Anyone else think the vouch system is broken?

[Kabal]

Ok I think vouching is a good way to earn trust and determine who is trustworthy but not all the time.

Lets take for example a 50m gold trade:

Person A sells person B 50m

Person A goes first and trade goes smoothly

Both players proceed to vouch each other


Now my problem with this is that only Person B truly deserves a vouch. He was being trusted with 50m that he could of potentially scammed. Person A at no point in time was being trusted with anything.


What are your thoughts on this?

 

[PieAndChips]

But person A had to trust Player B with a large sum of cash knowing there is a potential of being scammed. I think that should deserve a vouch aswell.

 

[Kabal]

But person A had to trust Player B with a large sum of cash knowing there is a potential of being scammed. I think that should deserve a vouch aswell.

Exactly my point. Person A had to trust person B and so person B deserves the vouch

 

[shortperson]

but person A still had to take the risk plus hes the one who sold it i think the seller should more get the vouch anyways because hes selling stuff on the market and had a good trade

 

[Kabal]

At the very least vouches need to be more specific. Simply saying "vouch" isn;t enough. Nor is "vouch for xxx did 50m trade"
That is way too misleading, at least imo

 

[euro-case]

For me vouches arent really reliable. Lets take a look:

Person A has 50 vouches. Most of his vouches are for small services, like 20fishing lvl. He handled like 200$ in cash.

Person B has 50 vouches. Most of his vouches are for selling gold/money/accounts. He handled like 2000$.

Now, most sythe users dont look what kind of vouches buyer/seller has, im not saying all ppl do that. Imo vouches should be divided (if its even possible) into 3 groups. Smth like: small vouches / middle / big < its just example.

 

[Kabal]

For me vouches arent really reliable. Lets take a look:

Person A has 50 vouches. Most of his vouches are for small services, like 20fishing lvl. He handled like 200$ in cash.

Person B has 50 vouches. Most of his vouches are for selling gold/money/accounts. He handled like 2000$.

Now, most sythe users dont look what kind of vouches buyer/seller has, im not saying all ppl do that. Imo vouches should be divided (if its even possible) into 3 groups. Smth like: small vouches / middle / big < its just example.

Agreed. A feedback system similar to Ebay would be nice where you leave positive or negative and state the reason why

 

[SLiZZaRD]

Note that you don't to vouch for trades, I think Person B deserves it more but how else will person A build up trust.
I don't think the vouch system is broken but generally needs to be revised, maybe leave the details of who goes first undisclosed. It shows that the player is involved within the Sythe Marketplace.

Take this for example, both accounts have a large amount of vouches to there name, over 1k for example. You could say the player to go first and to go second is redundant as they are both equally highly trusted, the chances of an unfair trade between the two is low, so lets say the chances of getting scammed is 0% for a trade <5$ between the two. Are you saying that only one person deserves the vouch and the other doesn't? Or would you say both of the vouches don't count as your definition of a valuable vouch is when there is a risk of being scammed.

I think people need to review the nature of another's vouches before trading with them.

 

[CodyToquinto]

Meh there's A lot bigger issues then the vouche system that need to be worked out IMO. But i do somewhat agree it has its flaws.

 

[Kabal]

Also the $5 Donator title. Seriously $5 is nothing and yet people try to use it as a means of gaining trust

Just saw this thread for example http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1005323

I'm not saying the guy isn't legit but he is boasting a $5 donator title as if it is a symbol of trust.

Idk guys I just think things need to be re-evaluated

 

[Tiemen]

How would new users ever be able to climb up the trust-ladder if your suggestion was implemented?

People with many vouches would get more, new users wouldnt get any and wouldn't be able to become trusted.

Therefore i don't support.

 

[Cadillac CTS]

At the very least vouches need to be more specific. Simply saying "vouch" isn;t enough. Nor is "vouch for xxx did 50m trade"
That is way too misleading, at least imo

Look at your signature... its EXACTLY what you just said "Isn;t enough" ... little hypocritical I would say..

Several other forums have switched to iTrader, which I have to say is a very nice system, and it would be a good improvement for Sythe to add it, but then people ONLY look at the iTrader Rep which of course everyone will start at 0 and the vouches really become worthless at that point.

 

[Cadillac CTS]

Also the $5 Donator title. Seriously $5 is nothing and yet people try to use it as a means of gaining trust

Just saw this thread for example http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1005323

I'm not saying the guy isn't legit but he is boasting a $5 donator title as if it is a symbol of trust.

Idk guys I just think things need to be re-evaluated

Becoming a donator of sythe is not for the fact of "Gaining trust" it is to show that you are indeed supportive of the community enough so that you are willing to pay your own money, in return you get the reputation and respect of being a donator, whether or not people decided to proclaim that as a sign of trust or not is really up to the person doing it. It all boils down to, the buyer having enough mutual respect and trust for the seller, and this goes vice versa.

 

[Kabal]

Look at your signature... its EXACTLY what you just said "Isn;t enough" ... little hypocritical I would say..

Several other forums have switched to iTrader, which I have to say is a very nice system, and it would be a good improvement for Sythe to add it, but then people ONLY look at the iTrader Rep which of course everyone will start at 0 and the vouches really become worthless at that point.

That quote is years old and I can't exactly tell someone what to write when they vouch me. But that's what I mean, vouches need to be more descriptive

Becoming a donator of sythe is not for the fact of "Gaining trust" it is to show that you are indeed supportive of the community enough so that you are willing to pay your own money, in return you get the reputation and respect of being a donator, whether or not people decided to proclaim that as a sign of trust or not is really up to the person doing it. It all boils down to, the buyer having enough mutual respect and trust for the seller, and this goes vice versa.

$5 is nothing and has nothing to do with being a supportive member of the community if you are a scammer. See most of you think scammers are people with 5 post count who make threads saying selling 400m 50/50.

The truth is anyone can be a convincing scammer based on the current system.
After 1 week you can:
Have 500+ post count
$5 donator title
Have 10+ vouches of high value mill trades where you went first to trusted people

Now that person looks legit after 1 week here and could easily scam hundreds of mills from people who take things like vouches and titles at face value

 

[Plznate]

A vouch is never required to be exchanged by either person in a trade, whether they do so is entirely at their discretion...

 

[video]

There is something to be said for the simple fact that both people were able to carry out a successful trade. Also, person B is now seen as a legit buyer. I myself screen new customers for their vouches, etc. and if I see that they bought gold from someone else before, I'm more likely to trust them

 

[Classics]

Vouches mean nothing it's up to the person to decide if the person is trusted or not.

And why doesn't the buyer deserve a vouch when he's displaying good trading habits? Vouches to me are more or less a record of my trades.

 

[FireZ]

I'm not sure whats being suggested here but whatever it is it is denied. Vouches are nothing more then a trading record of that person and they can be given at each traders direction.