Artificial Intelligence - The Future of Botting

[Emperor Nero]

I don't think I would trust AI with a bot because even the best AI coders take ages to produce good AIs, and then they're still buggy usually.

 

[weequ]

I bumped this back up because of the bots out there that now rely on A.I for making decisions. This is some really cool stuff.

Hardly any bots are capable of learning even now. Colors bots are far different from AI.

Also pretending to be a human is not what AI is.

 

[M_A_I_N_FTW]

Its not that bad and honestly, some people have been using this "AI" coding but just didn't know they were doing it.

Let me explain a little bit more ( referring to the first post) the difference between so called "script botting" vs "AI/Neural networking".

*This is my explanation for AI but only in terms of botting in runescape, it correctly explains the basic difference and will count for most cases. But as soon as you take this out of runescape, the basic principal of the following will still hold*

AI is mostly conditional scripting that detect its status (with additional back up such as: algorithms, fail safe...et c in detection) then run its corresponding procedure afterwards; "Script botting" is straight run through the procedures without many fail safe.

The main difference is that AI constantly checks what is going to do before it does it, like a human while the script does not always check before executes.

Now you might say "Could I just add more fail safe to my script to make it AI?"

The answer to that is yes no. You could add a fail safe for each procedure in your script, and that would make it never do something it shouldn't do, but that is not exactly AI. The wholepoint of AI so is that before executing something, this way it doesn't have to go back and forth and finds what it needs and head straight to the procedure.


*I will leave it as it is for now because I have a exam in 3 minutes, but I have already implemented something similar to this in my clan war fighter (out dated for now) that you can find on the scar section on bottom of sythe. I will come back with more explanations if needed.*

Tl;dr:
"AI" has already existed in runescape before this "neural networking bot" thing, and it is not difficult to "code".
AI is not a platform based technology like reflection, opengl, rather its a style of programming and the way you handle and the way the programmer handles its stuff.

ANYONE can code AI in any capable language (I.E, Delphi/java and not in css lawls) and it is not solely belongs to xx bot(s).

Machine learning is a separate thing, its a way a self updating algorithm that figures out the best way to do thing via trail and error. Its a sub category of AI and like AI, can be coded in any capable langauge and it is not platform based.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Its not that bad and honestly, some people have been using this "AI" coding but just didn't know they were doing it.

Let me explain a little bit more ( referring to the first post) the difference between so called "script botting" vs "AI/Neural networking".

*This is my explanation for AI but only in terms of botting in runescape, it correctly explains the basic difference and will count for most cases. But as soon as you take this out of runescape, the basic principal of the following will still hold*

AI is mostly conditional scripting that detect its status (with additional back up such as: algorithms, fail safe...et c in detection) then run its corresponding procedure afterwards; "Script botting" is straight run through the procedures without many fail safe.

The main difference is that AI constantly checks what is going to do before it does it, like a human while the script does not always check before executes.

Now you might say "Could I just add more fail safe to my script to make it AI?"

The answer to that is yes no. You could add a fail safe for each procedure in your script, and that would make it never do something it shouldn't do, but that is not exactly AI. The wholepoint of AI so is that before executing something, this way it doesn't have to go back and forth and finds what it needs and head straight to the procedure.


*I will leave it as it is for now because I have a exam in 3 minutes, but I have already implemented something similar to this in my clan war fighter (out dated for now) that you can find on the scar section on bottom of sythe. I will come back with more explanations if needed.*

Tl;dr:
"AI" has already existed in runescape before this "neural networking bot" thing, and it is not difficult to "code".
AI is not a platform based technology like reflection, opengl, rather its a style of programming and the way you handle and the way the programmer handles its stuff.

ANYONE can code AI in any capable language (I.E, Delphi/java and not in css lawls) and it is not solely belongs to xx bot(s).

Machine learning is a separate thing, its a way a self updating algorithm that figures out the best way to do thing via trail and error. Its a sub category of AI and like AI, can be coded in any capable langauge and it is not platform based.

It's not really AI, to be AI it has to learn and adapt based on situations presented to it - this is just an abstract form of bot scripting. A sort of pseudo-AI

 

[weequ]

It's not really AI, to be AI it has to learn and adapt based on situations presented to it - this is just an abstract form of bot scripting. A sort of pseudo-AI

I agree.

My old reflection sw bot used to detect what Area you are in every time before it decides what to do. There is no way I would call this AI.

Something I might call a weak AI is grabbing a huge amount of GE prices and deciding what to do according to those. (Hardly even this could be considered as 'Intelligent' behaviour)

 

[M_A_I_N_FTW]

Machine learning is a separate thing, its a way a self updating algorithm that figures out the best way to do thing via trail and error. Its a sub category of AI and like AI, can be coded in any capable langauge and it is not platform based.

Machine learning is a sub class of AI. I agree with what you said, but I also said all of those thing in the contest of runescape. Which is what we are talking about.


My main message again was:

"AI" has already existed in runescape before this "neural networking bot" thing, and it is not difficult to "code".
AI is not a platform based technology like reflection, opengl, rather its a style of programming and the way you handle and the way the programmer handles its stuff.

ANYONE can code AI in any capable language (I.E, Delphi/java and not in css lawls) and it is not solely belongs to xx bot(s).

Machine learning is a separate thing, its a way a self updating algorithm that figures out the best way to do thing via trail and error. Its a sub category of AI and like AI, can be coded in any capable langauge and it is not platform based.

 

[SomeFormOfHuman]

Man, I might have to try these bots. I still have hope for NeXuS. Just gotta be patient.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Either way it isn't true artificial intelligence in the actual context of the word; as you said it is just conditional statements. I think if a bot began advertising itself as AI and made it a huge selling point and it uses the method you describe it could be disputed if it is actual AI or not, because just adding in methods so that the program just constantly checks itself isn't AI. To be true AI it would have to actively learn and adjust and that would make a bot undetectable or close to it. Until a bot actively uses it as a selling point we are just arguing semantics.

 

[M_A_I_N_FTW]

Yeah pretty much. Like I said in my original post, I was only referring to AI in context of runescape and making the current bots better.

Something I might call a weak AI is grabbing a huge amount of GE prices and deciding what to do according to those. (Hardly even this could be considered as 'Intelligent' behaviour)

Yes, indeed.

It's not really AI, to be AI it has to learn and adapt based on situations presented to it

What your talking about is machine learning (A part of to AI), and I am not saying this out of disrespect but there is no way we utilize ML to make it less detectable. Unless you wanna do like the soduku game in rs, then you could probably use Ml.

But we could use ML to make it more human likeWe could use machine learning to make it do stuff more efficiently but its really weird when you try to implement ML in RS botting, if any one has even tried it will realize its completely pointless in runescape's environment in proper speed. It is much easier to make functions that would run more efficiently or even include little machine learning in it rather have a ML capability in a script.




Look, all am saying is, AI is usually meant for more hard core stuff like speech response, and human interaction. If some one made a auto responder that can do [youtube]FC3IryWr4c8[/youtube]
then thats real AI.

Like I said in the very first post, Condition programming/scripting (obviously there is alot more to it) is back bone of AI (you can check books, lectures...etc), and I'd like to see someone create a AI bot that isn't based off it.

Remember, machine learning only a part of AI, and I think that is what most people getting it confused with AI. AI is about how you react to things and ML is about how you interact.

What can be done in RS in terms of "AI" has been completed one way or another by many scripters with variable success, we can add ML capability, but it would be much easier and effective just to add little bits of Ml in each function/method (w/e you call it depends on your langauge).

 

[Arya]

epic thread, i tried it out and seems ok.

 

[Zezere]

Lolwut i dont get it man?

 

[Sypherz]

This is interesting. are they developing new bots of this type? Or do we have to stick to rid. (I refuse)

 

[evep]

Interesting read.

 

[Guitarist1989]

Great read I knew a little bit on this aspect but this is still quite informative.

 

[Zezere]

Bots are dead get over it!

 

[Garbear]

I wonder what they could accomplish in other matters, other than RUNESCAPE.

For sure, AI is the future of the world to be honest.

 

[Guitarist1989]

Bots are dead get over it!

You sir are a moron. there are quite a few bots that still work such as.

RiD
REvbot
quazar
simba
scar
the first three use exactly what the op is specifying. the other 2 are color bots. I'm sure there are a lot of other bots out there [ especially colorbots] these are just some of the bigger names.

 

[Falmar]

wow i didn't knew that much about rid. thanks for this thread. very interesting read

 

[Kratom]

^ What is Revbot and Quazar and where can they be found?

 

[Zerkerfist]

I've never tried RID but this post was really deep and informative. I found it really interesting and read every word

I don't really have any interest in botting any longer but if I do down the road, I will be sure to check out RID. I have been to the site once or twice just to look around and it looks like a cool little community.