[APPROVED]Remove the update about the vouching / bumping system

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Here some data:
►►► Www.BoglaGold.com ~AUTOMATED PRICE BEATER - 24/7/365 ~COUPON CODE INSIDE [+1M Bonus FREE]! ~ ◄◄◄

not perfect numbers or anything but it shows

On phone atm, unsure what this thread is meant to convey (aside the obv vouch posts)?

Im talking about actual quantitative/qualitative data pertaining to user signup up and retention rates, that likely only @Sythe or @Matthew would have access to.

A base set of data could potentially be manipulated and extrapolated to give us some indication of what the true narrative is. Then again, depends on the data and what is available. Im sure we could find some correlation, even if no causation.

 

Here some data:
►►► Www.BoglaGold.com ~AUTOMATED PRICE BEATER - 24/7/365 ~COUPON CODE INSIDE [+1M Bonus FREE]! ~ ◄◄◄

not perfect numbers or anything but it shows

Almost a full page of users who only vouched on the sales threads. And didn't do anything else on the forum, ever.. Interesting ....

 

On phone atm, unsure what this thread is meant to convey (aside the obv vouch posts)?

Im talking about actual quantitative/qualitative data pertaining to user signup up and retention rates, that likely only @Sythe or @Matthew would have access to.

A base set of data could potentially be manipulated and extrapolated to give us some indication of what the true narrative is. Then again, depends on the data and what is available. Im sure we could find some correlation, even if no causation.

I didn't say it was perfect,

Here some data:
►►► Www.BoglaGold.com ~AUTOMATED PRICE BEATER - 24/7/365 ~COUPON CODE INSIDE [+1M Bonus FREE]! ~ ◄◄◄

not perfect numbers or anything but it shows

I said it was basic data to show essentially, weather it 100% accurate or not is something else.

despite it even if we had this data it would take year or 2 for us have realistic or even accurate data to see if it had any effect.

Almost a full page of users who only vouched on the sales threads. And didn't do anything else on the forum, ever.. Interesting ....

It is quite interesting, but at the end of the day, it is still exposing them to the forum, whether 1/50 or 1/100 actually stays, it still beneficial.

 

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I said it was basic data to show essentially, weather it 100% accurate or not is something else.

despite it even if we had this data it would take year or 2 for us have realistic or even accurate data to see if it had any effect.

This isn't data though? We all know (and have known for years), and can see, that people sign up to solely post vouches on said threads...thus the recent rule change.

I think you're misunderstanding what we/I am saying. I'm not saying we look at the data for members since this new rule change, nor am I limiting said data to any particular benchmark or category. What I am saying is, we need to assess overall what reels traffic results, and we have 14 years worth of that data.

NB; we can also conduct a regression analysis on the current data (since said new rule change), to ascertain any relative variables.

However, I highly doubt said data will be publicly disclosed.

 

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Reduced bump timers & sandbox updates are great, but the rest of this update is a joke. Are you seriously saying that if someone posts on the wrong thread, which happens often regardless of if / where you tell them to post, the will just be deleted and they will be infracted? What kind of bullshit is that?

Would you seriously use Sythe if all you saw was "bump" and when you make your very first, clearly well intended post you get a message from a mod telling you to go read the rules?

Nobody likes over-modded communities, and between this change (which indirectly bans negative reviews) & the RaS changes where you aren't even allowed to help people with reports anymore there's clearly no reason to give a shit about trading properly and caring about the newer users.

What has changed since a year ago that makes this change worthwhile?

Also what the fuck is this? Do I really have to stare at Sythe 24/7 in case someone posts in the wrong spot? What if I'm busy or on mobile etc and don't have the time to report a bunch of posts, just having long enough to check DM's? Notifications don't even go through properly.

I expected the suggestion to be implemented in this manner: there would be a limit on how often a thread could be bumped regardless of the posts made on it i.e. 10 people reply to a thread in a X hour period (where X is the bump limit), but only the first post bumps the thread unless Sythe gold/some other perk is used to bump the thread. The way the suggestion was implemented requires too much micromanagement from users and mods.

 

I expected the suggestion to be implemented in this manner: there would be a limit on how often a thread could be bumped regardless of the posts made on it i.e. 10 people reply to a thread in a X hour period (where X is the bump limit), but only the first post bumps the thread unless Sythe gold/some other perk is used to bump the thread. The way the suggestion was implemented requires too much micromanagement from users and mods.

More limitations on a free market.

 

This isn't data though? We all know (and have known for years), and can see, that people sign up to solely post vouches on said threads...thus the recent rule change.

I think you're misunderstanding what we/I am saying. I'm not saying we look at the data for members since this new rule change, nor am I limiting said data to any particular benchmark or category. What I am saying is, we need to assess overall what reels traffic results, and we have 14 years worth of that data.

NB; we can also conduct a regression analysis on the current data (since said new rule change), to ascertain any relative variables.

However, I highly doubt said data will be publicly disclosed.

Bro Just click on the users of each vouch then click on "information" then
"Find all content by "x user"" then you will find how some of them end up buying firecapes, quests, gold or anything from some other users.

For example, this guy bought gold from like 5 different users, swapped gold a few times, bought skilling services and questing services and again people in this thread wants to claim that the vouch/bonus gold doesn't work at all.

Also, I think that if they don't stay more time is because they don't even know about how the forum works if newcomers receive more information about the fact that they can find more things related to Runescape they would stay more.

 

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Bro Just click on the users of each vouch then click on "information" then
"Find all content by "x user"" then you will find how some of them end up buying firecapes, quests, gold or anything from some other users.

I know how to navigate a users profile, thanks.

You need to understand that, a sample size of 1, 100, or even 1000, is not a reliable indicator to any extent, without any benchmark, context, or comparable element.

Our aim is to deduce what results in site traffic, what results in user retention, and most importantly, a cost-benefit analysis, which determines the most efficient method.

I mean, it's evident some users stay after vouching, defs not arguing that - but there are many other variables to consider.

Anyway, im likely overcomplicating this. Im indifferent towards this vouch-bump issue, but think that before any new decision is reached, all perspectives should be considered.

 

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Discussing with @Sythe, we will permit vouches to be used as bumps once every 4 hours. Your thread may still only be bumped once every 4 hours whether by you, an autobumper, or a vouch. This is the only change we will be making to the new rule