of things over the years lmao, you could probably find a statement at *some point* in the last 13 years from him to justify any ban ever, staff took a valid statement for the forum at the time(ONE STATEMENT that's not in the rules) and applied it to 2018 sythe lmfao.

Buying and selling gold is my job, buying and selling gold is what I do every single day. I talk with dozens of individuals in context of this job on a daily basis. Some of which I consider myself friends, or close enough to talk in a more informal way. Crack jokes, “light troll”, cut corners in my sentences. Whatever. When you do this day in, day out, from dawn to dusk and often into the early hours of the morning, every day, it just so happens that you say dumb shit every once in a while.


One of those moments is just like July 5th, when the following exchange took place.

https://i.imgur.com/UQFq03d.png

I used the “adjective” dirty to describe this gold that I dumped because I had been selling it to various sites and chinese accounts. I bought it in bulk from a reputable staker that does not partake in hacking.

https://i.imgur.com/yTKBjIv.png

If there are any other cases where I could have said something, in which maybe, someone somewhere thought it might’ve meant I was handling hacked gold, I will disprove it just as easily.


He was banned because he knowingly bought and sold hacked/stolen goods.


Last Thursday, I sold pingy 530m. His account was shortly banned afterwards.

This was our chat.

https://i.imgur.com/ClmOZ5g.png

Sure, I was pushy during that sale. Jagex hours were coming up, it was already pushing 3am EST before the pingy trade even took place and I wanted to get to bed ASAP.


Full context of my side of the trade as follows

I was offered 2.2b+ at a fair price.

https://i.imgur.com/DvJ1dRx.png


I split it as follows

I directly resold 1050m to one of my repeat customers. He was not banned.

My worker took 100m, then another 600m of the money, spread it on two accounts. She sold the “hacked” gold but both accounts were banned for a different 500m+ 2 hours after on the same account.

https://i.imgur.com/W7ulqWt.jpg

The last 530m went to pingy.

I had pingy receive the gold directly from the seller. I didn’t want to lose the sale, so I was pushy with pingy.

https://i.imgur.com/ad8IIfh.png

You might be quick to notice that I placed a third of this so-called hacked gold on my own accounts. I’m sure I don’t need to say this, but I will anyways. If I knew it was hacked gold, I wouldn’t let my worker pick it up.


After asking the seller about the gold, he did confirm the gold was hacked. Here are my full chat logs with this person up until the ban.

https://i.imgur.com/WWVUDA6.png

It’s a shame things went down like this, but moving hacked gold is not part of my business model nor something I support. I’ve never bought gold I knew was hacked, I will never buy gold knowing it is hacked, and I would not have bought this gold knowing it was hacked.


Us gold buyers and sellers will always have to deal with such events, but that’s how things are in the underground markets.


Thanks for reading.

 

I'll review with staff and come back with a conclusion to this soon.

 

After further discussion with staff, you are to remain banned for knowingly trading hacked gold to your customers and exposing your customers to further risks of loss. Feel free to post a pardon if you would like.