Account merges to allow for earlier registration dates

[LoLAccounts]

As it stands currently, you are allowed more than one account at Sythe.org as long as they do not interact with each other.

I am suggesting that Sythe allows for merges to be made between accounts that are created and owned by one person, to allow for the earlier join date to overwrite the later one.

There are two major reasons this would be beneficial for someone

• - An earlier join date would increase the amount of marketing one person can do considering people usually trust those with an earlier registration date, as opposed to those with later ones -- thus expanding the possibilities of success
• - An earlier join date would allow for people to surpass current restrictions such as changing ones name, both minor and major, as well as an increased feeling of belonging as they would now be properly recognized for when they chose to join Sythe

An early join date is something people respect, and long to have. Because Sythe is such a big market, allowing for this would make give its users a more welcoming environment as they would not be shunned for being seen as a new user when in fact, they registered years earlier. Some even earlier than those who berate them.

I understand that by allowing this, people could essentially try to cheat their way to an earlier join date by maliciously acquiring an old Sythe account and pretending to be its creator and owner. Therefore, I am petitioning that this only be done when certain requirements for the merge are met.

An example for the requirements would be the following

• - Both accounts were created in the same country and location, as well as on the same IP address and/or mac address.
• - Both accounts qualify for the aforementioned and have been in the use of one and one person only during its entire existence at Sythe.org
• - (potential requirement) Having donated x amount to Sythe.org(?)

An account merge would also only allow for the earliest join date to be applied to the account they wish to use. Post count, or anything else that exists on the account with the earlier join date would not apply, or count towards/be added to the progress on the current account.

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If there's anything you think I've missed, please let me know. Criticism accepted, constructive or not!

If you support this, please also leave a message with why you feel like this should be implemented, or why you shouldn't, if you don't support it.

P.S. For the sake of this thread, I've also added a poll to this thread so that people can better see the amount of up or down votes this suggestion gets.

 

[Shin]

I'd prefer people to create only one account so a merge isn't ever needed or requested.

 

[LoLAccounts]

I'd prefer people to create only one account so a merge isn't ever needed or requested.

Well, my argument would be that not being able to take use of your earlier join date, could potentially deter people from using the Site because they feel entitled to their earlier one and are sometimes shunned for having a later one. But I still think it should be allowed, mainly because join dates seem to play such a big part when people decide who to deal with in the market.

Since Sythe is so heavily influenced and oriented around marketing, it would only seem logical to allow that, since it would allow for people to succeed at a far greater rate than normally.

 

In what case would this even be applicable, why would anyone have two accounts? The only way I'm seeing it is if you were to have your first account banned, vaded on your second and then wanted to have the join date of your first after being pardoned.

I'm just having a hard time in even seeing a situation in which this suggestion is possible, could you provide a few examples where someone would even have more than one account without them breaking the rules?

 

[Pain]

This sounds like a nightmare to implement and for admins to handle, no from me.

 

[LoLAccounts]

In what case would this even be applicable, why would anyone have two accounts? The only way I'm seeing it is if you were to have your first account banned, vaded on your second and then wanted to have the join date of your first after being pardoned.

I'm just having a hard time in even seeing a situation in which this suggestion is possible, could you provide a few examples where someone would even have more than one account without them breaking the rules?

While I do agree with what you are saying, the pardon system is there to forgive and let go of past mistakes; to give people a fresh start.

I have an account with a registration date of 2011, which dates back three years to my current date. I also understand that you would now point out that "OP made this thread because he has a hidden agenda!", this is not the case. Whilst I would appreciate an earlier date -- that is not why I created this thread.

This market so heavily revolves around early join dates when it comes to picking who to trade and/or concur business relations with, because face it, people with earlier dates of registration have been around for longer, and are less likely to scam. Hence why they get more business. This suggestion was made to give those who registered earlier, left and then came back to have an opportunity to fully utilize the fact that they created their account several years back, although their current accounts do not reflect that. Whether they have pardoned or not in the past shouldn't matter. The system works in a way where it doesn't.

This sounds like a nightmare to implement and for admins to handle, no from me.

There is nothing that needs to be implemented for this to be done. There have been account merges in the past, and all that is required is for Richard to simply edit your account so it better conveys your actual date of registration at Sythe.org. I am also pretty sure Matthew can do this as well.

It would work in a similar manner to name changes, where you would simply just apply if you meet all the requirements.

 

While I do agree with what you are saying, the pardon system is there to forgive and let go of past mistakes; to give people a fresh start.

I have an account with a registration date of 2011, which dates back three years to my current date.

Then use that one instead? What is the point of merging accounts?

If you were pardoned, you should have pardoned for the older account if you wanted the older join date.

I also understand that you would now point out that "OP made this thread because he has a hidden agenda!", this is not the case. Whilst I would appreciate an earlier date -- that is not why I created this thread.

Seeing a problem in the site based on a personal experience is a perfectly valid reason to make a suggestion thread in hopes that rules are changed to help others etc.

The only thing is you really haven't come up with any cases in which this suggestion would even be applicable besides (I am assuming) your specific situation.

This market so heavily revolves around early join dates when it comes to picking who to trade and/or concur business relations with, because face it, people with earlier dates of registration have been around for longer, and are less likely to scam. Hence why they get more business. This suggestion was made to give those who registered earlier, left and then came back to have an opportunity to fully utilize the fact that they created their account several years back, although their current accounts do not reflect that. Whether they have pardoned or not in the past shouldn't matter. The system works in a way where it doesn't.

Why does this hypothetical person not just use their older account in the first place?

 

[LoLAccounts]

Then use that one instead? What is the point of merging accounts?

If you were pardoned, you should have pardoned for the older account if you wanted the older join date.



Seeing a problem in the site based on a personal experience is a perfectly valid reason to make a suggestion thread in hopes that rules are changed to help others etc.

The only thing is you really haven't come up with any cases in which this suggestion would even be applicable besides (I am assuming) your specific situation.


Why does this hypothetical person not just use their older account in the first place?

All of your points made here are thrown aside by one thing. Vouches.

Vouches are one of the mains reasons people won't leave for the older account.

 

[PRO]

Good to see you alive

@Realist meeember merging the accounts?

I like the idea, but I feel like we can't ask from mods/admins to do these type of things as it would be a rather time consuming and they already have a lot of work to do.

 

Join date is a false sense of security so it's a no from me.

 

Definitely no, old accounts used to be targetted by hackers to benefit with their join dates while scamming on their responsibility. It'd require way too much menagment.

 

[LoLAccounts]

Definitely no, old accounts used to be targetted by hackers to benefit with their join dates while scamming on their responsibility. It'd require way too much menagment.

I've already thought of this, and I've also already explained that requirements would be set in place to ensure this doesn't happen. Only people who can truly prove ownership can have a merge.

EDIT: You can't put the blame on the community for some users' poor security. That's just ignorant.

 

I've already thought of this, and I've also already explained that requirements would be set in place to ensure this doesn't happen. Only people who can truly prove ownership can have a merge.

EDIT: You can't put the blame on the community for some users' poor security. That's just ignorant.

so you can't blame the market for being "unfair" just because someone abandoned his previous account completely and has fresh join date

 

[LoLAccounts]

so you can't blame the market for being "unfair" just because someone abandoned his previous account completely and has fresh join date

If both accounts are created and owned by the same person, why should they be refrained from being able to have their oldest join date apply to their current account?

It doesn't change or affect the community in any negative way, other than encourage activity by allowing people to fully utilize their resources at Sythe.org. I really don't see why you're so against this.

Don't bet peoples' past choices affect their present.

 

If both accounts are created and owned by the same person, why should they be refrained from being able to have their oldest join date apply to their current account?

It doesn't change or affect the community in any negative way, other than encourage activity by allowing people to fully utilize their resources at Sythe.org. I really don't see why you're so against this.

Don't bet peoples' past choices affect their present.

Because their bad decissions in the past eg. name, abandoning old accounts shouldnt be admin's responsibility to fix it. They can just recover old account and be active on it, noone is forcing them to use the newest one.

 

All of your points made here are thrown aside by one thing. Vouches.

Vouches are one of the mains reasons people won't leave for the older account.

Can you please help me come up with more scenarios where this suggestion would be applicable? I'm only able to think of 2 and I don't support this suggestion for either of these scenarios. I keep asking you this and you keep replying as if you haven't read what I posted.

1.) Someone gets banned on their older account. They vade with a new account, pardon, and want all of the vouches of their new account with the join date of their second.

2.) Someone joins Sythe when they are young and use the site for a little bit. Somehow (I legit don't know how people can forget about this shit, I've seen it way too many times) they forgot they had an account on the site and make a new one a few years later and accumulate vouches, or neglected to use their old account for whatever reason. Now they want the best of both worlds with the vouches of the new account and the join date of the old.

In both of these cases, it's up to user negligence or scamming, both of which shouldn't make staff bend over backwards to accommodate by merging accounts.

 

[LoLAccounts]

Can you please help me come up with more scenarios where this suggestion would be applicable? I'm only able to think of 2 and I don't support this suggestion for either of these scenarios. I keep asking you this and you keep replying as if you haven't read what I posted.

1.) Someone gets banned on their older account. They vade with a new account, pardon, and want all of the vouches of their new account with the join date of their second.

2.) Someone joins Sythe when they are young and use the site for a little bit. Somehow (I legit don't know how people can forget about this shit, I've seen it way too many times) they forgot they had an account on the site and make a new one a few years later and accumulate vouches, or neglected to use their old account for whatever reason. Now they want the best of both worlds with the vouches of the new account and the join date of the old.

In both of these cases, it's up to user negligence or scamming, both of which shouldn't make staff bend over backwards to accommodate by merging accounts.

I don't know what you're asking me for. Both of these scenarios are the only ones that don't involve illegitimate ways of entering the process, e.g. attempting to use a hacked old account in order to retrieve its join date.

If you don't support it, that's fine. Let's end the discussion there.

 

I personally don't think it's fair that some users (one being myself) were given the option to have multiple accounts merged for whatever the case may be, whilst not having it available for others in similar or unique cases. I believe if a thorough investigation as far as proving ownership of whichever accounts brought up are validated, then that user should have those accounts merged. We should be aiming to improve the experience as well as quality for users on this site. If you even want to go further, you can make it a donor perk.

The stigma regarding join date/post count is old and is far from crucial as we're making it out to be. Scammers are scamming regardless of the day they join. I don't see the outcome of this being projected in the same light as others. If this is being done to get around the name change feature, it should be obvious to point out and should be negated, it's simple.

@Sythe

 

Support, I personally have an account from 2007 that I forgot I had. Made this & donated before I realised.

 

I personally would love this but feel it would be a pain in the ass on the backend... Therefore no support bigger issues that could be handled.