Arguments for Atheism

[Scythe_RS]

I come from a predominately Christian (Catholic) background. I go to a Catholic school and sit through hour and a half long "Religion" classes every other day.
I go to school mass twice a month and listen to a priest prattle on during the homily. My family goes to mass as well, weekly.
After entering the Catholic school, my parents believed that it would strength my faith in God. The exact opposite happened and I now completely consider myself to be an atheist and overly pious people tend to aggravate me.
I have stopped saying "grace" before meals, which bothers my parents a lot. I also have completely refused to join them in attending weekly mass.
I'm very open about letting people know that I am atheist and that I quite frankly believe that quite a few of Catholicism's practices are completely stupid. The idea of transubstantiation just seems ridiculous to me and, being a core belief of Catholicism, automatically does not allow me to be a Catholic, even I wanted to be.
A lot of people at my school try to convince me that atheism is a very poor way of thinking, but they wrongly classify atheism as a religion. They think because I consider myself to be atheist that I lack any sort of moral code. This is not true, however. Atheists can be some of the most charitable and benevolent people in this world.
The point here that I'm trying to make is that I wish to be able to defend my personal views as an atheist and I need to be able to make stronger arguments for atheism against Catholicism if I wish to do so.

Ideas?

 

[Trinity19]

Being athiest is the most logical option, simply because the absence of evidence on the affirmative side for religion is their largest flaw.

I can help you further with this if you provide us with some arguments of your own for the christian side.

 

[Scythe_RS]

I don't want arguments that support Christianity, I want arguments the disprove it by pointing at the fallacies of it.

 

[Joker91]

Atheism is actually even more a contradiction than any religion is. It contradicts itself basically immediately.

Atheism is governed by two main ideas. The first being that all beliefs need to be held up by observational evidence. The second, that beliefs which contradict observational evidence can't, and won't, be tolerated. Atheism believes there is no God, though said observational evidence says the universe has a cause that isn't detected by observation. Atheism states the universe has a strong natural cause and there is no God, which contradicts the two tenets stating all beliefs need to be based upon observational evidence.

tl;dr: Atheism is all about observational evidence for the creation of the universe, and there is none. Ruling out God as a possibility when nothing scientific can be observed either is going against their own tenets.

 

[Trinity19]

I don't want arguments that support Christianity, I want arguments the disprove it by pointing at the fallacies of it.

Never said to do that, I asked giving us some of your strongest christian arguments so we can show you the arguments we would resort to.

 

[bacon1253]

Atheism is actually even more a contradiction than any religion is. It contradicts itself basically immediately.

Atheism is governed by two main ideas. The first being that all beliefs need to be held up by observational evidence. The second, that beliefs which contradict observational evidence can't, and won't, be tolerated. Atheism believes there is no God, though said observational evidence says the universe has a cause that isn't detected by observation. Atheism states the universe has a strong natural cause and there is no God, which contradicts the two tenets stating all beliefs need to be based upon observational evidence.

tl;dr: Atheism is all about observational evidence for the creation of the universe, and there is none. Ruling out God as a possibility when nothing scientific can be observed either is going against their own tenets.

Simply put, atheism means the absence of theistic belief. That's it. It doesn't mean anything else. Atheism is not a religion, a philosophy, a worldview, or anything similar. It is not the conviction that there are no gods, ghosts, angels, etc. Rather, it is the absence of a belief that these things are real...Atheism is nothing more than the lack of belief in a god or gods.

Atheism does not require absolute certainty that god(s) do not or cannot exist. Again, it just means that you lack belief in theism.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

Atheism is actually even more a contradiction than any religion is. It contradicts itself basically immediately.

Atheism is governed by two main ideas. The first being that all beliefs need to be held up by observational evidence. The second, that beliefs which contradict observational evidence can't, and won't, be tolerated. Atheism believes there is no God, though said observational evidence says the universe has a cause that isn't detected by observation. Atheism states the universe has a strong natural cause and there is no God, which contradicts the two tenets stating all beliefs need to be based upon observational evidence.

tl;dr: Atheism is all about observational evidence for the creation of the universe, and there is none. Ruling out God as a possibility when nothing scientific can be observed either is going against their own tenets.

I'd recommend you read into what Atheism actually means. Your ignorance surprises me.

What upsets is when they consider Atheism a religion, its absurd.

As to the topic, all religions are alike in many ways, simply reading a few books and learning their practices you would see how absurd things could be.

 

[Insidious Insinuations]

OP is treading in wrong waters.

If you can't justify and argue your OWN beliefs, you're just as 'ignorant' as them.

 

[xi momo xi]

I usually ask Believers; "How do you not belive in Santa, if you can believe in Jesus?"

;>

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

OP is treading in wrong waters.

If you can't justify and argue your OWN beliefs, you're just as 'ignorant' as them.

Atheism isnt a belief, which is why it is usually considered a religion when its not. Religion is ignorance. That's a statement not an opinion.

I usually ask Believers; "How do you not belive in Santa, if you can believe in Jesus?"

;>

High five. Lol.

 

[Scythe_RS]

Atheism is actually even more a contradiction than any religion is. It contradicts itself basically immediately.

Atheism is governed by two main ideas. The first being that all beliefs need to be held up by observational evidence. The second, that beliefs which contradict observational evidence can't, and won't, be tolerated. Atheism believes there is no God, though said observational evidence says the universe has a cause that isn't detected by observation. Atheism states the universe has a strong natural cause and there is no God, which contradicts the two tenets stating all beliefs need to be based upon observational evidence.

tl;dr: Atheism is all about observational evidence for the creation of the universe, and there is none. Ruling out God as a possibility when nothing scientific can be observed either is going against their own tenets.

You are completely wrong. Atheism doesn't even have two central pillars of belief because it is the absence of belief.

Never said to do that, I asked giving us some of your strongest christian arguments so we can show you the arguments we would resort to.

Thanks then, I would be glad to hear some.

Simply put, atheism means the absence of theistic belief. That's it. It doesn't mean anything else. Atheism is not a religion, a philosophy, a worldview, or anything similar. It is not the conviction that there are no gods, ghosts, angels, etc. Rather, it is the absence of a belief that these things are real...Atheism is nothing more than the lack of belief in a god or gods.

Atheism does not require absolute certainty that god(s) do not or cannot exist. Again, it just means that you lack belief in theism.

I agree with this.

I'd recommend you read into what Atheism actually means. Your ignorance surprises me.

What upsets is when they consider Atheism a religion, its absurd.

As to the topic, all religions are alike in many ways, simply reading a few books and learning their practices you would see how absurd things could be.

This is what upsets me as well, when Christians consider atheism to be a religion, usually mixed up with being a satanic cult.

I usually ask Believers; "How do you not belive in Santa, if you can believe in Jesus?"

;>

The two aren't similar in any way..

Atheism is a belief, which is why it is usually considered a religion when its not. Religion is ignorance. That's a statement not an opinion.

That is actually an opinion... .


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Thanks everyone for defining for me what atheism is.. Unfortunately the topic of this thread is to point out the major fallacies in Christianity focusing specifically on Catholicism. Please only post about the topic.

 

[malakadang]

Do you take the bible literally?


If you could present an argument for Christianity I'll be glad to hear it, however answer my question first.

 

[xi momo xi]

The two aren't similar in any way..

Yeah? They're both made up, and defines all logic, and they're both brainwashed into kids heads, only difference is that parents tell their kids santa isn't real at some point.

 

[Joker91]

You are completely wrong. Atheism doesn't even have two central pillars of belief because it is the absence of belief.

Atheism is absent of believe because, as I said, there is no observational evidence to support that belief.

 

[malakadang]

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in the existence God/Gods.

Atheism is not when someone does not believe in said deity because there is no observational evidence to support the original belief.
While some Atheists use this to justify their position, it is actually not what Atheism is about. It is simply the lack of belief in the existence of God/Gods.

 

[Joker91]

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in the existence God/Gods.

Atheism is not when someone does not believe in said deity because there is no observational evidence to support the original belief.
While some Atheists use this to justify their position, it is actually not what Atheism is about. It is simply the lack of belief in the existence of God/Gods.

So, even if there was undeniable evidence that there was a God, and it was a sure thing, an atheist would still deny it and say there was not? Atheist don't not believe simply because it makes them cool. They lack belief because they have no evidence or reason to make them believe. So, going on an atheist's thought process, we don't even exist at all, because there isn't any evidence of us being created naturally either. If they deny this, then it's quite obviously them contradicting their own system of thought.

 

[malakadang]

So, even if there was undeniable evidence that there was a God, and it was a sure thing, an atheist would still deny it and say there was not?

Your missing the point.

The definition of Atheism is what I've already stated.

Your arguing something completely different, of course many Atheists would say O, theres evidence on x side therefore we'll convert or leave our current side. However your getting mixed up between the definition of Atheism and peoples justifications of why they are Atheists.

 

[Joker91]

Your missing the point.

The definition of Atheism is what I've already stated.

Your arguing something completely different, of course many Atheists would say O, theres evidence on x side therefore we'll convert or leave our current side. However your getting mixed up between the definition of Atheism and peoples justifications of why they are Atheists.

I never stated I was giving the definition of atheism. I stated that it was governed by those ideas, meaning that it exists/is chosen because of those ideas.

I don't really care what religions, or lack of, anyone chooses to be honest. I just find it funny that atheists criticize religions and point out all of the flaws, acting like their system is perfect and superior to religions when they are just as ignorant and flawed.

I'm personally an agnostic theist.

 

[malakadang]

I don't really care what religions, or lack of, anyone chooses to be honest. I just find it funny that atheists criticize religions and point out all of the flaws, acting like their system is perfect and superior to religions when they are just as ignorant and flawed.

There is a very reasonable explanation to this.

Religions criticize Atheists just the same as Atheists criticize religions.
Both systems are not perfect, and every system has its own flaws.

Both are binary opposite beliefs.
In this threads case, Christianity is the belief in a God, and Atheism is the non belief of the existence of God.

 

[Joker91]

There is a very reasonable explanation to this.

Religions criticize Atheists just the same as Atheists criticize religions.
Both systems are not perfect, and every system has its own flaws.

Both are binary opposite beliefs.
In this threads case, Christianity is the belief in a God, and Atheism is the non belief of the existence of God.

True. The groups I've had the most trouble with are Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses.