[Approved] Update Official Middlemen

[Assassin]

Hey all I was thinking a a few potential updates for the OMM role. Currently most OMMs are very inactive and don't often MM and there have not been any accepted since June of 2017 despite many people applying and getting denied despite having completed the proofs. Most people will use other MM's as they are free and often more trusted and active. The people that apply are WAY more active now for the most part as well.

What I'm Suggesting

1. Better Guidelines in place for those looking to achieve the Role. Make this more of a serious role.

Currently it doesn't seem like the role is taken too seriously. Maybe that is just me. I think it was in the past but today in this day and age it isn't. I suggest revamping it and giving people more incentive to try and apply. I feel most don't apply because either no one is being accepted and there's also no talk about becoming an OMM. There seems to be some confusion and separation between newer members and older members in having to do with this role. OMM rank is a role of trust on Sythe. Many people won't use anyone BUT an OMM. The rank definitely has importance and I believe the newer members (last 2 years) should have a fair chance as well but it seems like it isn't fair or everyone who applied recently has sucked? It would be nice to hear other opinions as well



2. Become more strict on Activity Requirements

We don't want someone coming back from a long hiatus and scamming out. or a possible account breach. If I recall this has happened and I think a cleanup would be good as technical core did as well. We also need more Activity Requirements as many OMM have been inactive for long periods of time and barely MMing anything. They just sit with the fun rank.


3. Make it more prestigious/difficult to achieve. Increase the amount of larger trades required to receive this role.

I believe this needs to be increased for many reasons. Someone being trusted multiple times with large amounts makes a huge difference than one or two trades as it requires now. As a customer I'd feel more comfortable knowing this person has handled a lot of money on multiple occasions with many different people. I believe there should be a requirement of a $1k trust, as this is much more serious and difficult compared to now and would make it a lot more legit of a role. I also believe most Sythe members would scam that so it would say something about someone achieving this role and it would put more customers at ease.

MAKE OMM GREAT AGAIN

I would love to hear your feedback and other suggestions to help revitalize this role which I think is extremely important. We need more active OMM

 

[FacelessQT]

Definitely agree this should be done, especially removing old inactive OMMS. I don’t understand why this already isn’t being done.

 

[PhoenixEmmet]

Honestly im in support of this.

Someone like me who built a 3T+ portfolio in the past few months outside of sythe and im struggling to get any traffic from here (minus certain gp stores on here that ive now been supplying) due to lack of 'sythe vouches' since ive never asked people to vouch for me before :/

so having a 1 stop shop for proper MM's would save soo much time & effort streamlining the whole process for newer people starting off.

 

[Pegasus]

Personally speaking, I was going for the omm rank and vowed to remain free in perpetuity because the only reason I mm is to help out, however I got extremely demotivated in pursuing it because I was told even mods/admins got denied this role. People like me who don’t partake in the market as much as others who do so daily don’t stand a chance at achieving this role unfortunately.

Most omm don’t even mm anymore, they just have the rank lol. Revamping the current omms is a must, and perhaps some clear guidelines on what is required..

 

[The Sweatshop]

No support. As far as I'm aware there is no sythe backing for Official Middleman, so in the event of a scamquit, the victim(s) are not compensated. Imo the rank should just be removed altogether as it holds little to no value as it stands.

If your reasoning behind this post is that people should have an easier /safer way to contact a middleman I fully agree. However, I don't think an increase in official middleman on sythe will help to decrease the number of scammers. The majority of scams are imposter scam based. Unfortunately,[Don't take this the wrong way because I think you have honest intentions] your and other discords are a paradise for imposter scammer due to your open middleman channels.

This right here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:

Any imposter scammer who sees this will think "jackpot". (Unfortunately, this person did end up getting scammed) So until requests like that are locked behind a ticket system only certain people can see there is no point trying to improve the middle man section on sythe.

 

[Assassin]

No support. As far as I'm aware there is no sythe backing for Official Middleman, so in the event of a scamquit, the victim(s) are not compensated. Imo the rank should just be removed altogether as it holds little to no value as it stands.

If your reasoning behind this post is that people should have an easier /safer way to contact a middleman I fully agree. However, I don't think an increase in official middleman on sythe will help to decrease the number of scammers. The majority of scams are imposter scam based. Unfortunately,[Don't take this the wrong way because I think you have honest intentions] your and other discords are a paradise for imposter scammer due to your open middleman channels.

This right here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:

Any imposter scammer who sees this will think "jackpot". (Unfortunately, this person did end up getting scammed) So until requests like that are locked behind a ticket system only certain people can see there is no point trying to improve the middle man section on sythe.

Getting rid of it altogether can work as well

 

[Pegasus]

A possibly requirement to achieving this rank that would combat all of this would be that omm are not allowed to ask for a fee.

However I’m not sure that many would go for this, lol

 

[Zora]

No support. As far as I'm aware there is no sythe backing for Official Middleman, so in the event of a scamquit, the victim(s) are not compensated. Imo the rank should just be removed altogether as it holds little to no value as it stands.

If your reasoning behind this post is that people should have an easier /safer way to contact a middleman I fully agree. However, I don't think an increase in official middleman on sythe will help to decrease the number of scammers. The majority of scams are imposter scam based. Unfortunately,[Don't take this the wrong way because I think you have honest intentions] your and other discords are a paradise for imposter scammer due to your open middleman channels.

This right here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:

Any imposter scammer who sees this will think "jackpot". (Unfortunately, this person did end up getting scammed) So until requests like that are locked behind a ticket system only certain people can see there is no point trying to improve the middle man section on sythe.

Meh getting rid of OMM's won't do any good. Have people ever scammed on this by a regular MM? Yes.
Have people ever been scammed on this site by an OMM? Nope.

Because the requirements are so damn high, the people who hold the rank OMM are very trustworthy.
And getting rid of MMs altogether? I am sure more people have safe trades because of MMs than people getting imposter scammed by a fake MM.

This person could as well easily have been imposted by a regular Gold/service seller/buyer. If a user does not ask for a PM, theres not much we can do here.

 

[Tyler]

1. Have no idea what you are suggesting here.

2. There already is activity requirements set by the HMM and if they are not met the OMM is demoted. I don't think I can give those requirments away as they are located in a private forum but maybe ask Shin.

3. The process is already difficult enough. People constantly use websites instead of peer to peer trading and the process weeds out people with bad intentions or people who should not recieve the rank yet.

Definitely agree this should be done, especially removing old inactive OMMS. I don’t understand why this already isn’t being done.

There are already activity requirments for omms and they are removed if they dont meet these requirments. What are you talking about?

however I got extremely demotivated in pursuing it because I was told even mods/admins got denied this role. People like me who don’t partake in the market as much as others who do so daily don’t stand a chance at achieving this role unfortunately.

This rank takes time and dedication to get, just because somebody is a moderator does not mean they have good trading practices and knowledge.

If you get extremely demotivated then maybe the rank is not right for you. This is coming from an omm that took 4 applications to be accepted


[Sweatshop, post: 38348364, member: 970603"]No support. As far as I'm aware there is no sythe backing for Official Middleman, so in the event of a scamquit, the victim(s) are not compensated.[/QUOTE]

Find me somebody with omm rank who has scam quit within the last two years

 

[Assassin]

1. Have no idea what you are suggesting here.

2. There already is activity requirements set by the HMM and if they are not met the OMM is demoted. I don't think I can give those requirments away as they are located in a private forum but maybe ask Shin.

3. The process is already difficult enough. People constantly use websites instead of peer to peer trading and the process weeds out people with bad intentions or people who should not recieve the rank yet.




There are already activity requirments for omms and they are removed if they dont meet these requirments. What are you talking about?



This rank takes time and dedication to get, just because somebody is a moderator does not mean they have good trading practices and knowledge.

If you get extremely demotivated then maybe the rank is not right for you. This is coming from an omm that took 4 applications to be accepted


[Sweatshop, post: 38348364, member: 970603"]No support. As far as I'm aware there is no sythe backing for Official Middleman, so in the event of a scamquit, the victim(s) are not compensated.

Find me somebody with omm rank who has scam quit within the last two years[/QUOTE]
I’m suggesting that a few higher requirements could be useful like a 1k trade if you really wanna beef it up. Your right it’s not easy to become one but I guess that amount isn’t high enough.

The activity sweep thing seems alright but most OMM’s seem like they are busy with other things or simply do not respond and are not nearly as active as others was my point. There are a few that are pretty active but the majority aren’t, just check the middleman thread to see. They may be active but are they acitvely middlemanning? Doesn’t seem like it from what I hear and have experienced. Not saying they should be de ranked but it seems the OMM role was a lot easier to achieve back then despite you having four attempts. Legit hasn’t been given since 2017. Do you know why that is?

 

[Pikachu]

Find me somebody with omm rank who has scam quit within the last two years

if I recall correctly, Wasn't a scam quit but there was a user who was an omm name [Removed because may be the wrong name] or something who profile got hacked and whoever hacked processed to scam quit on it in the past year if I recall correctly,

Anyway Still thinking and gather my opinion on this suggestion...


Edit: user was snow patrol
Snow Partol's scams

 

[Assassin]

I’ve seen some honest attempts from people to get it since but they have all resulted in failure and I’m un sure why. I am also unsure what you consider someone worthy of this role? What is determined worthy? What’s described as needed to become OMM aka the proofs or does it go beyond that and entail other things that determine whether you get accepted. I’m sure there is some favoritism involved and there are other legit reasons like previous bans etc. Maybe some clarification would be cool.

I agree that the process weeds out people with bad intentions, but I can see it going further to ensure this by raising the requirements just a tad and I can see previous people that were denied receiving the role based on sheer trust.

 

[Lorenzo]

I didn't bother reading through everything but here is what I will say. I support some of it. There is no reason to make the amounts more it won't change anything because at the end of the day if they don't think that the user is trustworthy enough they won't achieve the rank. So changing the amounts doesn't do anything. Secondly in terms of removing rank from super inactive people that part I do agree with.

 

[Pegasus]

1. Have no idea what you are suggesting here.

2. There already is activity requirements set by the HMM and if they are not met the OMM is demoted. I don't think I can give those requirments away as they are located in a private forum but maybe ask Shin.

3. The process is already difficult enough. People constantly use websites instead of peer to peer trading and the process weeds out people with bad intentions or people who should not recieve the rank yet.




There are already activity requirments for omms and they are removed if they dont meet these requirments. What are you talking about?



This rank takes time and dedication to get, just because somebody is a moderator does not mean they have good trading practices and knowledge.

If you get extremely demotivated then maybe the rank is not right for you. This is coming from an omm that took 4 applications to be accepted


[Sweatshop, post: 38348364, member: 970603"]No support. As far as I'm aware there is no sythe backing for Official Middleman, so in the event of a scamquit, the victim(s) are not compensated.

Find me somebody with omm rank who has scam quit within the last two years[/QUOTE]

Champ was denied.. lol
I’d understand anyone being denied, but Champ? Legit made no sense to me, but yeah. Perhaps the rank was indeed not for me

 

[Tyler]

if I recall correctly, Wasn't a scam quit but there was a user who was an omm name [Removed because may be the wrong name] or something who profile got hacked and whoever hacked processed to scam quit on it in the past year if I recall correctly,

Anyway Still thinking and gather my opinion on this suggestion...


Edit: user was snow patrol
Snow Partol's scams

OMMs are now required to have 2fa. Thus preventing this in future

 

[Assassin]

I didn't bother reading through everything but here is what I will say. I support some of it. There is no reason to make the amounts more it won't change anything because at the end of the day if they don't think that the user is trustworthy enough they won't achieve the rank. So changing the amounts doesn't do anything. Secondly in terms of removing rank from super inactive people that part I do agree with.

Only reason I say make it higher is 500 isn’t a lot of money in my opinion to deserve a special Sythe sponsored trust rank. I want the rank to be prestigious more than it is and harder to get along with being fair to everyone @Lorenzo

 

[Lorenzo]

There have been people who have been trusted with literally 1000's of dollars and still haven't gotten the rank that's why I say changing the amount won't change who gets the rank and who doesn't.

 

[Hope]

I've learned a lot about OMM's so I will go with no support. I personally don't see any issues with how it is currently and quite honestly, I am quite happy with how many OMM's we already have.

Even with me having my own OMM app up and seeing past applicants denied, I know that it isn't something that will be easily obtained and I don't see any reason to rush to get anymore. I also do not see how increasing trade values would really do anything at all. Sure you can argue it means you haven't scammed X amount but in reality, it doesn't really change much if anything at all. I do believe that bias should be used in this process and firmly stand behind it. We aren't in a desperate need for more OMM's. Very much like you have said, there are people that ONLY use OMM's with me being one of them. What we do need is for newcomers to start using the MM process more instead of going first to randoms. That isn't the fault of the current system that is in place.

Something that @Sythe himself said that fits quite perfectly with my point is:
"All we can do is give people tools and show them how to use them, if they still can't figure it out sucks to be them"

If someone is dedicated towards getting the rank, they won't care about how many times they were denied. Because you are given a pointer in the right direction so you can better yourself and do better next time you apply. If someone wants OMM then they just have to show they are consistent with what they do. No need to change anything in regards to this in my personal opinion.

 

[Assassin]

There have been people who have been trusted with literally 1000's of dollars and still haven't gotten the rank that's why I say changing the amount won't change who gets the rank and who doesn't.

Yeah man that’s my whole point. Increase it BUT actually accept new people that pass the requirements legitly, instead of deny everyone like champ and wortel and others. I agree with you 100% tho

 

[BMF Jay Hill]

i support. I think OMM could use a rework. And IMO the OMM should all just have the same flat fee's across the board. I understand time is money, but if your truly wanting to help the community and you get OMM, then you shouldn't care to make a killing. Lower fees from OMM would be nice to see.