9/11/01.. Government Set-Up?

[Feren Silver]

Do you think that 9/11 was a true terrorist attack against the U.S, or the government had something do with it?

My honest opinion is.. the government had something to do with it. They did it to get us into war. Watch the conspiracy videos, they really make you think.

I don't necessarily think that the US planned the attacks, but sure I can see your idea of something like Pearl Harbor where there were rumors of a looming attack, but no one acted. I don't really know... Is the US profiting off of this? I don't think so... (Recession... >_< ). But yeah, that's my view on it. It was a terrorist attack, but the US failed to act for a gain (In their own, twisted view I think).

 

Oh? So NIST agree that the US government blew up the twin towers too now, based on their hard empirical evidence? You've decided to turn into a "physicist", there's no point arguing with you further.

I gave up arguing with you ages ago.
Theres no thread of reasoned thought in your debate, so there isn't any point in talking to you. Effectively one only debates in the understanding that the use of reason and evidence will be employed by the other party(s). When that fails to be the case the debate becomes a word-fight; Of no more significance than simply going outside and having a fist-brawl.

You can't address the physical aspects of the collapse because you a mindless apologist for the official story. Simple as that.

 

[Neeblot]

I've watched more than my fair share of conspiracy videos. They all discount evidence which contradicts their insane conclusions, and even then, their conclusions are rarely based in fact. The Government did not rig the towers with explosives, nor were there explosives in the tower. Al Qaeda attacked, not George W and friends. I am sick of the (14-year old) "physicists" stating that the collapses were impossible without explosives. I am sick of the garbage that is claimed about the tragedy of 9/11.

That does not mean I support the Bush Administration, I am in fact a hard left-winger even by European standards. I just think that the claims made about 9/11 are ludicrous. The furthest any 9/11 "conspiracy" could have realistically gone would have been the Bush Administration knowing that the attacks were going to occur, and doing nothing to stop them.

DAMN STRAIGHT!

They prooved there was explosives in the tower.

Where's the "proof"? >_<

 

DAMN STRAIGHT!






Where's the "proof"? >_<

Don't be such a braindead fuckwit.
Evidence:
[YOUTUBE]-FCqsIgCcZQ[/YOUTUBE]

 

You people, the fat controller especially, are so fucking stupid.

Where did the molten steel come from if the collapse was a result of fire?
Why are WTC1, 2, 7 the only steel structured buildings in the history of the world to have collapsed as a result of fire?
Why was there vaporized steel particles in the dust?
Why was there termite chips in the dust?
Why are half the hijackers still alive?
How did the passports of the hijackers survive the fires to be found?
Why won't the pentagon release the tapes of the pentagon crash?

Why don't you stop sucking your thumbs and actually go figure out what happened on 9/11. Instead of blindly believing a story so ridiculous that it is openly contradicted by the practical results of the NIST controlled reconstructions.

 

[The Fat Controller]

Don't be such a braindead fuckwit.
Evidence:
[YOUTUBE]-FCqsIgCcZQ[/YOUTUBE]

I know I'm a braindead fuckwit too, without a reasoned thread in my argument, but since I happen to know all about this, I'll butt in:

There are plenty of alternative hypotheses for there being ferrous microspheres in the dust, to list just a few:

* Fly-ash used as a constituent of the cement in the towers.
* Iron powder cores from electronics in the towers.
* Welding done during the construction of the towers.

So where are the twisted iron-splattered beams that were cut during the thermite reaction?

This is all coming from the Mormon scientist who, instead getting his work published in peer-reviewed journals, started his own. This is the very man who claimed that the glow of a high-powered light at ground zero was molten metal glowing at ground zero. About as credible as my arse, quite frankly.

 

[The Fat Controller]

You people, the fat controller especially, are so fucking stupid.

Where did the molten steel come from if the collapse was a result of fire?

What molten steel?

Why are WTC1, 2, 7 the only steel structured buildings in the history of the world to have collapsed as a result of fire?

It's not every day that a steel building the size of WTC1 or 2 have planes flied into them, or 7 left to burn all day long... What is the logic in blowing up an evacuated building half a day too late anyway?

Why was there vaporized steel particles in the dust?

Steel? Check your facts, I haven't seen any papers that mention this.

Why was there termite chips in the dust?

Termite chips? Source on where "thermite" chips were found?

Why are half the hijackers still alive?

What does that have to do with 9/11 being a government set-up, or otherwise?

How did the passports of the hijackers survive the fires to be found?

What does this have to do with 9/11 being a government set-up, or otherwise? It's suspicious, I wondered about it too - but it doesn't tell us anything.

Why won't the pentagon release the tapes of the pentagon crash?

Uhh, aren't you a few years out of date on this point?

Why don't you stop sucking your thumbs and actually go figure out what happened on 9/11. Instead of blindly believing a story so ridiculous that it is openly contradicted by the practical results of the NIST controlled reconstructions.

Why don't you address some of the gapingly large inconsistencies in your argument?

* Why does Osama bin Laden disagree with you?
* What evidence implicates the US government in any of this?

 

[wowhamba]

What does that have to do with 9/11 being a government set-up, or otherwise?

Lets think now... HALF of the people which supposedly flew the planes into the towers and died, are still alive?

... Need I explain more? It's self explanatory.

Oh and they still hadn't updated their list.

Uhh, aren't you a few years out of date on this point?

Avoiding the question? Answering a question with a non relevant question?

Termite chips? Source on where "thermite" chips were found?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxyqb7GbUfo

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/2514/Red_Chips_Thermite_Explosives_found_in_911_Dust/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4186920967571123147

Google is... very, very easy to use.

What molten steel?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html

* Why does Osama bin Laden disagree with you?

Did you ever research Osama bin Laden and his family?

It's obvious... Sythe doesn't have to spoon feed you everything.

Steel? Check your facts, I haven't seen any papers that mention this.

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=8LW6b8JF5ls

It's not every day that a steel building the size of WTC1 or 2 have planes flied into them, or 7 left to burn all day long... What is the logic in blowing up an evacuated building half a day too late anyway?

Fire was only on 2 floors of WTC 7, not the whole building.

And the towers were DESIGNED to withstand aeroplane crashes.

http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/05/world-trade-center-building-designers.html

Read the whole thing and the facts about WTC 1 and 2...

 

[The Fat Controller]

Lets think now... HALF of the people which supposedly flew the planes into the towers and died, are still alive?

... Need I explain more? It's self explanatory.

Oh and they still hadn't updated their list.

I'm confused at how you get from there to the government planting bombs in the twin towers

Avoiding the question? Answering a question with a non relevant question?

Actually, the Pentagon released a video of the plane flying into said building over two years ago. To make it clear, read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

 

[Rahul]

It was the fucking terrorist, not the American government you fucking idiots.. The terrorist objective was to fuck up the American economy by going for the prized World Trade Centers and they did destroy them, which got us into a war, so thats 2 minus' for us, and now our economy sucks because of what they did, their objective was met, lets gtfo out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[wowhamba]

I'm confused at how you get from there to the government planting bombs in the twin towers

I was trying to say that the US government made a list of the people who were in the hi-jacked planes.

But they are still alive?

It was the fucking terrorist, not the American government you fucking idiots.. The terrorist objective was to fuck up the American economy by going for the prized World Trade Centers and they did destroy them, which got us into a war, so thats 2 minus' for us, and now our economy sucks because of what they did, their objective was met, lets gtfo out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is evidence of the contrary, oh and how do you know all that ("The terrorist objective was to fuck up the American economy by going for the prized World Trade Centers and they did destroy them")?

Read the posts before you claim things so blindly without backing them up, oh and personal attacks through the internet, huh.

You know nothing about the economy, you're just saying what you were told or what you want to believe! FOOL.

Actually, the Pentagon released a video of the plane flying into said building over two years ago. To make it clear, read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

First, that video is extremely not clear and it's hard to make out anything.

The man says and I quote. "At first it's hard to make out the hi-jacked plane, but look closely at the lower right hand corner, what's entering the frame appears to be the nose of the plane SKIDDING ALONG THE GROUND BEFORE CRASHING INTO THE PENTAGON." But the ground was perfect, there were no skid marks.

Are you telling me that a very poorly trained middle-eastern terrorist would be able to fly a plane perfectly horizontal into the pentagon just few inches off the ground?

Sounds very, very unlikely. And why was everything taken from the crash not larger then a stereo? Not a fucking chair was found, not even the engines!

Watch Zeitgeist, they show a lot of evidence...

 

It was the fucking terrorist, not the American government you fucking idiots.. The terrorist objective was to fuck up the American economy by going for the prized World Trade Centers and they did destroy them, which got us into a war, so thats 2 minus' for us, and now our economy sucks because of what they did, their objective was met, lets gtfo out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Yeah just believe that while your country becomes a police state.

Modern America is a sick joke parody of a once great and once free nation. Go back to eating your GMO food and taking your mercury shots. The government will hyper-inflate your currency and turn you into thridworld slaves. 15% inflation this year alone. Just accept the media norm, even when it makes no sense whatever. Just ignore the fact your country is a massive empire in the process of power consolidation. Just ignore the fact that a small group of power elite are currently in the process of daylight robbery of the entire sum aggregate of all the wealth in america. They tell you its for your own good. 1000 to 1 phonecalls against the bailout bill and it still passes in congress. Two illegal wars, soon to be a third. Average savings rate of americans is negative. You are in debt. 10 trillion in treasury bonds which will never be repaid in hard currency. Empire empire empire. You stupid deluded fools.

Welcome to the two class system. The rulers and the ruled. Guess which class you are in? And guess what? Time's up. It's here. Enjoy hell on earth.

 

[Teh 1337ness]

As Sythe so pointed out- we are FUCKED. There is nothing worse than going to war- but for no reason? Every point of evidence anything has EVER collected and done SIGNIFICANT research on points toward it becoming the work of a force NOT OF TERRORISTS.

No one believes it, when you are home alone, and somehow MAGICALLY the last cookie disappears. Your bullshit excuse "I don't know what happened" doesn't work at home, so why is over HALF of the American Population still fooled by this "Tragedy". The only god damn tragedy is that our government committed it, than didn't have the balls to cover it up half good.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I'm confused at how you get from there to the government planting bombs in the twin towers

If the government says "these people are responsible for the suicide attacks", and several of those people are found to be alive, then something is amiss.

Actually, the Pentagon released a video of the plane flying into said building over two years ago. To make it clear, read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

They seem to have avoided releasing any other videos, perhaps ones that don't show just a vague white blur.

 

[The Fat Controller]

I was trying to say that the US government made a list of the people who were in the hi-jacked planes.

But they are still alive?

Right... I'll ask again. So where's the evidence implicating the US government in the attacks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxyqb7GbUfo

This claim appears to be unsubstantiated. Sulphur-based drywall was the thirdmost used construction material in the world trade center. Look - just read this, it's an excerpt from the NIST FAQ:

Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially). Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed inconspicuously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.

Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC towers, and sulfur is present [approx. 19% by weight] in the gypsum wallboard that was prevalent in the interior partitions.

Google is... very, very easy to use.

Wow, thanks! I wasn't looking for YouTube videos, but peer-reviewed papers!

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html

You're linking me to the premier 9/11 truth-nut site... Which lists lots of reporters and firemen using the word "steel" in their descriptions of molten metal they allegedly saw. Where's the proof? Where is the scientific paper which presents the images of this steel and an analysis it?

Did you ever research Osama bin Laden and his family?

It's obvious... Sythe doesn't have to spoon feed you everything.

As a matter of fact I have, I'm well read when it comes to the whole issue of bin Laden

So it's obvious that Osama was working with the US Government? You crack me up :laugh:

Fire was only on 2 floors of WTC 7, not the whole building.

And the towers were DESIGNED to withstand aeroplane crashes.

http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/200...designers.html

Read the whole thing and the facts about WTC 1 and 2...

My God... you know, they were designed to survive aeroplane crashes, and they did - for a damn long time too. That blog starts spewing crap almost from the start;

As well, &#8220;Live loads on these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs

This refers to static loads, not dynamic ones i.e. columns will not be able to support floors which have already begun accelerating downwards.

And what does it prove, after all;

It is demonstrable that the WTC building designers claimed that the Twin Towers would survive an event similar to 9/11.

All it shows is that the WTC building designers were tragically wrong, and did not take complete account of the weakening of the surviving columns around the point of impact due to fire.

 

[Oh Bama]

I think they were terrorist attacks and there is nothing to prove that they were something other than that. They can post 208430748 videos on youtube about George Bush planning that all out. But there just as many people on the other side saying that they were terrorist attacks.

 

Yeah Sythe, take it

Oh please. Some steel frame buildings literally explode and you insist that it was caused by fire, when a steel framed building has never collapsed in the history of the world due to fire. You insist this whilst providing no demonstrable physical mechanism.

See this side of the fence? This is the side on which the laws of physics are valid, my friend. You can stay in fairy land if you want. But you can't avoid metaphysical justice.

And in a year or two when there are black uniform police in your town, and riots and violence and general mayhem, you will remember this forum, and you will remember me. But by that time it will be too late. This is the price of your illusions: your life.

 

[Zynastor]

Yea i some conspiracy videos and pics on the pentagon and it led me to reason that something is up....

 

[hamza]

This track expresses my feeling on this:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqP9wTv_20

 

[thorne_bro]

I highly doubt that 9/11 was caused by the government just to claim war on Iraq and Afghanistan... It wouldn't make any sense at all... Although I totally agree that Bush is a complete and total dumbass in office and we all are glad he is out of there soon... It wouldn't make sense for him to kill civilians lives within 2 years of his presidency. They would have easily conducted a research as to where he has been and who he has been talking to in that 2 years...