American Sniper

Why are silly patriots so enthralled by not only the movie but the real life soldier that the film was based on?

The guy it's based on was an absolute nut.

> Boasts about killing some 255 people
> Describes killing as fun
> Says everyone he shot was bad
> Quote of his: "I hate the damn savages". And "I couldn't give a flying fuck about Iraqi's".
> Boasted about looting the appartments in Iraq. "rummaging through the complex to see if I could find any cool shit—money, guns, explosives. The only thing I found worth acquisitioning was a handheld Tiger Woods game.”


So how do you feel the movie depicted Chris Kyle? American hero or American psycho?

 

[Emperor Nero]

Carlos Hathcock was a more accomplished sniper. Just sayin'.

 

Do you have links or podcasts to him saying that?

He's a soldier, that automatically gains respect. He does what millions won't do and protect our country. USA USA USA.

You're only depicting the nasty side of him. He went to the local VA to help other soldiers that were struggling, he was all about his men on the battlefield, he did anything he could to protect them.

Yeah he might've been harsh, but it's because he saw what the Iraqi's/Afghani's/whatever else were doing to their people, and how they were executing our own to prove something. Of course he's going to hate them and say shit like that. He's not going to be all happy happy joy joy towards some rag heads.

 

http://www.bookforum.com/inprint/019_02/9467

Rag heads is a racist slur. Just so yano.

You don't automatically ge respect for being a soldier or serving the forces, fuck that. You get respect from being a good one with morals and sensibility.

Yea, one must shoot to kill an opposing force that may kill you first. But Kyle murdered women, children and opposing forces then looted their homes because it was fun to him and he hated Iraqi's. All can be googled/read in the book.

People are so quick to justify what any military personnel does just because they're blinded by sheep-like patriotism.

 

http://www.bookforum.com/inprint/019_02/9467

Rag heads is a racist slur. Just so yano.

You don't automatically ge respect for being a soldier or serving the forces, fuck that. You get respect from being a good one with morals and sensibility.

Yea, one must shoot to kill an opposing force that may kill you first. But Kyle murdered women, children and opposing forces then looted their homes because it was fun to him and he hated Iraqi's.

Wtf?

He shot to protect. In the movie he had to shoot a kid and mother cause the Iraqi's would throw innocent woman in children into the battlefield to shoot an RPG at a tank or throw some sort of grenade.

I know rag head is a racist slur.

Aren't you from the UK? It's different here in the US. Soldiers are looked up to and taken care of.

 

[Sanctuary]

Carlos Hathcock was a more accomplished sniper. Just sayin'.

Father of the Marine Corps sniper program. I heard some cool stories about him in basic. Moving 1 mile in 3 days to kill his target & shooting another sniper in the eye (through the scope of his rifle).

As far as Chris Kyle, after going through what he went through and seeing what he saw, saying, "I hate the damn savages" is pretty mild. Especially considering what they did to captured American soldiers. I think people need to shut up with the politically correct bullshit and realize that it's a nasty job and we need -someone- to do it. Don't complain if they're not necessarily perfect. He saved countless American lives on and off the battlefield.

I think he's a hero, regardless of the imperfections.

 

Thinking about seeing it this movie, what would you rate it?

Also americans are pretty patriotic is a guess

 

Thinking about seeing it this movie, what would you rate it?

Also americans are pretty patriotic is a guess

9.9/10

 

The movie isn't 100% the real story. That's how movies work.

Don't be racist then.

I live in the UK, yes. We look after our servicemen and women here also. What we don't do is glamourise killing like it seems the US do. It's taken seriously and not pumped in to kids that these are all heroes you should be like and that killing is fun. The real Chris Kyle was one of these maniac patriots.

As far as Chris Kyle, after going through what he went through and seeing what he saw, saying, "I hate the damn savages" is pretty mild. Especially considering what they did to captured American soldiers. I think people need to shut up with the politically correct bullshit and realize that it's a nasty job and we need -someone- to do it. Don't complain if they're not necessarily perfect. He saved countless American lives on and off the battlefield.

What about the hatred for all Iraqi's and killing being fun and looting Iraqi homes?

Does your good outweigh your crimes? If that's the case many prisons would be a lot less crowded.

 

[Sanctuary]

The movie isn't 100% the real story. That's how movies work.

Don't be racist then.

I live in the UK, yes. We look after our servicemen and women here also. What we don't do is glamourise killing like it seems the US do. It's taken seriously and not pumped in to kids that these are all heroes you should be like and that killing is fun. The real Chris Kyle was one of these maniac patriots.

At what point in the movie did they put across the message that killing is fun? I'm not sure you've watched the whole movie, Roary.

 

[X Jeremy]

Why are silly patriots so enthralled by not only the movie but the real life soldier that the film was based on?

The guy it's based on was an absolute nut.

> Boasts about killing some 255 people
> Describes killing as fun
> Says everyone he shot was bad
> Quote of his: "I hate the damn savages". And "I couldn't give a flying fuck about Iraqi's".
> Boasted about looting the appartments in Iraq. "rummaging through the complex to see if I could find any cool shit—money, guns, explosives. The only thing I found worth acquisitioning was a handheld Tiger Woods game.”


So how do you feel the movie depicted Chris Kyle? American hero or American psycho?

Hero, reason being? It's either them or us, point blank. You don't think other people have had to do some fucked up shit there too? They've tortured and killed Americans and other people within their country for years and just because they don't think correctly, it's either their way or death. If you don't think for one second some people don't have regret for killing women and children, you're dead wrong. If a woman, or a child, was about to get ready to murder your friends and family wouldn't you stop them? He's not a psycho, he was doing his job.

 

At what point in the movie did they put across the message that killing is fun? I'm not sure you've watched the whole movie, Roary.

I clearly said the "guy the movie was based on" and not content of said movie.

The film celebrates what he did without giving the full picture. People see him has a hero IRL, when he was far from in my eyes.

Hero, reason being? It's either them or us, point blank. You don't think other people have had to do some fucked up shit there too? They've tortured and killed Americans and other people within their country for years and just because they don't think correctly, it's either their way or death. If you don't think for one second some people don't have regret for killing women and children, you're dead wrong. If a woman, or a child, was about to get ready to murder your friends and family wouldn't you stop them? He's not a psycho, he was doing his job.

His job is to loot houses and commit the same wrongs as the guys he's killing?

There are a lot of truths he's spoken about and that're in the book that show it wasn't always life or death. You're one of the ones blinded by patriotism.

 

I clearly said the "guy the movie was based on" and not content of said movie.

The film celebrates what he did without giving the full picture. People see him has a hero IRL, when he was far from in my eyes.

You can't give even 5% of a full picture in a military related movie. The film celebrates a man who was patriotic and did anything to protect his country. I'd gladly take 1,000,000,000,000 of him in our military. I'd be proud to have him as a father, brother, uncle, anything.

Like you said, it's a movie. And I will say the same thing to you...it's a movie. They buff it up and down in several portions of the movie.

I assume you've seen the movie if you made this thread. What do you call him? Do you not realize that the job of a sniper is to pick off those that are a threat to his squad? To oversee the battlefield and assist.

Come on Roary.

Edit: Sorry for saying "Rag heads". I'm not racist, just don't like groups that pose threats to my country and those that protect it. Not associating them all with that term.

 

[Tyler]

I liked the how the movie played it out. I also don't view it as propaganda as some media has said it is.


In some parts it glorifies war sure. But it also shows the downside and aftermath of war and that's important to take into consideration aswell.

I think the movie was a good watch and played out really well. I honestly don't care about the story behind it.

 

I'm talking about the real guy. Not the movie character.

 

[X Jeremy]

So he's tortured and murdered women and children? He's chopped them up, cut their heads off and filmed it for his own enjoyment? He's wanted ransom money for their people?


Never did I once say that looting was justifiable now did I? Stop trying to act like i'm the one blinded by patriotism when you're the one putting words into other people's mouth. Get your facts straight first please.

 

"Hes not a psycho, he was just doing his job"

Is your rebuttal to those things, I assumed at least.

 

[esWebos]

Why are silly patriots so enthralled by not only the movie but the real life soldier that the film was based on?

The guy it's based on was an absolute nut.

> Boasts about killing some 255 people
> Describes killing as fun
> Says everyone he shot was bad
> Quote of his: "I hate the damn savages". And "I couldn't give a flying fuck about Iraqi's".
> Boasted about looting the appartments in Iraq. "rummaging through the complex to see if I could find any cool shit—money, guns, explosives. The only thing I found worth acquisitioning was a handheld Tiger Woods game.”


So how do you feel the movie depicted Chris Kyle? American hero or American psycho?

You're out of context.

 

[Sanctuary]

What about the hatred for all Iraqi's and killing being fun and looting Iraqi homes?

Does your good outweigh your crimes? If that's the case many prisons would be a lot less crowded.

If you watched a certain people group murder, mutilate and blow up your friends I'd bet you money that you'd grow a hatred towards them. No matter how much you're told, "oh it's not all of them" you're going to believe what you see. You've never experienced anything even remotely close to what he did, so until you have I don't think it's fair to judge him.

I read a little bit of the link you posted and I didn't see him say it was fun, but that it wasn't hard after his first kill. Either way, if you believe you're going to be an emotionally rational person after going through that you're crazy. But, the fact that he became a severe alcoholic and went through serious depression would say, in my mind, that it wasn't as easy as he might've said it was.

Can't comment on the home looting, but yes, saving God knows how many American lives definitely outweighs him stealing a little video game and having a hatred towards them.

I clearly said the "guy the movie was based on" and not content of said movie.

The film celebrates what he did without giving the full picture. People see him has a hero IRL, when he was far from in my eyes.

Well the thread is clearly titled, "American Sniper" and not "Chris Kyle". I still don't believe it celebrates killing - if anything I think it depicts the mental and emotional damage being in that position can cause.

 

Elaborate @esWebos

Well the thread is clearly titled, "American Sniper" and not "Chris Kyle". I still don't believe it celebrates killing - if anything I think it depicts the mental and emotional damage being in that position can cause

What I was mainly aiming at was the way it portrayed Chris Kyle versus the real Chris Kyle and what people overall viewed him as. Who's to say I don't like him, I'm just arguing the opinion that he was a psycho rather than hero