ExaMTA

[Morphis]

Yes that was me. Having seen your "mouse splines" , provided by pplsuqballz I came to the conclusion that using straight lines and generating offsets on clicking would be a bad way to go, so I've used the default Beizer splines that came with nexus. I'm sure you have updated your "splines" so they are more advanced now, but what does it matter when you never bothered to reply to my original email that you brought up. How odd that you have an accurate recolection of it.

As you've said you've never used nexus so you cannot say that my script is worse than yours and i find it quite foolish that firstly you've assumed that I had performance issues, and secondly they were unique to me - I used your bot on a daily basis and found it satisfactory, but there was alot lacking and much that could be improved upon, so I decided to make my own. I see much more potential in terms of efficiency and power in a reflection script with colour as backup compared to a purely colour based application.

There are many side-bonuses too to take account of. My script is far cheaper, will be updated much more often, allows heavy user input, will have no down-time, can be used on 20 accounts or depending on system specs and features the rather luring scripting possibilities availible with nexus - things which colour applications simply cannot do.

If you read RID's thread he is updating v4 is going to find 3d models, not using color, well it might use color to verify its the right object. But im not 100% sure.

Anyways this is the real Nick [Exarctus] from RSCA. I liked your autofisher.

 

[Exi]

Thanks - unless he "hacks" the client the only way he can obtain 3d model is through colour.

 

[wcer2552]

yes this is nick and if u dont pay its not minimizable so cant do hw etc. when botting

 

[roner101]

well looks like John finally got some competition against his bot. Good

 

[Xyletic]

Yes, and this may lead to reduced prices for the costumers!

 

[Exi]

It may well do that - but lowering the prices for his customers isn't my intention

 

[ultrakurby]

Hello guys, Im Jurii [Sk8erboy] from RSCA, This is truly Nick [Exarctus], he has no intention to scam, All his work is truly amazing, Great guy You may not believe me because of my low post, But im known on RSCA

i doubt they are like the owners or w/e... and i agree with the first post. robotz has controlled and im glad to see others making good bots

 

[d 7 x]

I might have to test some of these.

 

[Xtream]

I am probably going to try this one since robotz one goes by hours and only on one user...

 

[robotzindisguise]

Lol, are you suggesting the mouse movements from V2 of my bot were straight lines? When you're reverse engineering, it could be more difficult to understand - but surprising enough, I've never used straight lines. They were recursive algorithms with random arc, variation, and human inaccuracies programmed in. Nick, I don't think it's foolish, because you're the only person who wrote to say there was any performance issues, I handle all customer support. What would have been foolish is if I had removed the entire auth system but pretend it's still there, which you suggested was the solution to the 'lag' issue you were getting. People may even think I'm making that up to make you look stupid lol, but it's true, I remember you said that...
No big deal Nick, I actually though it was pretty funny but I wasn't out of line not replying.

I've not used NeXus, but the consenus from people who have on these forums, seems to be it's one of the more detectable bots. That's not a quote from me, I don't know whether that's true or not, but I will say that knowing how good Jagex's detection processes are, I'd be willing to bet using this script, you've got a better chance of being banned than getting to 99 magic. I doubt the most optimistic NeXus contributer would dispute that.

Xtream - I don't recommend you use this on your main. (Xtream for example, has 21M Magic Xp so far on his main, through using my program). I never tried to suggest I own the MTA, or to stop other people botting in there, and don't plan to. I do think you are misleading people about how good your script and NeXus is, or how good or bad should I say mine is, but I don't have any problem with anything else you are doing. In the end if it's good people will buy it, if it's not people won't regardless of what we say about it. I just recommend my customers don't use it on a good account, in the same way I work so hard on my updates, which is to prevent future bans.

 

[dorianking]

Lol, are you suggesting the mouse movements from V2 of my bot were straight lines?! rofl. I guess it must be hard to understand when you're reverse engineering, inexperienced, and taking all your pointers from pplsuqballs. Nick, I certainly know you are the only person who wrote to say there were any performance issues, I deal with all customer support personally. What would have really been foolish is if I actually did remove the entire auth system but pretend it's still there, like you suggested was the magical solution. People will probably think I'm making that up to make you look like a noob, but it's true, you said it...
No big deal Nick, but I wasn't out of line not replying to you, I'm a busy guy.

I've not used NeXus, but the consenus from people who have, seems to be it's one of the most detectable bots. I don't know whether that's true but knowing Jagex, I can safely say using this script, you've got a better chance of being banned than getting to 99 magic. I doubt even the most optimistic NeXus contributer would dispute that.

Xtream - I just don't recommend you use this on your main. (Xtream has 21M Magic Xp so far on his main, through use of my program).

Robotz, I use both your Bot and Nexus and I believe that Nexus isn't the most detectable bot out there. The more advanced a script is, the less likely chance it is of being banned, however I agree that the general input of scripts within the forum are detectable and most likely to get you banned. However, the few good apples within the bunch (which are usually pay scripts) have shown great potential and I would disagree that ALL scripts within Nexus are useless. I do admit your bot is much more advanced than any script I have seen but you must remember that when you think you are the best, there is always someone out there who is better. It might not be Nick, but maybe someone else, who knows?

 

[robotzindisguise]

I don't think I'm the best, and didn't mean it to come across. I think Nick could become a good programmer, he's passionate about script writing and I can see the potential there, even though he has come to me for pointers in the past, I'm sure he's more knowledgable than I am in some areas. But I don't think it's arrogant to say, I have many more years experience than him.

Programming is such a large field, although I disagree with you dorian I think it is possible to master or reach the top in one area, but there will always be more to learn about in other areas and someone who knows more about something else than you do, even if you do reach the top in one field.

If the thread didn't mention my bot, I wouldn't have posted. I don't slate other people's work. For the record I think what he's doing is pretty good, and know nothing about the specifics of Nick's script. Just when I think what's being said about my program is misleading, I'll speak up. Ultimately people ought to find out for themselves and I'm not here to say this bot isn't any good. It's just my opinion it won't be of the incredibly high standard you need to fool Jagex - even if it is a really good bot, which I'm sure it will be.

Remember you can get away with using a detectable bot. I for one have managed to get skills into mid 90's with programs that made the mouse literally hop from point to point, but it's hard to make something that is actually human enough to go undetected, should a spot check be performed on your account.

And I only suggested my V3 mouse movements were better than what NeXus' uses because that's what I've been told by several NeXus contributers and people from RSCA who use both. But that's not my words, as I've never seen what NeXus's mouse movements are like.

 

[Exi]

What information have I mislead anyone on Robotz?

I feel the need to repeat myself because the message has yet to sink in, I encountered no technical difficulties with your script. I did on my old desktop but that was because the computer sucked, while using it on one of my laptops it worked fine. You cannot argue against my opinion because it's based from use of a working script, so stop trying.

Fact of the matter is we both want sales and the implications of favouritism are obvious. I understand your point of view but there are a multitude of things which a colour application simply cannot do.

RSCA is mostly populated by users aged between 10 and 18 and so you cannot base your scripts performance against the scripts present on Nexus simply because although we have some very good scripters, there are very few who are excellent. For that very reason you cannot take what people have told you about Nexus as its performance because they will have only seen a limited preview of its potential.

I study chemistry at oxford and have never taken a lesson in any form of programming, everything I have learnt has been in my own time and out of my own free-will so there is no doubt that you are more experienced than I. Is there any purpose in trying to berrate me Robotz? It seems a rather immature reaction to someone, probably for the first time, whos said something which isn't along the lines of "omg RID MTA is ub3r".

 

[robotzindisguise]

"RID has owned the MTA market with extortionate prices and limited performance. Two months ago I decided to take it upon myself to change this and create an affordable but superior Mage Training Arena script for the nexus /w iBot bot"
Limited performance, when you didn't experience performance issues, and the statement mine is worse than your bot are both hugely misleading statements about my bot - especially when your bot is even still in it's beta stage. It's also what you don't say that's misleading. To discard mouse movement, and how convincing a simulation of human activity a bot is, when comparing two bots, is naive to the point of deluded. The risk of being banned is something that massively offsets short term gain. This risk devalues any program, not just financially, but I also think it's the biggest cross as far as pros and cons are concerned, when you compare any two bots. I think my bot certainly has a tick in that column compared to NeXus, so it's misleading to exlude this from your assessment, but as I said before if you get 99 mage a few times over and several 100M from it without receiving a black mark, only then will you have equalled what I personally (as well as many others) have acheived with my bot.

Anyway, sorry to have taken your time, this is your thread your bot, lets talk about your bot from here.

 

[Exi]

By limitted performance, my intention was to imply that you have a limited number of things which you can do. I don't.

Your bot works very well and I didn't mean to imply that it didn't so I apologise.

 

[Val]

Cat fight... Robotz owns

 

[Xtream]

Xtream - I don't recommend you use this on your main. (Xtream for example, has 21M Magic Xp so far on his main, through using my program). I never tried to suggest I own the MTA, or to stop other people botting in there, and don't plan to. I do think you are misleading people about how good your script and NeXus is, or how good or bad should I say mine is, but I don't have any problem with anything else you are doing. In the end if it's good people will buy it, if it's not people won't regardless of what we say about it. I just recommend my customers don't use it on a good account, in the same way I work so hard on my updates, which is to prevent future bans.

True, I will most definitely stick to RID on my main and knowing that RID bot(s) are almost definitely more efficient on anti-ban functions and in simulating human movement when compared to nexus, that makes me even more confident. I guess everything's worth a try though, probably going to test it on a few accounts with lower stats.

 

[robotzindisguise]

By limitted performance, my intention was to imply that you have a limited number of things which you can do. I don't.

Your bot works very well and I didn't mean to imply that it didn't so I apologise.

You seem to have prejudice against bots that work based on color, probably because of your scripting background. It's harder for scripters to do some of the same things using color, but there is nothing you need to know when you play RuneScape that isn't on the computer screen. By this principle, everything a bot needs to know can be obtained through reading the computer screen.

Of course it's wrong to judge performance on anything other than how well the bot performs. I'd be interested in how well it does perform, but you've not given any figures. Whether you use reflection supported by color, or color alone, it's an issue for designers not a performance issue. Every design decision, stretching beyond things as small as color vs reflection, has implications on how well a bot performs. If you were to get technical in a comparison between the two, there are so many other things you'd need to take into account, that by simplifying it into the statement reflection > color, you are hugely misleading people. This is a script writer's cliche but you aren't comparing scripts, you are comparing bots and you are not a bot maker. Knowing it would be hard to perform the MTA minigames any faster than my bot (without finding a way to make your RS character run faster) I was surprised you criticised the RID bot's performance. Yours would need to perform exceptionally well to go past 88K Xp an hour in alchemy, or 300 graveyard points per hour for example, which is what you'd need just to equal the RID bot's performance.

Just to highlight taking a color approach is only as limited as the programmer, most bots that use reflection also only work on one brightness setting. V4 of the MTA bot will work regardless of brightness setting, and can view it's environment in 3D, using a combination of AI and advanced color-based screen reading algorithms.

On the subject of limitation, I could not have written my bot in the NeXus programming environment, and V3 and V4 of my bot could not even be written within the limits of the Java programming language. 98% of decision making in V4 will take place on the RID servers, which limits Jagex's ability to understand and thus identify the bot from in-game activity, and in some cases allows me to do things that would take minutes using Java, in fractions of a second, then send the results seamlessly back to the Java client software. I'd rather do without reflection, than do without the limits that are lifted by the server side technology I use. The only performance related limit I see with my bot compared to yours is, you will be able to use more than one at a time, but that's it - something I disagree with out of principle.

You speak for yourself when you say we are both just here to make sales. I could make more sales, multi-botting it, and by substituting the time I spend improving the program, with marketting, incentive schemes, additional payment methods and a good sales pitch. What motivates me, is I think bots can become undetectable, and that I know how to do it, and in the future it will become an accepted thing to use a bot in RuneScape. It's obvious bots help us, and when implemented correctly they do not harm the game any more than if people just started playing more - and this could be a good thing for the players, and RuneScape as a whole. It is ambitious, and not at all easy, but if I pull it off, more sales will follow. I don't think NeXus will detract from that, and conversely I think there will always be a market for people who want to use many bots at a time, and people who enjoy writing their own scripts.

Anyway, burying the hatchet. I could tell from the dialogue we had a few months ago you have an enthusiasm for scripting, I think I called that one right - and I'm sure even if it is simpler, and isn't undetectable, if your script performs anything near as well as my bot does, it will make sales.

 

[riipped]

You both have you're arguments; pros and cons of each bot. Sounds like an even fight, scripting vs color detection etc.

We could go on all day about who's better, but being a long term customer of RID, I will say I've been pleased so far. It did successfully get me about 16m mage exp and well over 30m gp.

This bot you're presenting though, exi, does sound very satisfying. I'll definitly stick around and see how it's doing, check out feedback from users and whatnot. And wish you the best of luck.

 

[Mark [GenoDemoN]]

MTA -- thanks for bringing into context the view of people of this community. Whats sad is most fo thoose people are basing thier opinion on a past opinion. Snow balling into saying a bot is bad. What tickles me is when they claim RSBot is less detectable, the day a bcel bot is less detectable than a reflection bot is when hell freezes over.


Im not here to agrue with you, however I want to bring something into context. You have been working on MTA for how long? Your bot only does MTA, therefor you have a very small thing to tune and focus for so inheriently it should be better right now, with fine tuning done to a script and cutting some stuff etc a script can be created to run as good or better.


I once was told months ago your mouse patterns etc look better. Keep in mind a real human's mouse path, splines yield a random curvey path that is effective. Our new mouse alogrith isnt just a spline. I would go into details but we are the only bot employing this new methood of mouse apth generation.

Here is an example... lets say you are trying to click on a npc at tile 1,1. You start moving the mouse he moved to tile 3,3 in neXus the mouse pat his automatically curved as if a human is changing direction and starts going to 3,3(if they are using the newer functions released in 19.x). All past bots go to tile 1,1 then change paths. That saves time and loks alot less bot like. Beat that.