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Only a 'month' if I read it correctly.
Okay, then, I'll do you and the readers of this thread a favor and cut to the chase. I'll ask the question that's on the mind of most who might want to buy your script:
Why is your script going to be better than the bot made by Robotz In Disguise (RID)?
Is that plain and direct enough?
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Better tom, much better.
Well, first of all i'll list the advantages of using nexus LITE (the free bot).
Minimiseable with a virtual machine.
Can have up to two accounts active depending on your screen resolution.
Free botting paltform which gives users access to a multitude of free scripts, not just mine.
the script:
Most advanced chat Handler ever to have been implemented into a bot. I can't detail too much about the chat handler just yet but I am able to locate, talk to and grab information about specific players - ie I could walk up to someone on the minimap and the script will comment on the fact that they have a high level skill, if they do or start talking about how much their Abysal Whip cost, if they are wearing one. The chat talks to JMods and PMods by name, and uses similar functions from the player chat above. The chat Handler actually tries to build sentences together based on the current location and state of your character. If someone starts talking in chat, or a question is air'd/directed at you the chat handler will build an appropriate response rather than randomly spamming a sentence.
Customiseable World-switching allowing users to plan their world switches.
Customiseable break system allowing users to plan their break intervals and lengths which works in conjunction with the world switcher.
From what I've seen from V3, speed is comparable to RID in enchanting (both power-levelling and dragonstone world hopping) and graveyard, quicker in telekinetic and slightly slower in alchemist however, improvements are being made to alchemist which are currently being undertaken by a Software Architect.
Banking ability - the script will automatically bank when your out of runes, and withdraw more depending on the spells you need. You can also set it in the GUI so that if your out of runes in your bank, the script will carry on to the Grand Exchange and buy what you need. Script is compatible with all runes and staffs so there are no preset items required by the script.
The script is full reflection - Other than being able to pinpoint any Physical Object, NPC and Item in the MTA area, the script will also randomly do certain things with this information ie while your running around the enchanting arena you may start hovering over the green Guardian, or you may right click and examine one of the shape-piles. There are a number of "Anti-Ban" options which are all preset by you, the user.
Because the script is based on a scriptable botting platform rather than a standalone application, Updates will be thick and fast - I can rapidly produce an update or addition to the script wherever the need be and I allow users to heavily control what updates and improvements happen to the script. For example if the authee's wanted me to, I could whip up a script that crafted the runes that they needed, or completed a few quests which raised their magic level. All of this could easily be implemented into the current script.
Well, first of all i'll list the advantages of using nexus LITE (the free bot).
Minimiseable with a virtual machine.
Can have up to two accounts active depending on your screen resolution.
Free botting paltform which gives users access to a multitude of free scripts, not just mine.
the script:
Most advanced chat Handler ever to have been implemented into a bot. I can't detail too much about the chat handler just yet but I am able to locate, talk to and grab information about specific players - ie I could walk up to someone on the minimap and the script will comment on the fact that they have a high level skill, if they do or start talking about how much their Abysal Whip cost, if they are wearing one. The chat talks to JMods and PMods by name, and uses similar functions from the player chat above. The chat Handler actually tries to build sentences together based on the current location and state of your character. If someone starts talking in chat, or a question is air'd/directed at you the chat handler will build an appropriate response rather than randomly spamming a sentence.
Customiseable World-switching allowing users to plan their world switches.
Customiseable break system allowing users to plan their break intervals and lengths which works in conjunction with the world switcher.
From what I've seen from V3, speed is comparable to RID in enchanting (both power-levelling and dragonstone world hopping) and graveyard, quicker in telekinetic and slightly slower in alchemist however, improvements are being made to alchemist which are currently being undertaken by a Software Architect.
Banking ability - the script will automatically bank when your out of runes, and withdraw more depending on the spells you need. You can also set it in the GUI so that if your out of runes in your bank, the script will carry on to the Grand Exchange and buy what you need. Script is compatible with all runes and staffs so there are no preset items required by the script.
The script is full reflection - Other than being able to pinpoint any Physical Object, NPC and Item in the MTA area, the script will also randomly do certain things with this information ie while your running around the enchanting arena you may start hovering over the green Guardian, or you may right click and examine one of the shape-piles. There are a number of "Anti-Ban" options which are all preset by you, the user.
Because the script is based on a scriptable botting platform rather than a standalone application, Updates will be thick and fast - I can rapidly produce an update or addition to the script wherever the need be and I allow users to heavily control what updates and improvements happen to the script. For example if the authee's wanted me to, I could whip up a script that crafted the runes that they needed, or completed a few quests which raised their magic level. All of this could easily be implemented into the current script.
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He already explained so far what is better. If you didn't understand, please read below:
Chat Handler- In previous versions, RID used 10 different responses where according to Nick: "If someone starts talking in chat, or a question is air'd/directed at you the chat handler will build an appropriate response rather than randomly spamming a sentence."
Customizable world switching- Can be done in RID, so we don't need to discuss.
Customizable Break System- Something that RID has not implemented in previous versions. In RID, it was you can pause it for 30 sec at most.
Speedwise- On par in Enchanting and Graveyard with RID. Faster in Telekentic than RID. However, is slower than RID in Alchemist.
Banking Ability- Not applicable to RID therefore, another point to [exa]MTA.
Anti-Bans: It does random things legit players would do randomly do such as hovering over the Green Guardian.
Finally, the updates: It is the better according to Nick because "script is based on a scriptable botting platform rather than a standalone application" which results in "Updates will be thick and fast" which can be questionable for RID in some degree
Chat Handler- In previous versions, RID used 10 different responses where according to Nick: "If someone starts talking in chat, or a question is air'd/directed at you the chat handler will build an appropriate response rather than randomly spamming a sentence."
Customizable world switching- Can be done in RID, so we don't need to discuss.
Customizable Break System- Something that RID has not implemented in previous versions. In RID, it was you can pause it for 30 sec at most.
Speedwise- On par in Enchanting and Graveyard with RID. Faster in Telekentic than RID. However, is slower than RID in Alchemist.
Banking Ability- Not applicable to RID therefore, another point to [exa]MTA.
Anti-Bans: It does random things legit players would do randomly do such as hovering over the Green Guardian.
Finally, the updates: It is the better according to Nick because "script is based on a scriptable botting platform rather than a standalone application" which results in "Updates will be thick and fast" which can be questionable for RID in some degree
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Thankyou dorian. About, the chat I would like to drive home the fact that I can grab information about other players. Ie through reflection, I can determine that they are wearing a fury amulet, abbysal whip etc and talk to them about their setup. I can also grab other peoples stats and discuss them in game.
RID didn't use 10 responses - it used in the order of 600-700 randomly selected however if you have the source which im sure jagex do, you can easily decrypt the obb'd strings and see what your bot might say which is seriously bad for ban-rates. With my script it's difficult to get the obb'd classes in the first palce because of the system that I use and secondly because of the way it builds sentences rather than selecting them it's nearly impossible to determine if someone is botting with my script based off what they're saying in game.
RID didn't use 10 responses - it used in the order of 600-700 randomly selected however if you have the source which im sure jagex do, you can easily decrypt the obb'd strings and see what your bot might say which is seriously bad for ban-rates. With my script it's difficult to get the obb'd classes in the first palce because of the system that I use and secondly because of the way it builds sentences rather than selecting them it's nearly impossible to determine if someone is botting with my script based off what they're saying in game.
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I'd appreciate if you don't talk about RID, because some of these things are incorrect and/or misleading.
RID servers control all the responses the RID bot makes, so contrary to what you said Jagex cannot learn anything about the RID bot's auto-talker from the source.
The RID auto-talker also doesn't spam responses, it works using regular expressions - the technique universally regarded as the best (and only) way to do serious string processing. Regular expressions are not supported in Java, to my knowledge. The current RID auto-talker can talk about other people's stats, but only if they mention them first. There is certainly more potential with this technique than any auto-talker that is written in Java, as far as breaking down sentences and understanding them is concerned (as well as allowing for typo's - not everyone in RuneScape is articulate).
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That's it.
This is supposed to be a thread about ExaMTA, not who's got the best bot. IF you want to continue this discussion, make another thread.
Any post non-related to ExaMTA will be infracted.
Final warning.
This is supposed to be a thread about ExaMTA, not who's got the best bot. IF you want to continue this discussion, make another thread.
Any post non-related to ExaMTA will be infracted.
Final warning.
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ExaMTA has been released, and after debugging the majority of the bugs I feel this is ready to be air'd to sythe.
Here's the sale-thread with information regarding the script:
http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/topic,39190.msg350420/topicseen.html#new
Taken from that thread, are the Points rates which I have timed and averaged so people can compare my script to RID (because I know you all want to
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Script Speeds:
Telekinetic: 105-115 points per hour
Alchemist: 175-185 points per hour - 70-75k xp per hour.
GraveYard: 210-220 points per hour (bones to peaches), 140-150 points per hour (bones to banana's)
Enchanting: 1.8k points per hour (world hop)
~Estimated time to get a mage book from 0 points - 12.5 hours
Here's the sale-thread with information regarding the script:
http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/topic,39190.msg350420/topicseen.html#new
Taken from that thread, are the Points rates which I have timed and averaged so people can compare my script to RID (because I know you all want to
)Script Speeds:
Telekinetic: 105-115 points per hour
Alchemist: 175-185 points per hour - 70-75k xp per hour.
GraveYard: 210-220 points per hour (bones to peaches), 140-150 points per hour (bones to banana's)
Enchanting: 1.8k points per hour (world hop)
~Estimated time to get a mage book from 0 points - 12.5 hours
thequestionmark
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I may consider running RID and your bot seeing as I need 94 mage on two different accounts.
Last I heard, RID does NOT use reflection? I'm personally not a fan of reflection... it just seems like looking into the client is something Jagex will eventually figure out...
Last I heard, RID does NOT use reflection? I'm personally not a fan of reflection... it just seems like looking into the client is something Jagex will eventually figure out...
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Your probably hesitant about reflection because you don't fully understand what it is, and how it does it.
Any form of java application (including runescape) is a series of class files which perform various calculations or represent various types of information. To the user, those calculations are hidden unless you decompile the classes however the runescape classes are obfuscated, meaning that decompiling the classes would still make very little sense. Reflection is simply loading the classes separately, looking through each class and monitoring the values within each field as they change independantly or dependantly, you do not change any information within the fields nor do you edit the packets being sent to the RS servers therefore you cannot detect it. Jagex won't find out a way to tell if someone is reflecting on something because it's not possible to detect it or failsafe against it directly. Let me put this into perspective, if jagex found a way to detect someone reflecting on information, they'd most probably stop runescape development and manopolise on their new found tool
All in all, you shouldn't worry about reflection, the method of field grabbing that you SHOULD worry about is BCEL (RsBot) because potentially that's very, very dangerous. BCEL bots like RsBot inject code into the client on loading to grab the fields and reform them to interfaces, and you don't have to be a genious to think iof the hazards that could potentially bring.
Any form of java application (including runescape) is a series of class files which perform various calculations or represent various types of information. To the user, those calculations are hidden unless you decompile the classes however the runescape classes are obfuscated, meaning that decompiling the classes would still make very little sense. Reflection is simply loading the classes separately, looking through each class and monitoring the values within each field as they change independantly or dependantly, you do not change any information within the fields nor do you edit the packets being sent to the RS servers therefore you cannot detect it. Jagex won't find out a way to tell if someone is reflecting on something because it's not possible to detect it or failsafe against it directly. Let me put this into perspective, if jagex found a way to detect someone reflecting on information, they'd most probably stop runescape development and manopolise on their new found tool
All in all, you shouldn't worry about reflection, the method of field grabbing that you SHOULD worry about is BCEL (RsBot) because potentially that's very, very dangerous. BCEL bots like RsBot inject code into the client on loading to grab the fields and reform them to interfaces, and you don't have to be a genious to think iof the hazards that could potentially bring.
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I understood vaguely what reflection was when I posted the comment.
What I don't understand is how reflection can be completely human. If you are depending on values, which are hypothetically "smarter" than a real human can see on a normal interface... I just don't know. Maybe I'm not knowledgeable enough to say.
I see a lot different stuff about ibot vs rsbot. Not going to take a side, but your comment about BCEL ...if it's detectable and so easily detectable, Jagex would be banning every user that it came across. I know you said "potential danger", but until it happens...
What I don't understand is how reflection can be completely human. If you are depending on values, which are hypothetically "smarter" than a real human can see on a normal interface... I just don't know. Maybe I'm not knowledgeable enough to say.
I see a lot different stuff about ibot vs rsbot. Not going to take a side, but your comment about BCEL ...if it's detectable and so easily detectable, Jagex would be banning every user that it came across. I know you said "potential danger", but until it happens...
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good point thequestionmark, yes humans can't retrieve data in the way that I can but it's down to the scripter how he uses those values. Let me give you an example,
In Enchanting, I can grab all items on the ground, their location, name, distance from me, size, ecetera. However just so It's not perculiar how I automatically know that the red item on the minimap is a dragonstone, I spin the camera/drop the pitch so the item can then be seen on screen - something a human would do. I'm also using an extremely powerful API - using the enchanting example again, I work out where an item will enter the screen mid-movement using some trigonomic calculations. The purpose of this is so that when your moving towards an item that is not yet visible, the mouse can move to a portion of the screen in preparation to hit it first time, mid-movement. The API doesn't need this as it can hit fast-moving objects better than a human could, however it's something that humans tend to do, so I've added it in.
In Enchanting, I can grab all items on the ground, their location, name, distance from me, size, ecetera. However just so It's not perculiar how I automatically know that the red item on the minimap is a dragonstone, I spin the camera/drop the pitch so the item can then be seen on screen - something a human would do. I'm also using an extremely powerful API - using the enchanting example again, I work out where an item will enter the screen mid-movement using some trigonomic calculations. The purpose of this is so that when your moving towards an item that is not yet visible, the mouse can move to a portion of the screen in preparation to hit it first time, mid-movement. The API doesn't need this as it can hit fast-moving objects better than a human could, however it's something that humans tend to do, so I've added it in.
It can't, nor can any other bot, no matter how cleverly written. That's the whole point. It might be able to escape current Jagex software detection (although it would be ludicrous to believe that Jagex couldn't write software to detect it), but it isn't going to be able to escape human detection.
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Tom I don't think you understand, Reflection isn't something that can be "seen" by Jagex. Your not changing any information/sending information back to the server so jagex cannot and will never be able to determine if someone is reflecting on a field.
As RID says fairly often, it's very possible for botting to be undectable - which is very true. I don't see how you can even think to suggest, let alone justify that my script is "detectable" by a human when you havn't seen the coding, nor have you even seen it in action.
As RID says fairly often, it's very possible for botting to be undectable - which is very true. I don't see how you can even think to suggest, let alone justify that my script is "detectable" by a human when you havn't seen the coding, nor have you even seen it in action.
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