Resolved

[DavidBowie]

Scammer's profile link: Keith
Obbytankacc

Amount scammed: https://i.imgur.com/nYT30It.png

Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: https://i.imgur.com/snEBkBC.mp4

Proof that it's their Discord: https://i.imgur.com/CTQSLbQ.mp4

Explanation of the trade: bought this account: https://i.imgur.com/8LmUjbE.png

How they scammed: firstly, the account didn't have the items shown in the image, cat missing, marks missing. but that was the least of my worries. the account was clearly not "hand trained" as they describe in their discord, but instead was a botted account. less than 24 hours of me being in ownership of the account, i wake up on sunday morning attempting to login and it's perm banned. they claim all their accounts are hand trained, yet sell accounts that have previous bot bans:

https://i.imgur.com/UjxoaUd.png
https://i.imgur.com/xoS1hhV.png
https://i.imgur.com/MkxBBe2.png

it's also extremely curious to me that as soon as i point out that the ToS does not mention anything in such regard, they go and change the ToS to include certain new sections regarding bans:
https://i.imgur.com/JYHwmEk.png
obviously these don't apply as I bought the account prior to these ToS changes, but that's extremely sketchy behaviour.

Other relevant trade screenshots:
They've hidden my tickets and queries regarding getting help with this situation. They've taken away my access to certain parts of the discord. Sketchy. https://i.imgur.com/7AvBqvO.png

here's another curiosity, the account that I purchased, if you compare the stats to the one that I was buying, the account that they delivered to me does not have the same stats as the one I bought:
https://i.imgur.com/bVqzsyE.png

see the hp level as an example.

here's a direct screenshot from the sythe listing [$300 donor] Expos Services Selling | Maxed Infernal Pures & Starter Pures | 50&60atk Cheap that ALL the accounts for sale are hand trained:

https://i.imgur.com/oLBdlBT.png

If all accounts that are for sale are hand trained, why do most of them have a previous bot ban history?

After taking all of my investigation and information to them in a ticket, they agreed that I should be refunded in 07gp.

https://i.imgur.com/cuGxAbz.png

Unfortunately, as soon as I arrived the notorious scammer Griff changed his mind and shortly after closed the ticket without conclusion. No refund, no explanation.

To investigate the situation further, I joined a botting discord "UG Plugins" so I could ask some questions regarding bans etc.

What I discovered from these cheating enthusiasts, after speaking to the founder, shocked me.

https://i.imgur.com/Ptl50q3.png

Expos are claiming I botted the account within 24 hours after receiving it and that's why it's perm banned. I've never botted on a video game and would never, especially after just spending money for a pre built account that was ready for me to play? Anyway, that's besides the point - from my discussion with this chap who has many years experience botting/creating bots, I came away from the discussion understanding that expos have evidently botted the profile and then shipped it to me to take the brunt of it.

To offer the refund suggests they know they've fucked up, to take the offer back of the refund suggests they don't want to admit it.

At no point during discussion with Expos did I request a refund, I merely wanted to understand why they're lying on their sythe thread, why they're selling botted accounts. It's now unfortunately become a matter of principle that I receive a refund, as these people are not to be reasoned with. They're misleading buyers such as myself.

• The account I purchased was falsely advertised as hand trained, yet evidence clearly points to them botting accounts. The ban occurring within 24 hours of my ownership strongly suggests prior botting activity before the sale.

• The account I received did not match the stats advertised in the sale, clearly showing that I was not given what I paid for. For example, the HP level differed from what was listed.

• Key features shown in the sale listing, such as the cat and marks of grace, were missing, further proving I was misled.

• After initially agreeing to refund me in 07gp, the seller retracted the refund offer without explanation, closed my ticket, and restricted my access to certain parts of their Discord. This is highly unprofessional and suspicious behaviour.

• The Terms of Service (ToS) were changed after my purchase to protect the seller against bans. These changes were not present at the time of my purchase and should not apply retroactively to my case.

• I sought advice from a botting expert who confirmed that bans like this don’t typically occur within 24 hours unless there was prior botting activity. This aligns with my belief that the account was botted before being sold to me.

• Their Sythe thread falsely claims that all accounts are hand trained, which is contradicted by the fact that many of their accounts have a history of bot bans. This is blatant false advertising.

• Despite presenting clear evidence and valid concerns, my ticket was dismissed without resolution. This demonstrates that they are unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.

I was scammed by Expos Services. They falsely advertised the account, delivered a mismatched and botted product, changed their ToS after the fact to avoid accountability, and reneged on their promise to refund me. Their behaviour shows clear deception and unethical practices, and I believe I am fully entitled to a refund.

edit:fixed sythe link

 

That's not Griff's Sythe account.

 

[Griff]

Hey Sythe staff.

I'm Griff. So not too sure who's profile he has linked in here You will see a pattern here of bold accusations with no back up of actual facts.

Just to give a brief overview of the Expos side as I handled the trade.

Times given are UK times.

• Customer purchased an account on Saturday approx midnight. Having agreed to the Terms of service in the ticket.
• Account was delivered in DM's and customer confirmed the account was correct and he was happy with it.
• AT 1am the customer then sent me a DM (not in ticket). Asking for a sythe PM to confirm confirmation? and was asking questions around the warranty of the account.
• When I woke up I explained I don't have access to the sythe account, but you can find the sythe account in the discord.
• The customer at this time sent me another message in DM's which has since been editted.
• Customer said account had been banned. Yet he had not been on the account and had no idea about any form of botting.
  
• I explained to the customer the accounts are hand trained, and that the account was part of a group of accounts (hence small details in levels) that were all starter pures.
  • As you can see from the screenshots provided by the customer accounts have been listed for sale since 15/10/2024
• At this point I also asked the user why if he had no idea about botting why he was in botting discords. (mutual squire) but as you can see in his screenshit he is also in UG and Ganom (Likely in plenty of others).
  
• The user stated he was not after a refund, but just wanted to understand why the ban had occured.
• I stated I was happy to assist with a ban appeal, and was happy to submit whatever he wanted me to write in the ban appeal.
• Customer was happy with this but failed to send account details.
• Customer continued to then make allegations of the account being botted and that it wasn't him.
• Customer claimed that he hadn't put membership or any GP on the account let alone play it overnight.
• Customer claimed the account had a prior ban on the account, and that it should have only received a 2 day ban not instant perm.
• Customer was offered a refund as per the screenshots he displayed. Despite our TOS stating it is the customers responsibility on account bans after purchase and account confirmation. (TOS have not been changed? Not sure where he is getting this from)
• As for all of account issues, I wanted to check to confirm the account had been banned and for what offence.
• Logged in to find:
  • Account had had GP transferred and membership added (previously told it hadn't been)
  • As I had suspected/ thought, no prior ban had ever been on the account. Screenshot of this was sent to customer showing the difference to what it would look like. (he didn't accept this as fact)
  • Customer had already appealed the offence for a ban, despite offering him assistance.
• At this point I explained to the customer as all of these steps had been made which went against all of the information he provided me, that no refund would be issued at this time.
• I informed the customer to open a ticket once the ban had been reviewed by Jagex and it would then be confirmed a plan of action.

Side note comment:

• the customer was a bellend throughout the entire conversation today, constantly providing factually incorrect information/ changing the story.
• Customer claimed throughout the entire process he had no knowledge of botting and had never done it before or partaken. Yet had supposed extensive knowledge of who 'botting experts' are and about accounts.
• Screenshot below of logging into the same batch of accounts of when it was last logged in.
• Jagex regularly ban accounts if the person has botted in the last few hours. Delayed bans do occur, but large amount of bans are 'instant'.

Expos are happy to provide any of the ticket photos that are required. Kieth is currently out of office, but can provide when he is back.

Below I have answered the customers random statements with actual facts.

• The account I purchased was falsely advertised as hand trained, yet evidence clearly points to them botting accounts. The ban occurring within 24 hours of my ownership strongly suggests prior botting activity before the sale.
• Ban did occur within 24 hours, no other account in the batch that were created by the worker were issued with any bans. Multiple other of this batch have also been sold with no issues.

• The account I received did not match the stats advertised in the sale, clearly showing that I was not given what I paid for. For example, the HP level differed from what was listed.
• Customer was asked to login to the account at the time of purchase to confirm the account. He did so,.

• Key features shown in the sale listing, such as the cat and marks of grace, were missing, further proving I was misled.
• See above

• After initially agreeing to refund me in 07gp, the seller retracted the refund offer without explanation, closed my ticket, and restricted my access to certain parts of their Discord. This is highly unprofessional and suspicious behaviour.
• See explanation above. Refund offer was withdrawn following the actually state of play V what customer had said throughout.
• Customer was told to reopen a ticket at the point of an appeal. He acknowledged this message and said he would keep the PW the same so I could check if required.
• Given how the customer had behaved he was revoked permissions in the discord to prevent the user causing any further disruption in the server. (Sanction issued by owner)

• The Terms of Service (ToS) were changed after my purchase to protect the seller against bans. These changes were not present at the time of my purchase and should not apply retroactively to my case.
• I don't think he understands how TOS work, it's built into the bot so shows 'today' because he opened the interface. No TOS have changed, and the TOS he agreed to are as per the photo he provided. Can provide the SC of this from the chat.

• I sought advice from a botting expert who confirmed that bans like this don’t typically occur within 24 hours unless there was prior botting activity. This aligns with my belief that the account was botted before being sold to me.
• User asked in a public botting discord and got an answer. Although bans do occur from delay, they are also instant on other occasions.

• The seller employs a Sythe user with a Trade with Caution (TWC) tag, which raises questions about their ethics and credibility.
• Trend of sending factually incorrect information, because that isn't me.

• Their Sythe thread falsely claims that all accounts are hand trained, which is contradicted by the fact that many of their accounts have a history of bot bans. This is blatant false advertising.
• Accounts get banned... Every discord on here will have had false bans, these accounts are clearly marked on the discord. Customer has failed to mention these are I think 4 accounts out of over 100 unique account types listed.

• Despite presenting clear evidence and valid concerns, my ticket was dismissed without resolution. This demonstrates that they are unwilling to take responsibility for their actions.
• As I said above, customer was informed of the actions. Acknowledged it. So ticket was closed.

Based on the conversation with the customer it was agreed in the ticket that upon the appeal being decided by jagex this would be looked at.

In the nicest way possible, we aren't going to loose rep over a $30 trade. So will action as the admin/mod team decide, but to our understanding we are within the TOS of the account and had agreed to assist the customer with the account who initially had accepted this help, only to later go and do his own thing.

Apologies for funky colour, edit was fixing colour as black doesn't show well

 

If staff would like to see the history logs for our ToS I'll be more than happy to show you guys, we haven't adjusted our ToS in a while.

For our ToS to be adjusted as he stated, we would have to repost the drop down in our information channel. The dropdown doesn't auto update.

I understand this report is against us but I feel like we are the ones being scammed.

 

[DavidBowie]

1. "Customer agreed to the Terms of Service in the ticket."
While I acknowledged the ToS during the purchase, the ToS does not absolve the seller of responsibility for delivering a botted account. The ban occurred almost immediately after I purchased the account, which is consistent with accounts being flagged for botting prior to purchase. The seller is attempting to use their ToS to escape responsibility for their own actions. Additionally, their claim that the ToS has not changed is misleading, as the screenshots I provided clearly show a different ToS format, which was updated after my purchase.

2. "Customer confirmed the account was correct and he was happy with it."
I'd like to see the evidence of this. Go ahead and provide it. What I can say is that I did not confirm the account at face value because I had no reason to suspect anything at the time of delivery. However, upon further inspection, I discovered the stats did not match the advertised account, as evidenced by the HP level discrepancy in the screenshots I provided. Furthermore, missing items (e.g., the cat and marks of grace) were also not disclosed, which contradicts the seller’s claim that the account was “correct.”

3. "Customer claimed he hadn't been on the account, but membership and GP were found on the account."
This is an outright lie. I never transferred GP to the account. Can you provide evidence that GP was found on the account? The account was banned the very next day, and I was unable to play the account for any meaningful amount of time. Their claim that I added GP is unsupported and appears to be fabricated to shift blame.

4. "No prior ban was on the account, as shown by screenshots."
The fact that the account was immediately permanently banned proves it had a prior history of botting, contradicting their assertion that the account was hand-trained. Don't gloss over the fact that you blatantly lie on your sythe threads about all accounts being hand trained yet the majority in your store have botting bans.

5. "Customer was in botting discords, raising suspicion."
Invalid. I joined one discord after the ban to investigate why the account I purchased had been flagged. Happy to provide join date image. I specifically sought advice from botting experts to understand the circumstances of the ban, as I have no prior experience with botting. This does not imply that I botted the account myself—it shows that I was actively trying to understand how the seller’s actions led to the ban. Attempting to shift suspicion onto me for seeking help after the fact is dishonest and irrelevant to the issue at hand.

6. "Refund offer was withdrawn after facts came to light."
This statement is misleading. The refund offer was made after I presented evidence of the false advertising and prior botting. The fact that the refund was later withdrawn without explanation only strengthens my case. If their actions were truly within the bounds of their ToS, why offer a refund in the first place? The withdrawal of the refund offer appears to be a defensive move once they realized the extent of their liability.

7. "Customer appealed the ban on their own, despite being offered help."
This is irrelevant. Whether I appealed the ban or not does not change the fact that the account was banned due to prior botting. The seller’s claim that they were willing to help with the appeal does not address the core issue: the account was botted before it was sold to me. Their willingness to assist with the appeal was a superficial gesture that does not absolve them of responsibility.

8. "Customer acknowledged the ToS and ticket was closed."
While I acknowledged the ToS, their ToS does not justify selling botted accounts while claiming they are hand-trained. Closing the ticket prematurely and revoking my Discord permissions after presenting evidence further shows their unwillingness to resolve the matter in good faith. You also can't enter/use the discord without agreeing to the old ToS.

9. "Accounts are clearly hand-trained; no other accounts from the same batch were banned."
The seller claims that no other accounts from the same batch were banned, yet they provide no evidence to support this. It is entirely possible that the other accounts are either not actively being played or will be banned later due to delayed enforcement from Jagex. The fact remains that my account was banned within 24 hours, which is a hallmark of prior botting activity. Also, explain why the majority of your accounts have previous 2 day botting bans or expired/quashed botting bans? Shall we go through the screenshots you sent me in the ticket?

10. "We aren’t going to lose rep over a $30 trade."
This is a dismissive and unprofessional statement that does not address the core issue. Regardless of the trade value, the seller has an obligation to deliver what was promised. Their refusal to honour this obligation raises serious concerns about their business practices.

My Key Points for Sythe Staff:

1. The account was falsely advertised as hand-trained, but evidence (immediate ban and prior macroing offense) strongly suggests it was botted before the sale.
2. The account delivered did not match the advertised stats or features, violating the terms of the agreement.
3. The seller initially acknowledged my concerns by offering a refund, then retracted the offer without explanation, which is suspicious and unprofessional.
4. The seller prematurely closed the ticket and revoked my Discord permissions, cutting off further communication.
5. Their claim that no ToS changes occurred contradicts the evidence I provided, showing discrepancies between the ToS at the time of purchase and their current version.
6. The seller’s attempt to shift blame onto me (claiming I added GP and botted the account) is baseless and unsupported by evidence.

The seller has failed to provide any credible evidence to refute my claims. The facts remain: the account was not as advertised, was botted prior to the sale, and was banned within 24 hours due to their actions. Their behavior throughout this dispute has been dismissive, unprofessional, and deceptive. I respectfully ask Sythe staff to hold the seller accountable.

 

[Griff]

Will wait for Sythe mods to reply. As I can't keep dealing with your huge assumptions and absolute bullshit that comes out of you.

To summarise for everyone. You purchased an account, which had no ban history and had been rested for 39 days since last being logged in.

You then added membership to the account.

You botted the account over night

You then tried to understand why it had been banned the morning when you woke up.

Didn't like the answer when we said it's because you botted.

Have since fabricated a load of information and wasted everyones time in reading your threads.

Once sythe admins reply and/or jagex handle the appeal we will sort. But won't continue to justify your existence through your consistent fabrication. You should spend your time more productively like writing fantasy novels.

 

[DavidBowie]

The seller has made baseless claims that I transferred GP, and botted the account myself, yet they have provided no evidence to support these accusations. Their claims contradict my screenshots and are clearly an attempt to deflect blame.

If they believe I botted the account, why did they offer to assist with the appeal? This further proves they are deflecting responsibility while knowing the issue was caused by their actions.

Their attempt to downplay my claim by saying they "won't lose rep over a $30 trade" shows a lack of accountability. Every customer’s trade, regardless of size, should be handled with integrity.

The Account Was Not as Advertised
Beyond the ban, the account did not meet the advertised stats or features (e.g., incorrect HP level, missing marks of grace and cat). These discrepancies were confirmed after the account was delivered, which violates the agreement.

The Seller's ToS Does Not Protect Against False Advertising
Their ToS states that bans after purchase are the buyer’s responsibility, but this clause cannot protect them from selling an account that was already botted and flagged for a delayed ban.
The ToS also does not address the discrepancies between the advertised and delivered account (e.g., incorrect stats and missing features). This is a clear breach of contract.

Discrepancy in Batch Claims
The seller claims the account was part of a "batch" of accounts. If all accounts in this batch were "starter pures," then why does my account not match the advertised stats? This further proves that they are being dishonest about their practices.

No Evidence Provided to Refute My Claims
While I have provided multiple screenshots to support my case (e.g., ToS changes, stat discrepancies, missing items, and proof of prior botting), the seller has not provided any tangible evidence to refute my claims. Their defense is based entirely on unsupported statements.

"You botted the account overnight."
This accusation is entirely false. I have never botted on any game, let alone an account I just purchased. It makes absolutely no sense for me to spend money on a pre-built account and then risk getting it banned within hours of purchase by botting. This claim is purely speculative and seems like a desperate attempt to shift blame onto me.

Furthermore, I joined a discord after the ban to investigate why the account had been flagged, as I am not familiar with botting. This does not mean I botted the account myself. Seeking advice and information is not evidence of wrongdoing, and the seller's attempt to twist this against me is both unfair and dishonest. See my screenshots, even has the green new user icon.

"You didn't like the answer when we said it's because you botted."
This is completely untrue. I disputed their claim because it is unfounded and unsupported by evidence. I provided clear screenshots and logical reasoning to explain why the ban was caused by their actions (i.e., prior botting before the sale). The seller, however, has failed to present any credible evidence to support their accusations against me. Instead, they continue to rely on insults and dismissive language, which further undermines their credibility.

"Fabricated a load of information and wasted everyone's time."
The evidence I have provided speaks for itself:

The account was permanently banned within 24 hours of purchase, consistent with prior botting activity.
Screenshots show discrepancies between the advertised and delivered account (e.g., stats and missing items).
Their ToS has been altered since my purchase, as evidenced by the differences in formatting.

The seller has not provided any proof to refute these points. Instead, they rely on personal attacks and baseless accusations, which are an attempt to discredit me rather than address the facts.

"We will sort once Sythe admins reply or Jagex handles the appeal."
This is another attempt to deflect responsibility. The fact that Jagex is reviewing the appeal is irrelevant to the issue at hand: I purchased an account that was falsely advertised as hand-trained, and it was banned due to prior botting activity. Whether or not Jagex overturns the ban does not change the fact that the seller failed to deliver what was promised.

Additionally, their refusal to address the issue directly by hiding evidence and locking me out of my own ticket where I could produce even more evidence demonstrates their unwillingness to take accountability for their actions.

"You should spend your time more productively like writing fantasy novels."
This unprofessional and insulting remark reflects poorly on the seller and does not contribute to resolving the dispute. Resorting to personal attacks only highlights their inability to provide a factual and reasonable defence.

On your Sythe listing, you clearly state that all accounts are hand-trained and sold as such—so why are you advertising and selling accounts on your Discord that have prior bans for botting? How does someone hand training an account get a botting ban? Explain please.

My Final Key Points for Sythe Staff:

The account was falsely advertised as hand-trained and was banned within 24 hours due to prior botting activity.
The seller has failed to provide any evidence to support their claims that I GP, or botted the account. These accusations are baseless and defamatory.
The evidence I provided clearly shows discrepancies between the advertised and delivered account, as well as proof that the ban was due to prior macroing offenses.
The seller initially offered a refund but later withdrew it without justification, which is both suspicious and unethical.
The seller's behavior throughout this dispute has been unprofessional, dismissive, and hostile, further demonstrating bad faith.
The seller is misleading buyers by claiming all accounts sold are hand trained - my investigation and purchase proves this is entirely false. This consitutes scamming.

 

[Griff]

Please stop using chat GPT and being so braindead.

Our TOS literally say we will help you with the appeals if something goes wrong?

As with all accounts that are mass produced small discrepancies in stats eg 1hp level might occur.

If you flag this at the time then we will fix that. However you didn’t and got the account banned.

Just posting here to confirm the customers UID is: 178229621379039241

As aware that a scam report against the customer will shortly be posted for a scam in which at the time they weren't able to ID him on sythe.

@DavidBowie A tip for when you are going to continue to scam users. Don't attempt to use the same discord for both scams.

 

[DavidBowie]

Again with the false and baseless accusations, and still we are here without proof on your side. Again, let's go over what we know from actual evidence shown.

You make a clear statement to buyers that all accounts sold are hand trained. This is contradicted by the fact many, if not all, the accounts you sell have prior bans for botting. This is something you keep glossing over, so do you care to explain why you're misleading customers such as myself?

You claim the account was rested for "39+ days", yet the login screen showing a last login time of 9 hours 34 minutes when I logged in for the first time proves this is entirely invalid.

You threaten any customer that comes to you with an issue, "goodluck finding another service discord who will take your custom" - you clearly have a personality issue, and problem handling any slight power you have in a little services/account sale discord. You're utterly unprofessional.

The reason I started this thread is because any hope of an in-house resolution was killed by yourself, whilst on one of your little power trips. You close my ticket without resolution, you ignore my queries when I ask for help and if any staff can assist in the discord, you threaten me. Let's be honest, we both know you bot accounts.

^ timing me out

^ Locking me out.

^ threatening me

I decided to investigate this even further, and came across you having ranks/profiles in multiple botting discords, and it's clear to anyone who visits yours or keiths profile on sythe, that you have a history of posting in the cheating/botting subforums. For someone that hand trains every account, (even though most accounts have a quashed/expired or 2 day temp ban) that seems very curious.

I still note and observe that you fail to produce any evidence to counter my evidence. Are you going to continue making up stories? Couldn't ID me on Sythe? Check my post history, I've been posting my discord on here that hasn't changed since I joined. I've never scammed.

^Plain sight. Nothing to hide, never scammed.

All you do is falsely accuse, thinking that will abolish you of your misleading and scamming. You have an issue with power, even though you're the most feeble here.

You managed to log into a banned account and find GP transferred onto it? That seems believable (/s). Your story changes every post. Keep making up nonsense and getting the flying monkeys to back you up.

Getting his foolish pawns to spam my profile with their nonsense. Embarrassing behaviour from an adult.

@Obbytankacc A tip for when you are going to scam and ask your friends to spam my profile on your behalf and whatever else you're planning on fabricating in your pms. Maybe do it in a channel that new users can't see:

Time and time again... Your ability to control yourself, or rather the lack thereof, is going to cost you here. You're a misleading character, who hides behind the small amount of authority you have. You bot accounts, you lie to customers about them being hand trained, you ask your friends to do your dirty work for you. It's not a good look buddy.

I've received astounding support in this edition of David vs Goliath, Good vs Evil, Batman vs Bane, whatever you want to call it. You're a dirty, lying, cheating individual.

To protect the identities of those who have been pming me on discord/sythe with further evidence supporting my claims, I've chosen to blur out certain aspects:

You can try and fake logs, fake whatever it is you're taking so long to post. The only facts are the ones I'm producing. Your entire counter reads baseless, non evidenced. I have witnesses who saw your failings. You didn't cover your tracks.

 

[Griff]

@DavidBowie Don't throw stones in glass houses.

DavidBowie (joeyjoey666) revolut chargebacked 228£

Enjoy your ban.

 

[Griff]

To Sythe mods.

I'm happy to cover the $30 to go towards the other chargeback or pay into the community pot for those who have actually been scammed to benefit.

 

Can you guys post a summary without ChatGPT please?

 

[Griff]

For the record all of my responses have been written by hand.

• Customer purchased account for $30 (agreeing to TOS)
• customer confirmed account delivery
• Customer requested sythe confirmation hours later and asking about warranty.
• Woke up and replied to get another message from customer that account had been banned. (Within 12 hours of purchase)
• Offer to assist customer with appeal if they sent me the details. reminding them of the TOS issued.
• Customer provided information that I did not believe to be factual. Customer claimed previous bans, he hadn't even added membership to the account etc
• To just solve the issues custom was offered $30 refund
• I requested the details of the account to verify customers version of events.
• Upon login, multiple things customer had claimed was factually incorrect: Membership had been added, Account had no prior offences like he stated.
• Refund was then cancelled.
• Customer informed that upon jagex appeal process to open a new ticket and issue will be resolved.
• Customer acknowledged this message confirming it.
• Ticket then closed to be reopened upon appeal
• Customer then writes a factually incorrect fantasy novel wasting everyone's time.
• At this point customer was then issued restricted access to server following open report.
  
  
  @Kanye Please let me, Kieth or another expos admin if you require any of the chat logs or server logs to support the above.

To confirm:

• No TOS have been changed in the server
• Account was part of a batch accounts that were completed 39 days ago (shown in screenshot) I can provide you with another account of the same batch to verify.
• This was all about principle and being lied to by the customer. The refund could have been easily issued as the amount is minimal. However after constant fabrication and story telling. I don't believe the customer deserves to receive any refunds.

Offer is still there to provide $30 to the pot for future scam refunds or to the scam report that has been submitted by another sythe user about the customer.

The other sythe user contacted me this morning via discord to confirm they were the same discord UID. As he wasn't previously able to ID them.


DavidBowie has been very quick to reply to all replies, but has surprisingly gone very quiet since being reported. I'm presuming his chat GPT doesn't work for this.

 

[DavidBowie]

Can you guys post a summary without ChatGPT please?

We must investigate the counterargument's discrepancies. Including the latest post.

I suggest that Obbytankacc provides some evidence for all the claims they are making in this thread. I've clearly and evidently produced fact that shows these people are manipulating and scamming their users, including myself who fell victim.

The account was falsely advertised as hand-trained and was banned within 24 hours due to prior botting activity.
The seller has failed to provide any evidence to support their claims that I added GP, and botted the account. These accusations are baseless and defamatory. In his messages, he claims that he managed to log into the account whilst it was banned and saw GP on the account. This isn't possible.
The evidence I provided clearly shows discrepancies between the advertised and delivered account.
The seller initially offered a refund but later withdrew it without justification, which is both suspicious and unethical. In his latest post, he claims that he offered a $30 refund, again, this is false.
The seller is misleading buyers by claiming all accounts sold are hand trained - my investigation and purchase proves this is entirely false. This constitutes scamming.
I've provided proof and witness statement that the ToS was changed shortly after I posted this report.
They locked me out of the discord after I complained, they deleted my tickets, and timed me out, that's why I came and made a report here.

I'm the only one who's shown any evidence of their scam/manipulation.
What have we seen from them?

The most obvious piece of evidence I've provided is that in their Sythe thread, they claim all accounts are hand trained and unbotted. ALL accounts. Go in their discord and you'll see 9/10 of the accounts have a prior ban for botting.

I bought an account for 30 USD, I log in once to check it's all good, I go to sleep, wake up, try to login, banned. Reach out for support via general chat in their discord as well as pming Griff and opening a ticket, to which they close and limit my access to the discord without resolution. They changed the ToS for god sake. It's elementary.

I'd also suggest that you read my post before this one, they are actively trying to frame me by asking their friends to deface my profile (this was before the fake scam report too) work on your timing in the future.

 

And whoever messaged you claiming we changed our ToS should be tagged and involved into this report to back their claims, our ToS has been the same for months and will remain the same.

To whoever you are, you're a brain-dead, shit disturbing piece of shit.


Google spreadsheet backup logs can't be hidden.
Both of you should ride eachother already.

 

We must investigate the counterargument's discrepancies. Including the latest post.

I suggest that Obbytankacc provides some evidence for all the claims they are making in this thread. I've clearly and evidently produced fact that shows these people are manipulating and scamming their users, including myself who fell victim.

The account was falsely advertised as hand-trained and was banned within 24 hours due to prior botting activity.
The seller has failed to provide any evidence to support their claims that I added GP, and botted the account. These accusations are baseless and defamatory. In his messages, he claims that he managed to log into the account whilst it was banned and saw GP on the account. This isn't possible.
The evidence I provided clearly shows discrepancies between the advertised and delivered account.
The seller initially offered a refund but later withdrew it without justification, which is both suspicious and unethical. In his latest post, he claims that he offered a $30 refund, again, this is false.
The seller is misleading buyers by claiming all accounts sold are hand trained - my investigation and purchase proves this is entirely false. This constitutes scamming.
I've provided proof and witness statement that the ToS was changed shortly after I posted this report.
They locked me out of the discord after I complained, they deleted my tickets, and timed me out, that's why I came and made a report here.

I'm the only one who's shown any evidence of their scam/manipulation.
What have we seen from them?

The most obvious piece of evidence I've provided is that in their Sythe thread, they claim all accounts are hand trained and unbotted. ALL accounts. Go in their discord and you'll see 9/10 of the accounts have a prior ban for botting.

I bought an account for 30 USD, I log in once to check it's all good, I go to sleep, wake up, try to login, banned. Reach out for support via general chat in their discord as well as pming Griff and opening a ticket, to which they close and limit my access to the discord without resolution. They changed the ToS for god sake. It's elementary.

I'd also suggest that you read my post before this one, they are actively trying to frame me by asking their friends to deface my profile (this was before the fake scam report too) work on your timing in the future.

The accounts above that you've mentioned have nothing to do with the account you purchased and are listed strictly within the server, not the same account build and are irrelevant with your report and purchase.

You purchased an account that was inactive for nearly 40 days with a clean ban history, jagex does not delay bans for such a long period of time.

I suggest you to stay away from any third party clients or scripts/plugins if you don't want to lose money or accounts you care about.

Jagex's bot detection system instantly banned you shortly after you started botting on the account.

You're fully responsible for any offenses the account receives after the sale. We are not here to support your botting habits.

 

Please refrain from spamming further. Any irrelevant comment/reply will just be deleted.

 

[DavidBowie]

The accounts above that you've mentioned have nothing to do with the account you purchased and are listed strictly within the server, not the same account build and are irrelevant with your report and purchase.

You purchased an account that was inactive for nearly 40 days with a clean ban history, jagex does not delay bans for such a long period of time.

I suggest you to stay away from any third party clients or scripts/plugins if you don't want to lose money or accounts you care about.

Jagex's bot detection system instantly banned you shortly after you started botting on the account.

You're fully responsible for any offenses the account receives after the sale. We are not here to support your botting habits.

Inactive for 40 days, yet here's the login window:

Happy to provide direct timing evidence to when this was taken, it matches when acc details were delivered.

Keep lying through your toenails. You sell botted accounts. The account was not inactive. Your history of claiming ALL accounts sold by Expos are hand trained, has already been proven as false. Stop misleading your customers.

Your workers bot the accounts you sell.

 

I don't bot, and the accounts I've mentioned are a snippet of the whole situation. You bot accounts. You sell accounts that are botted with previous bot bans. You claim ALL accounts sold are hand trained. That is a lie.

Are you able to comprehend these basic sentences? You are lying to your customers, claiming that all of your accounts are hand trained, when there is clear evidence of you botting accounts. This is something I have found proof on that cannot be denied. You have zero evidence to back up your false claims. In the spirit of keeping things amicable, I'll write a short snippet in your tone that you might be able to comprehend:


You're a brain-dead, rat fuck, untruthful, deceptive spastic cunt who bots accounts and sells them as hand trained.

Our accounts listed as hand trained are indeed hand trained by our account builder, we have chat logs and proof of transactions with our builder. I will not leak the identity of our account builder to the public but if @Kanye wants to know who it is, he will privately be provided the proof of who it is.

If you look even further you'll notice we were recently scammed for $2,275 by an account builder.
JIO CINEMA - $2,275 USD

We don't own the tools to build accounts and further more would not have the time to monitor it, we pay our workers to build our accounts.

If you open your eyes, you'll realize I run a servicing discord with 45+ active workers.

 

[DavidBowie]

Our accounts listed as hand trained are indeed hand trained by our account builder, we have chat logs and proof of transactions with our builders. I will not leak the identity of our account builder to the public but if @Kanye wants to know who it is, he will privately be provided the proof of who it is.

If you look even further you'll notice we were recently scammed for $2,275 by an account builder.
JIO CINEMA - $2,275 USD

We don't own the tools to build accounts and further more would not have the time to monitor it, we pay our workers to build our accounts.

If you open your eyes, you'll realize I run a servicing discord with 45+ active workers.

I care not to discuss your bought discord and service business. I am here to discuss you misleading your customers into believing all accounts are hand trained, when this is not the case and you know it. Let's keep glossing over the fact that the majority of the accounts in your discord have a temp ban or a quashed/expired ban for botting. That doesn't happen by accident, I'm afraid your workers are botting your accounts, which you obviously know but choose to play the fool.

Lest not forget, you are the one with a history of posts within the botting community: