ABM dispute

[Mtee]

I was buying 87m 07 for btc from ABM

After payment was confirmed he then asked if it's me (I said yes because I got a trade offer giving 87m) He then declines and ABM says "nice joke"

He then sends a screenshot of the trade when someone had my username buy its Obviously different ( keep in mind I confirmed my username before he traded anyone)

Screenshot - 29864594627845120b91546a86f5496a - Gyazo

Screenshot - dbb639ec82d51a6b588695ac136eb9d9 - Gyazo

Screenshot - 53243252a1476bbaa9cd84c1fc336106 - Gyazo

 

For any staff looking at this,
This is being brought straight to the elephant man.

 

[Mtee]

@Gladiator

 

[Pendulum]

While this is being discussed, i've added a DNT to @Mtee for mass ban evasion

 

[Mtee]

I've already told gladiator this is why I dont use sythe on my home ip. Ask him @Pendulum

 

[Pendulum]

@ABM - He gave you an RSN and you traded the wrong one. You will need to cover the missing funds, however, the GP in question can go towards @Mtee's victims/previous scams.

 

@Sythe can you review this case?

The user confirmed it was him in the trade, if he didn't I wouldn't have accepted.

• The user never asked for MY rsn, he confirmed blindly which is his responsibility to confirm correctly when someone asks him if he in trade with them.
• The user could be the owner of the account there no way an account could have been made that quick that was level 3 and they're ready to do the trade with the exact same name. The account was clearly pre-made (it was level 3).
• The user had the choice to confirm whether or not it was him in the trade.
• Only me and him knew the location of the trade and to be more exact the amount being traded, no one else did and the rsn which were being traded which I asked him if it was him in trade and the value, which he replied yes.
• it's only my responsibility to make sure the person I am in a trade screen with confirms they are trading with me, which is what this idiot did. You see this screenshot here Screenshot - dbb639ec82d51a6b588695ac136eb9d9 - Gyazo

There multiple other issues with this staff decision, If anything this should either be case win for me or split the pot.

This is not about money value what so ever I actually have more sitting in my bond atm then this case is worth, so getting my self banned would result in more of loss then this case is worth but this is about principle, I shouldn't have to pay this out.

 

[Pendulum]

The user never asked for rsn, he confirmed blindly which is his responsibility to confirm correctly when someone asks him if he in trade with them.

He gave you an RSN to trade, you didn't trade the right RSN

The user could be the owner of the account there no way an account could have been made that quick that was level 3 and they're ready to do the trade with the exact same name. The account was clearly pre-made (it was level 3).

The account you traded was a level 3 with an offensive name mark on it. Meaning the name was removed by Jagex and you are prompted with a name change screen upon login (Explains how an account with a similar name is ready that quickly):

The user had the choice to confirm whether or not it was him in the trade.

This is how impostor/man in the middle scams work. Since he didn't have your name, he was traded by someone else who was there and shown GP (Likely more GP than was quoted because if it was less he would say something). You were given the information to confirm if it was him or not via the name he gave you to trade.

Only me and him knew the location of the trade, no one else did and the rsn which were being traded.

This is not exactly true, anyone can get a location from a gold seller pretty easy. Most gold sites have this exact issue where someone comes to the livechat and acts like they are selling/buying gold in order to get their account name and location to impersonate them.

There multiple other issues with this staff decision, If anything this should either be case won for me or split the pot.

This is also the second time this has happened with the exact same scenario but a completely different user.

A DNT has been added for the time being

 

I'll wait for Richard to review it but I will reply to some of your points.

He gave you an RSN to trade, you didn't trade the right RSN

I asked him to confirm he was in the trade which he was incapable of doing how is that my fault?

This is how impostor/man in the middle scams work. Since he didn't have your name, he was traded by someone else who was there and shown GP (Likely more GP than was quoted because if it was less he would say something). You were given the information to confirm if it was him or not via the name he gave you to trade.

It is a different case completely,
essentially with a pm or confirmation, you would confirm both user names and UID's with discord, in this case, there was only one side that was confirmed, which would result in the trade being the fault. The user still quoted and confirmed it was there no reason I should responsible if the user wasn't aware of both names and blindly confirmed from only seeing the value of the trade.

 

[video]

I'm holding the gp (btc) while this is resolved, the DNT has been removed

 

Some nice gentleman of sith.org also pm'd me this great point

• He says you put up 87m and declined , only way he would know that is if he was in the trade screen himself since the chat box only showed 1 trade being accepted there’s no possible way you declined and traded the “imposter” guy , he would never know you put up 87m if he wasn’t the person

 

[Mtee]

Is there anything you guys need on my end? I can give anymore information if I have any

@Pendulum I already told gladiator that the 'ban mass evasion' isn't me and that's why I use my cellular data for sythe because if not it was give me dnt or ban

 

Is there anything you guys need on my end? I can give anymore information if I have any

@Pendulum I already told gladiator that the 'ban mass evasion' isn't me and that's why I use my cellular data for sythe because if not it was give me dnt or ban

Yeah, nice,
Yet your RSN matches this one - 2 o's or zeros, Caliman909 with an ip match and your rsn matches here with minus two less 0 or zeros Caliman909 is a scammer and you account matches the on advertised here http://prntscr.com/no6vb0 / (15+ Vouches)($250+ traded)Selling High level Main [PP] [07 GP]

at least one good thing is you won't get money.

filthy dirty scammer.

 

[Mtee]

Didnt scam I don't know what you want me to tell you. Yes my username for many things is caliman909 but I'm not a scammer, ive been buying and selling gp for well over a month. Even if you accuse me as a scammer you still fked up by being a bad seller and not confirming your customers ign

 

I wasn't planning on posting on this anymore and will not be from this point on,

but someone generously offered to cover the money this report completely anonymously (as in I have no idea who it was) and despite me refusing the offer for various reasons, I would like to thank them for there very generous offer and let them know I highly appreciate it and it's nice to see someone in community trying to be so generous.

Edit: turned out he did send me it. basically, video asked me for my BTC before telling me about the situation and the guy just sent it straight away (this was before I start refusing it and then video explained the situation ) didn't even know he sent it till now when I checked after this talking to video on voice last night he said that guy sent which I didn't have clue about till I checked it today, turns whoever it was is a beast.

 

[Mtee]

That's great and it's nice to see someone being generous, p.s if anything updates please let me know

 

[Pendulum]

This has been discussed with Limon and he agrees with the ruling, the funds held here will go towards the community repayment fund as @Mtee's victim is banned.

@Mtee if you wish to continue using Sythe you will need to request a pardon.