American Sniper

[FireZ]

Movie was great 99/100

Kyle is a hero

 

Propaganda film that appeals to peoples patriotism. Not only is the guy a fucking scumbag but what he was doing certainly wasn't to "protect our freedom."

 

[Audi]

the USA has been like this for so long that it's nothing new 'merica

 

[Sanctuary]

Propaganda film that appeals to peoples patriotism. Not only is the guy a fucking scumbag but what he was doing certainly wasn't to "protect our freedom."

You've done nothing for our country and judging by your posts you never will. You have the right to say what you say though because of "fucking scumbags" who do the dirty work for you.

Fuck yourself.

 

Debating is meant to be friendly, why can't have this on forums without attacking the persons it's fallacious.

Try and think about your opinions & why you have them, I'm legitimately interested

 

You've done nothing for our country and judging by your posts you never will. You have the right to say what you say though because of "fucking scumbags" who do the dirty work for you.

Fuck yourself.

Right, because shooting up hundreds of brown people for freedom and murica'

Sorry if I don't celebrate someone who brags about killing hundreds, that's sick.

 

Right, because shooting up hundreds of brown people for freedom and murica'

Sorry if I don't celebrate someone who brags about killing hundreds, that's sick.

He don't brag. When you're great, others talk about you. You don't need to talk about yourself. That's Chris Kyle for ya.

We don't celebrate the killings, we celebrate the services he did. He did 4 tours in Iraq (I believe). That is a huge number for a soldier.

You're depiction of him is quite skewed and sad.

 

He don't brag. When you're great, others talk about you. You don't need to talk about yourself. That's Chris Kyle for ya.

He does, do a quick search and he's said some really fucked up stuff on record.

We don't celebrate the killings, we celebrate the services he did. He did 4 tours in Iraq (I believe). That is a huge number for a soldier.

I was referring to him specifically. Fighting an offensive war for special interests isn't a great service to anyone.

You're depiction of him is quite skewed and sad.

Not any more skewed than calling him a hero.

I'm going to back out of this thread, mostly because of Sanctuary's response. People react like you're insulting their religion/god which frankly is a bit disturbing to me. The second a discussion regresses to "Fuck you" I'm pretty much out.

 

[FireZ]

Offensive war?????

 

[Sanctuary]

I'm going to back out of this thread, mostly because of Sanctuary's response. People react like you're insulting their religion/god which frankly is a bit disturbing to me. The second a discussion regresses to "Fuck you" I'm pretty much out.

You're calling someone who I believe to be a fallen hero a "fucking scumbag", so yes, yes I do feel like you're insulting me. A man saved numerous American soldier's lives, on AND off the battlefield, and you're throwing him under the bus - that's the only disturbing thing here.

People act like you're going to act like a normal citizen after you've experienced combat. You have to cope with it somehow - usually it's making yourself believe whoever you have to fight is a monster. It's a coping mechanism.

 

[Xier0]

War is difficult to handle with grace. Morality wise, aside from looting, what cons outweigh his incredible heroism? There are plenty of war criminals, why judge this guy?

 

[Logic]

If you were a soldier Roary then you'd want someone like Chris Kyle with you. That's pretty much it. War is a nasty business and I would love if the US pulled their forced home worldwide. We are not safer as a result of the Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc war. Those wars have only created more enemies for us all. So yeah fk the culture that praises the killing of 255 people or however many he killed.

 

[Apith]

I'm talking about the real guy. Not the movie character.

I think this is the real problem, the movie and the word going around is this guy is a hero and everyone should look up to him. I'm wondering how many who are posting here knows the real stories, not basing it off a movie that's made to make him look good. Now one of the many things the people in the US is being fooled by is the media, and this movie is a great example of them being able to show half of the story and convince their citizens of what they want.

Large image of an example:
http://puu.sh/eUbsf/1920e09094.jpg

He's a bit of a hero, if you believe the US policing the world is fine, but he's also a bit of a psycho from what I've seen. Americans and soldiers believe what soldiers do is correct which is why they are automatically respected when they get back. Thing is those people don't know what the soldiers really did, aside from put their lives on the line for their country. People go on about they do it for their country, but is it really necessary? You see dozens of other countries, that have the ability, not police the world and are fine.

People throws the word how they protect the country, did they not realize Iraq didn't even have nukes which was the reason Iraq being invaded? All that's happened is a war with casualties on both ends in the 6 digits. Now I'm all for soldiers protecting their country, but they/you don't know if they are protecting the country or doing the government's deceitful bidding. Why do you not see soldiers from different country "protecting" their country the way US does?

There's 2 sides to every story. I was born and raised in the Middle East, I came to realize how some Arabs hates Americans, and I know how some Americans hate Arabs. I never have had anything against Americans, or any country for the matter, but when I was young I never understood why some Arabs really hated Americans until recently. My point is they have their side of the story, and you have yours. Neither of you have heard or considered each other's sides. Can you guys please stop with the "he protected our country". Because I'm sure you can find someone in Iraq that would say otherwise.

The focus here is on top of doing what he believed was correct, he did a lot of bad things as well. Then there's the comparison of "he did enough good to outweigh the bad". Doing good things doesn't mean it's fine if you did bad things as long as good outweighs the bad. He put his life on the line, did what he was told, and probably took out a lot of bad guys. He also went ahead and did bad things which is why I said earlier a bit of a hero, depending on how you see it, but also a bit of a psycho.

I'd gladly take 1,000,000,000,000 of him in our military.

What about the hatred for all Iraqi's and killing being fun and looting Iraqi homes?

Well by that logic, Bartons, Iraq would be completely deserted and probably any other country they were stationed in.

 

[aiids]

Everyone is going to have their opinion on Chris Kyle and the movie honestly but that's what it is, an opinion.

In my opinion Chris Kyle is an American Hero for what he did. Yea he killed a lot of Iraqi's and others over there but he saved countless lives while on over-watch to protect the Army/Marines who where going door to door. He's an inspiration to me honestly.. I had been wanting to be a SEAL since I was 5 years old, no clue why or what sparked my interest its just always been there. Seeing the movie American Sniper and reading the book has sparked my interest again and I plan on starting to make my way to that goal.

Honestly if everyone of my friends or family hate me or support me I don't care, in the end i'm doing what I want to do and how much that means to me.

 

There's nothing pretty or glamorous about war. The men that participate aren't going to sugar coat the things they hate or see.

 

[Xolr]

Multiple choice question:

Uganda has 4 apples. America wants those 4 apples. How many apples does Uganda have?

A. No apples.
B. All of the above.

Even living in America is kind of depressing when you start to see how things work in the chains.

I'd also like to note that the when people dig into movies like this they will usually find that the movie isn't really what happend. Woah, who'd have thunk it. It's a movie, fiction, no matter who or what events it's based off of.

It will support patriotism, it's healthy for individuals and not so healthy for the other side of the pool, see above joke. There's nothing that can be done about it, human nature at its finest. No forum post, discussion, lawsuit or war will solve it. It can only be intriguing.

 

[FireZ]

People throws the word how they protect the country, did they not realize Iraq didn't even have nukes which was the reason Iraq being invaded?

They went in for WMD's, not nukes to begin with. Also they found over 5,000. Report only bothered to come out a few months ago though proving Bush was right that Iraq had wmd's and he was right for invading.

 

http://www.bookforum.com/inprint/019_02/9467

Rag heads is a racist slur. Just so yano.

You don't automatically ge respect for being a soldier or serving the forces, fuck that. You get respect from being a good one with morals and sensibility.

Yea, one must shoot to kill an opposing force that may kill you first. But Kyle murdered women, children and opposing forces then looted their homes because it was fun to him and he hated Iraqi's. All can be googled/read in the book.

People are so quick to justify what any military personnel does just because they're blinded by sheep-like patriotism.

Took the words right out of my mouth. It's sad to see how the american government and media enslaves it's population by means of brainwashing. Just think about it...
How are you going to start a war on terror to try and justify the deaths of the 2,996 people who died in 9/11 and then go and kill more than 133,000 civilians in Iraq?

 

[Xier0]

Took the words right out of my mouth. It's sad to see how the american government and media enslaves it's population by means of brainwashing. Just think about it...
How are you going to start a war on terror to try and justify the deaths of the 2,996 people who died in 9/11 and then go and kill more than 133,000 civilians in Iraq?

Death count doesn't determine the morality of war.

 

[Apith]

They went in for WMD's, not nukes to begin with. Also they found over 5,000. Report only bothered to come out a few months ago though proving Bush was right that Iraq had wmd's and he was right for invading.

Right, my bad on that part. I did not know this and surprised it slipped me. It's arguable that they're even WMD's though.

Assuming the mantle of self-righteousness, the NYT article goes on to slam the Bush administration for withholding the dangerous-but-not-W.M.D. chemical weapons finds from Congress, and covering it up, lest anyone find out that some of them were made by western (even American) companies in the 1980’s Iran-Iraq war (in which we supported Iraq). And now, the dangerous but militarily insignificant devices could pose a threat in the hands of—you guessed it—Daesh*

It does make sense if you remember or have done some reading on that war. I'm going based on memory and not going to read into that again.

Reached recently, [Charles A. Duelfer, a former United Nations official working for the Central Intelligence Agency] agreed that the weapons were still a menace, but said the report strove to make it clear that they were not “a secret cache of weapons of mass destruction.”

“What I was trying to convey is that these were not militarily significant because they not used as W.M.D.,” he said. “It wasn’t that they weren’t dangerous.”

My point can now be seen as for over a decade the public knew nothing of this, but for over a decade America has continued in different countries and some of their people supported it regardless of the news of no WMDs were found. Basically their media has a really strong role on swaying their citizen's opinions. People in this thread are using sentences that are opinionated, where there are also others that believe otherwise when neither possess actual proof either than what the media has told them to think because it benefits their countries in a positive manner.