ExaMTA

[I 1337 I]

This is getting too serious.

I've been RID's customer from V1, and I'm fine with it. One .5blackmark, thats the only thing I'm not happy about, so I'm not sure should I use the bot on my main. But what ever. MTA V4 sounds good, and I'm really looking for it.

 

[Dorito]

Don't advertise RSCA, the site and the bot both suck quite badly, and regardless of that, it's against the rules.

That is all.

 

[robotzindisguise]

with fine tuning done to a script and cutting some stuff etc a script can be created to run as good or better.

Hey Mark. It is certainly possible to equal the RID bot in terms of performance as in Xp per hour and pizzaz per hour or even improve on it - but I'd say it's impossible for a NeXus script to equal RID in terms of realism and anti-ban. Some of the AI and other functions I use now can't even be written in Java - I need server side technology to pull things off that are very important, especially to anti-ban. This also prevents Jagex analysing how it works, Jagex can unfortunately view a NeXus script to see what it does, and the same applies to NeXus' mouse movements, making it easier for them to identify the people using your NeXus than identify someone using RID, regardless of whether it's a good script.

I once was told months ago your mouse patterns etc look better....

I'm not surprised you've heard the same, because I work very hard on them. I think splines is a bad way to go, and believe I have now perfected mouse movements that will always be undetectable to Jagex, even 10 years from now.

All past bots go to tile 1,1 then change paths. That saves time and loks alot less bot like.

Sounds good, from V1 of my program, similar techniques have been incorporated using color, to judge how fast an object is moving when you are aiming for a moving target.

Beat that.

The most recently a NeXus contributer gave praise to the realism of RID's mouse movements, was a little over 2 months ago, maybe NeXus has been updated since, however the techniques I use beat using splines, in terms of how realistic and human they are, and anti-ban. The two fundamental issues with mouse movement. Splines are inherantly detectable, a human player doesn't move the mouse this way, even if it looks approximately correct, it will not guarantee safety (I don't know if you do this kind of thing, but in an experiment, I have got skills into the high 90s, 94+ [but rarely 99] using mouse movements that literally jump from point to point - if you don't often make it past 90 using NeXus it could be mouse movements that are letting you down - but it's extremely hard to make ones like the movements I use and similarly, the less I say, the better)

I've heard you say NeXus is the best a few times, I try to avoid making blind statements about who's bot is best. But if that's what you want to put across, people would listen more if you show proof that your bot is as good as you say it is. Do what I did, earn a few 100M get about 20M Xp with Nick's script (or any script really) then make a YouTube video and show people if your bot is really undetectable. If your bot really isn't that good then don't compare it to RID.

Anyway, I hear good things about NeXus as well, and I think it's a great way to introduce people to programming, anyone can pick it up and start making scripts and it's a good community, definitely the one I have closest ties with - to my knowledge nobody from RSCA is actually a trained programmer including yourself Mark, but that's not me devaluing what you do - just that on the other hand, I've gone through years of training, late nights studying, managed to pass exams, eventually take on large projects and drive them to a successful outcome, so if what I am doing is a little better, that's nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[roner101]

Nice shit your writing RID and way to back yourself up.. But fuck these dudes and finish your bot, then we wont have to bullshit on these forums we can just make the obvious a fact... Your bot is better

 

[Mark [GenoDemoN]]

Hey Mark. It is certainly possible to equal the RID bot in terms of performance as in Xp per hour and pizzaz per hour or even improve on it - but I'd say it's impossible for a NeXus script to equal RID in terms of realism and anti-ban. Some of the AI and other functions I use now can't even be written in Java - I need server side technology to pull things off that are very important, especially to anti-ban. This also prevents Jagex analysing how it works, Jagex can unfortunately view a NeXus script to see what it does, and the same applies to NeXus' mouse movements, making it easier for them to identify the people using your NeXus than identify someone using RID, regardless of whether it's a good script.

Viewing vs running the script wont improve thier odds of dection only their odds of disabling via a tiny update. As to the mouse algor ill talk further down.

I'm not surprised you've heard the same, because I work very hard on them. I think splines is a bad way to go, and believe I have now perfected mouse movements that will always be undetectable to Jagex, even 10 years from now.

I'm gald you are that high on your algorithm's however do you know if jagex even knows about you? For approx a year while rsdemon was the widest used bot, we suffered no bans except from people that would use it for days straight. Once jagex killed rsdemon we moved into thier crosshairs, obviously first deteremining a way to figure out our splines real time. But what gave themselves away was the endless stream of DMCA's we would recieve about images of RS hosted no our server. We recieved many communications from thier legal department, it was quite amusing. Once you get target then you can start talking about the effectiveness of your alogrithms. Our new algorithm is nothing compared to any in the past I dont and wont go into the details on here. If you want to have a nice private chat feel free to contact me.

Sounds good, from V1 of my program, similar techniques have been incorporated using color, to judge how fast an object is moving when you are aiming for a moving target.

The most recently a NeXus contributer gave praise to the realism of RID's mouse movements, was a little over 2 months ago, maybe NeXus has been updated since, however the techniques I use beat using splines, in terms of how realistic and human they are, and anti-ban. The two fundamental issues with mouse movement. Splines are inherantly detectable, a human player doesn't move the mouse this way, even if it looks approximately correct, it will not guarantee safety (I don't know if you do this kind of thing, but in an experiment, I have got skills into the high 90s, 94+ [but rarely 99] using mouse movements that literally jump from point to point - if you don't often make it past 90 using NeXus it could be mouse movements that are letting you down - but it's extremely hard to make ones like the movements I use and similarly, the less I say, the better)

a 100px jump are you insane? ours are very very very low.

I've heard you say NeXus is the best a few times, I try to avoid making blind statements about who's bot is best. But if that's what you want to put across, people would listen more if you show proof that your bot is as good as you say it is. Do what I did, earn a few 100M get about 20M Xp with Nick's script (or any script really) then make a YouTube video and show people if your bot is really undetectable. If your bot really isn't that good then don't compare it to RID.

well there is a problem, anytime we would show off an account, dmca. It is a great way to sell things, hell we did a test once mabey a year ago. Recorded the exp/hour and gp/hour of all of our included scripts. There was no increase in anything.

Anyway, I hear good things about NeXus as well, and I think it's a great way to introduce people to programming, anyone can pick it up and start making scripts and it's a good community, definitely the one I have closest ties with - to my knowledge nobody from RSCA is actually a trained programmer including yourself Mark, but that's not me devaluing what you do - just that on the other hand, I've gone through years of training, late nights studying, managed to pass exams, eventually take on large projects and drive them to a successful outcome, so if what I am doing is a little better, that's nothing to be ashamed of.

Thanks for attacking my credencials, you have some truth in the fact I do not have any certifications yet. I am only starting my 3rd year as a computer engineering major @ uni of fl. Eric however is java sun certified.

 

[macs]

Theres a free MTA on rsbot.com :/

 

[robotzindisguise]

Viewing vs running the script wont improve thier odds of dection only their odds of disabling via a tiny update.

From an automated detection process designer's point of view, knowing how a bot makes all it's decisions, makes it easier to identify from in-game activity. Maybe you disagree, but I avoid giving anything like this away in V4, and I do think it makes a difference. Unfortunately you couldn't achieve this with NeXus without abandoning the scripting culture (not to mention other things).

do you know if jagex even knows about you? Once you get target then you can start talking about the effectiveness of your alogrithms.

Actually, Jagex do know - but only as much as we allow them to - about RID. J-Mods and P-mods even held meetings to discuss ways to tackle the bot, and made us public enemy number 1 when they sent J-Mods to the MTA, as far back as Feb 2008. Despite being what would appear to be the very center of the cross-hairs, they gave up, and the last version of RID ran without a single ban for a period over a month, before I decided to take it offline anyway, to ensure the same level of success can continue in future. The RID philosophy is to achieve undetectability. I sense sarcasm, but actually I do think my mouse movements are now a perfect simulation of human movement. You are right though, an algorithm should be judged on how effective it is, not what it's author says.

a 100px jump are you insane? ours are very very very low.

Do you understand my point? I'm not sure you did. Maybe I didn't say clearly but in experiments on dummy accounts, substituting mouse movements for "jumps", I've been able to conclude Jagex's detection process rarely examines mouse movement, because I have trained skills past 90 using the most detectable mouse movements possible. The point is, you can get away with using detectable mouse movements for a long time, but will struggle to reach 99. I wasn't suggesting NeXus makes the mouse jump too far, I am saying perhaps your movements are detectable and you just aren't aware of it, if you aren't getting your users regularly to 99 and beyond it could be something to consider. The mouse movements I use, that comfortably get past all automated detection processes, don't make the mouse jump either.

well there is a problem, anytime we would show off an account, dmca. It is a great way to sell things, hell we did a test once mabey a year ago. Recorded the exp/hour and gp/hour of all of our included scripts. There was no increase in anything.

The law doesn't apply differently to RID, on Sythe you can post screenshots. I've seen NeXus advertise here before, showing screenshots of accounts getting say 50 mining or 80 wood cutting, and that's not bad, but if you guys had an undetectable bot, they'd all be 99s. The only time someone posts a screenie of getting anything less than 99 with my bot, is to show the gold they earned, or because they got a lot of Xp in one day. I've been to RSCA a few times and read what your customers say, and some of it is really good, but from comparing the overall appraisal, people seem to get 99's more often using RID. That's not an attack, but I think an extremely valid point in a comparison of the two.

Thanks for attacking my credencials, you have some truth in the fact I do not have any certifications yet. I am only starting my 3rd year as a computer engineering major @ uni of fl. Eric however is java sun certified.

Again, not an attack, nothing personal. I spoke to Eric a while back and asked him a bit about his background and he mentioned he was at uni but he wasn't studying anything computing related, and he didn't mention he'd taken a Java course in the past. Good luck with uni by the way. I have a BSc (hons) in both Mathematics and Computer Science. I owe it to the maths I studied at uni that I was able to program the mouse movements I use now. It was only after completing a 4 year CS course, I started work on my first bot. But I was more referring to Nick, I spoke to him a while ago and he had trouble distinguishing between a client and a server, and that's not an attack, just inexperience I also praised his passion for programming, but I think it's valid to take into account the skill and experience of the programmer when comparing two bots for sure.

You just slated RSBot because it's apparently more detectable than NeXus - but going by this logic, RID is better than NeXus. I do think Nick should try to sell his bot on it's own merits, and saying his script has better performance than RID, while failing to take it's actual performance into account, does seem strange to me. If there's anything else you want to know about RID feel free to ask, but I think it would be unfair to Nick if we this carry on here. This is exaMTA not RID.

 

[Exi]

How many people were banned when your database was exploited, RID? - I remember once using an account which had no botting history but 30 minutes after logging using your bot it recieved a permanent ban, odd that isn't it. Furthermore How many weeks this year has your bot had down-time? There are a multitude of factors which you don't seem to take full apreciation of. Yes your colour bot is good, the mouse movements are realistic along with human-like actions. But I don't think you recognise how limited your bot is - sure its potentially only limited by the author, but adding in functions to make your bot comparable to nexus is what, double your source code?

A crucial point that you seem to not to not take into account is the location and function of your bot. There are VERY few people who use MTA to train mage and so on an average day every bot using any MTA script will have very sparse interaction with a legitimate player. I've achieved a number of 99's and generally hard-to-get skills through using my own private scripts on nexus however these skills were achieved in areas with very few users in the area, or where human interaction was brief. I've achieved 85 mining using lumbridge coal mines/granite mines, 99 thieving using a pyrimid plunder script I made and 97 fishing using a nietzot fishing script of mine. Player reporting are key to botters being banned and so limiting these reports limits these bans. For this reason you CANNOT compare your ban rates to nexus, or any botting platform for that matter simply because the scripts hosted on those botting platforms in nearly all cases are designed for high population areas and thus areas which have a potentially high risk of being reported.

In 80% of the methods I use, I don't use the nexus defaults so please do not use nexus as a full base for comparison. I have designed my own tab-switching, Login handlers, break handlers, worldswitch handlers, 3d Model motion prediction, reflection hooks for alchemist (Oh yes - I can locate which cupboard contains the correct item without guestimating/pre-checking), human-like compass movements/camera tilts in the direction of an item/NPC, human-like use of the keyboard and an extremely extensive chatHandler which unlike yours from V3, actually attempts to intelligently form a response rather than randomly selecting a preset string. Can your script identify players by name, level or skills and talk to them regarding these pieces of information? No, but I can. You are under-estimating both me and Nexus.

 

[robotzindisguise]

Can you make a case for your bot without giving mis-information about mine please, such as that Jagex don't know about, our databases were compromised, or whatever you might come up with next. It really is taking the piss now. At least when I say something about you, or NeXus it is a fact, not an estimate, or just something made up on the spot. If Jagex had hacked our databases, that would both be illegal, and everyone would have been banned I am sure - from here I'd appreciate it if you guys refrain from making assumptions, or giving misinformation about my bot.

Being reported is not grounds for a ban, it just brings you to Jagex's attention. If your bot is actually undetectable, being reported wouldn't make any difference, so basically you are confirming NeXus is detectable. You can't walk up to any player in game, report them for macroing, and they'll get banned. Jagex do use discretion. I know players using the MTA bot have been reported (it's a well known program, and some players have told the bot, because I have it on record, that they reported them for ignoring a player talking usually), the bot is programmed to handle situations like this, and twice this has happened that a player has announced they reported someone using my bot - neither person was banned. With their consent I could go through the database, show you the record of someone announcing they reported these RID users, and you can check they're still in the scoreboards. So your point isn't valid... except as proof Jagex can detect NeXus, which is all I've been saying this whole time.

 

[Sidd]

Robotz, its competition. Monopolies aren't supposed to live for ever.

Use this to make you feel compelled to beat the competition.

 

[robotzindisguise]

Do you think there's dirty tactics going on here Sidd? lol

probably

 

[illusion__]

MTA -- thanks for bringing into context the view of people of this community. Whats sad is most fo thoose people are basing thier opinion on a past opinion. Snow balling into saying a bot is bad. What tickles me is when they claim RSBot is less detectable, the day a bcel bot is less detectable than a reflection bot is when hell freezes over.

Mark, you obviously haven't got any more intelligent since your dumbass brother banned me. So take the dick out of your ass and realize that your a fucking moron. If you think that RSBot is more detectable than Nexus you have sadly mistaken. You know NOTHING about the client, so why lie publicly? I want to have proof of this claim. The only reason people get banned from rsbot is the fact that they ABUSE it. Yes unlike nexus, RSBot CAN run for 24 HOURS. No one plays runescape for 24 hours which results in most bans. Even in rsbot 1, rsbot is more powerful than nexus because nexus is very limited to what it can do. Ruler always stays away from hooks. He belives the more hooks the more detectability which is obviously bullshit since rsbot has 172 hooks. I'm just saying that You, Mark, and your Bother, Ruler, are complete retards and don't deserve anymore money from all your bullshit lies. Just wait in a few weeks, You will feel the effects from something more powerful and more stable than your so called "bot". Oh also maybe you should tell Ruler to make nexus a little bit easier to crack? I mean 10 minutes is pretty long. And robotz i honestly think you are just scared of competition, It happens bro. Just ask Ruler how rsbot is effecting his sales .

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illusion`

 

[0017513060]

the only thing that could ever compare with RID is autorune and that dont work anymore.

i have yet to know of a bot better then RID MTA, so paying for any other bot is just plain dumb.

and i have used the cracked nexus or ibot (what ever) and had very poor results, and at the time it was the most current version.

 

[Mark [GenoDemoN]]

RID -

I agree lets let this thread be just about the MTA's, I dont see why eric would say that. However here there are few truely good undergradute programming courses other than the basics. most of the good stuff is in the graduate courses.

But lets stay on-topic, I completely misread your word on the levels read it as pixel count jumps lol. Nick covered that quite well for me.

 

[illusion__]

RID -

I agree lets let this thread be just about the MTA's, I dont see why eric would say that. However here there are few truely good undergradute programming courses other than the basics. most of the good stuff is in the graduate courses.

But lets stay on-topic, I completely misread your word on the levels read it as pixel count jumps lol. Nick covered that quite well for me.

Too pussy to comment on what i said? Your just like your brother. Your both little bitches that think they are "leet"