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Im currently doing a bit of writing and i want to know if any of you guys have written any books or short stories?

What advice would you give to someone new to writing and how many words should be per chapter, like around what average. 3,000 ? 4,000? 2,000?

What is something you enjoy reading in books? Like what really captures your attention whether it be a great intro or short chapters.


Answer below, much appreciated!
 
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Im currently doing a bit of writing and i want to know if any of you guys have written any books or short stories?

What advice would you give to someone new to writing and how many words should be per chapter, like around what average. 3,000 ? 4,000? 2,000?

What is something you enjoy reading in books? Like what really captures your attention whether it be a great intro or short chapters.


Answer below, much appreciated!

If you are writing a novel, never go by a certain amount of words or pages per chapter. The chapter ends when it ends, that's all up to you. I've read novels that have 3 page chapters and I've read ones with 20 page chapters.

For a novel you should have between 80 - 100k words minimum.

Fantasy captures my attention every time. no matter if its medieval style, viking style, or just random shit with fairies and dragons.

EDIT: the word count usually depends on the genre of book. I only write fantasy style stories, but I've read on the internet that if you're writing scifi then it should be 100 - 120k minimum words. I'm not sure why it matters, and it seems to only matter for "beginners". For example, J.K. Rowling breaks these rules because she is a well known artist and her book will be published no matter what, I think the 4th harry potter book had around 400k words. If 400k came from a new novelist and they took it to a publisher, it may not even be reviewed simply because it broke the word count "laws."

Steven King can has also broken these "laws" but after I think he's probably even more famous than Rowling, so really my point is if you get 1 best-seller, the laws of the novel word no longer apply. But for a first time, if writing fantasy, it should be no less than 80k words and no more than in the 100k area. 110k words, no big deal. But just don't go crazy writing an extremely long story for your first time, and as long as you hit 80k+ you should be fine. But again, thats only if your writing fantasy genre, different genres have different "laws".


EDIT 2: This comes from a writing site:

The most important thing here is to realize that there are always exceptions to these rules. And man, people love to point out exceptions—and they always will. However, if there is one thing I remember from when my wife dragged me kicking and screaming to He’s Just Not That Into You, it’s that you cannot count on being the exception; you must count on being the rule. Aiming to be the exception is setting yourself up for disappointment. What writers fail to see is that for every successful exception to the rule (e.g., a first-time 150,000-word novel), there are at least 100 failures if not 300.

Almost always, high word count means that the writer simply did not edit their work down enough. Or—it means they have two or more books combined into one.

“But what about J.K. Rowling???” asks that man in the back of the room, putting his palms up the air. Well—remember the first Harry Potter book? It wasn’t that long. After JK made the publishing house oodles and oodles of money, she could do whatever she wanted. And since most writers haven’t earned oodles, they need to stick to the rules and make sure they work gets read. The other thing that will make you an exception is if your writing is absolutely brilliant. But let’s face it. Most of our work does not classify as “absolutely brilliant” or we’d all have 16 novels at this point.



ADULT NOVELS: COMMERCIAL & LITERARY

Between 80,000 and 89,999 words is a good range you should be aiming for. This is a 100% safe range for literary, romance, mystery, suspense, thriller and horror. Anything in this word count won’t scare off any agent anywhere.

Now, speaking broadly, you can have as few as 71,000 words and as many as 109,000 words. That is the total range. When it dips below 80K, it might be perceived as too short—not giving the reader enough. It seems as though going over 100K is all right, but not by much. I suggest stopping at 109K because just the mental hurdle to jump concerning 110K is just another thing you don’t want going against you. And, as agent Rachelle Gardner pointed out when discussing word count, over 110K is defined as “epic or saga.” Chances are your cozy mystery or literary novel is not an epic. Rachelle also mentions that passing 100K in word count means it’s a more expensive book to produce—hence agents’ and editors’ aversion to such lengths.

In short:
80,000 – 89,999: Totally cool
90,000 – 99,999: Generally safe
70,000 – 79,999: Might be too short; probably all right
100,000 – 109,999: Might be too long; probably all right
Below 70,000: Too short
110,000 or above Too long

Chick lit falls into this realm, but chick lit books tend to be a bit shorter and faster. 70-75K is not bad at all.



SCI-FI AND FANTASY

Science fiction and fantasy are the big exceptions because these categories tend to run long. It has to do with all the descriptions and world-building in the writing.

With these genres, I would say 100,000 – 115,000 is an excellent range. It’s six-figures long, but not real long. The thing is: Writers tend to know that these categories run long so they make them run really long and hurt their chances. There’s nothing wrong with keeping it short (say, 105K) in these areas. It shows that you can whittle your work down.

Outside of that, I would say 90K-100K is most likely all right, and 115-124K is probably all right, too. That said, try to keep it in the ideal range.
 
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Just write your entire story and worry about the length later? If it's a good story it wont matter if it's 70,000 or 400,000.

In a way this is true, in a way its not.

If the story is far to short/long theres a good chance a publisher won't even read it to find out if its good or not.

What I suggest doing is what Levels said, just write it. But if its too short, revise it. Add in extra details and stuff like that to get it as close as possible to the minimum.
 
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thank you all for so much advice, i am really using what you all say so i appreciate it A LOT!

and i ask because i don't want to just start filling up nonsense just to add bulk to a chapter.

For example, describing a spectator by writing "The spectator smiled, with his wood colored beard swaying in the piercing cold winds"

^^ seems unnecessary and too much.

So i just asked for that reason only and i would like to know if anyone has written, i know Grim has an book coming out.
 
thank you all for so much advice, i am really using what you all say so i appreciate it A LOT!

and i ask because i don't want to just start filling up nonsense just to add bulk to a chapter.

For example, describing a spectator by writing "The spectator smiled, with his wood colored beard swaying in the piercing cold winds"

^^ seems unnecessary and too much.

So i just asked for that reason only and i would like to know if anyone has written, i know Grim has an book coming out.

It's only unnecessary if it's not important. Does the reader need to know that it was cold and the wind was blowing? People usually use descriptions like yours so that the reader gets a better feel for the environment that the reader is in. This also leaves some freedom for the reader's imagination.
Also, I personally think describing something as "wood colored" is a terrible comparison, just because wood can come in many different colors.

Generally, a paragraph, chapter, or novel should be long enough to get your point across, but not so long that it drags on.
 
You should have your chapters roughly planned out before even attempting to write a book of some time.

You should have story-boards, character descriptions/background stories, the plot etc all planned out before even writing the first line.

That is my advice, my cousin recently had a book published so that is the source I am using after seeing the work she put into it. It took her around 9 months with numerous publishers sending her away till she got it published.
 
Just write a story, use your imagination power and write a powerful story. Do not worry about the length of the story, just make strong and powerful characters and a good story-line. That's all it matters.
 
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I think it's rather simple to publish an e-book on Amazon. A couple of friends of mine have books on there, one as an e-book and the other is published with hardback copies. If you want his details for more information, message me.
 
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You should post some work you've put into the story. I'd love to give you some pointers with actually writing the book.

I wrote a short story while writing my main story.

I could send you the short story, its literally like 700 words but i did it because sometimes writing the main one could fry my brain.
 
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