Resolved

Profile link: https://www.sythe.org/members/theglacier-com.1517414/
Amount : Unfinished work
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: 893433330664624138 | glacier147
Proof that it's their Discord: Screen capture - 7570bf80986fadeaa4adc61f08d92cee - Gyazo

Explanation of the trade: We had agreed on a TOB package order on the 15th of April. He said the order will be finished within 3-4 bonds. 1.5 months according to @TheGlacier.com. This however was not fulfilled as promised. In May things started changing. His communication got worse and he would constantly give me promises to receive an update and it would take days before he would actually provide said update. The progress took a nose dive and the client has been very frustrated (and understandably so) and it was quite hard to get any info from Glacier on what is happening. It wasn't until the 17th (2 months and 2 days after the job was assigned) that I had to reassign it because the work progress showed no improvement and it was quite hard getting a hold of glacier if at all.
How they scammed: Unfinished work, failed promises.
Other relevant trade screenshots:

* Timeframe that was agreed upon - Screenshot - 3b509bbbcf7aae675d3912297367ed56 - Gyazo
* One month after the job was assigned, things started going down hill. He said all levels are done only the elite void requirements left on the 17th of May. Also on the 22nd of May I find out only one level of thieving has been gained in 5 days - Screenshot - b3fce46c4954ac0e1a613833c8c028a7 - Gyazo
* 22nd May, took him 4 days to send screenshots. He also said here that he will finish within 16 days (1 bond) - Screenshot - 809c2735a24f8efe4fe387c2c6001bbc - Gyazo
* More than a week passes by, he gained 69-70 mining and 15-68 thieving. That is as slow as you can get. I also warned him that if he doesn't improve in the next three days, the job will be reassigned. I didn't get a hold of him at all at this point. I was getting worried and was ready to reassign the job - Screenshot - cad107eebd47c50dca557da1b6a84b21 - Gyazo | Screenshot - 0059bd429008eea094d7d73bcdc45aa3 - Gyazo
* 6th of May he says he wants another 14 days to finish it. I msg him again on the 13th and I don't hear anything. It wasn't until the 15th that I get an answer - Screenshot - 200de20e3c053f9a1ed038e7aa7dbd6b - Gyazo
* Our last interaction - Screenshot - 8a8a2c7f9784c87f56accdcaa6cdd450 - Gyazo
* These were the stats when the customer changed his passwords awaiting reassignments to a different worker - Screenshot - 5f071b876c50d436206d78c0dda3cc7a - Gyazo

*** TOS that was agreed upon : Screenshot - 6e1b35786ce3572428f0a4f9751fe538 - Gyazo

My manager also checked the accounts and there loads of quests, skills and requirements missing and far from being done.

Today he messaged me and asked for his payment. In my opinion he is not entitled to any compensation for not fulfilling the work within the agreed time. All the screenshots show the poor progress he's made and there was no signs of him of finishing the job any time soon.
Just the icing on the cake, it took him 4-5 days to realize he was kicked out of the server and the passwords were changed. This + the fact that the client reported that the last login on the accounts was "2 days ago" when he changed the passwords shows that he had no intention of finishing this anytime soon. Screenshot - 9e4b97a478676292d02a22acfd1f2ce9 - Gyazo

With all the evidence provided, is he entitled to any form of compensation? Looking for a staff member to settle this as I believe he broke the TOS and other agreements that were made which does not entitle him to any payment.

 

[TheGlacier.com]

Hey everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. First of all I would like to start by saying that he said that the account will not be logged in for two days.
This was the reason

If I were in the channel, I could show you how he tried to force me I do this work and after listening to his prices, I didn't do his job and he threatened me that I would kick you out of the server if you didn't do it. I didn't even reply to him for about 5/6 days because I didn't want this account
If he thinks about it, he will realize that the 3/4 memberships I mentioned were regular void, but not elite void .

When I completed his other levels, I told him that elite void will not be done by me, regular void I will do it to you. So he forced me and raised the price too, if you build it as soon as possible I will pay you more. I was celebrating eid and back then they changed password and almost elite void requirements were about to be completed.
Own use gold & membership I was trying my best and his term condition was also 2023. Earlier he used to give me accounts and sent tos again saying whether you are agree or not, this time he didn't do that either. It should pay me according to my work as much.
I hope you all understand (Thanks)

 

Hey everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. First of all I would like to start by saying that he said that the account will not be logged in for two days.
This was the reason

If I were in the channel, I could show you how he tried to force me I do this work and after listening to his prices, I didn't do his job and he threatened me that I would kick you out of the server if you didn't do it. I didn't even reply to him for about 5/6 days because I didn't want this account
If he thinks about it, he will realize that the 3/4 memberships I mentioned were regular void, but not elite void .

When I completed his other levels, I told him that elite void will not be done by me, regular void I will do it to you. So he forced me and raised the price too, if you build it as soon as possible I will pay you more. I was celebrating eid and back then they changed password and almost elite void requirements were about to be completed.
Own use gold & membership I was trying my best and his term condition was also 2023. Earlier he used to give me accounts and sent tos again saying whether you are agree or not, this time he didn't do that either. It should pay me according to my work as much.
I hope you all understand (Thanks)

Oh boy, we're starting off with lies... okay...

When I first learned about the interest in TOB accounts, I informed him and I said ELITE void, he said he was interested and we were negotiating a price afterwards. Screenshot - 3269dddff8fbcac1d95066bed16daed9 - Gyazo
He further confirms how long it will take as by my original post - Screenshot - c7bc676ff7762076a3e01d374ccf9812 - Gyazo
Me telling him that the accounts must have ELITE void, him acknowledging it - Screenshot - 3eeb25f9ea013b4a33438ff10f8b56c2 - Gyazo

The icing on the cake here is, I asked him after how much he would do REGULAR void for because I assumed its cheaper and quicker. He SPECIFICALLY turned down regular void and said "I do elite dear" - Screenshot - 854603fed4f22c7b25e1e2bb3cb4fb2d - Gyazo

When the client placed the order for elite void package, I asked him if he is interested in the order, no forcing whatsoever. I also reminded him several times that its ELITE VOID - Screenshot - b1d5942213606151404c6af9c01458df - Gyazo

It wasn't until nearly a month later where he started complaining about the requirements of elite void. What kind of professional builder doesn't know the requirements for the accounts he SPECIFICALLY asked for and starts complaining? I told him this afterwards. When he expressed frustration I offered added payment if we were to finish fast or at least within the agreed timeframe. I did NOT have to do this, but because I'm trying to make him and the client happy I offered more money nearly a month AFTER. - Screenshot - 6cca66211705b25f880d3b1c6c822983 - Gyazo
Now he starts getting dodgy and wants to change the order a MONTH after the job was assigned and wants to make it into regular void instead - Screenshot - b3c853fee5475f76127547e3403b6c7d - Gyazo


So, we've established that he's lazy, doesn't finish in time and unprofessional. Now we have established that he's a liar on multiple levels.

 

[TheGlacier.com]

Oh boy, we're starting off with lies... okay...

When I first learned about the interest in TOB accounts, I informed him and I said ELITE void, he said he was interested and we were negotiating a price afterwards. Screenshot - 3269dddff8fbcac1d95066bed16daed9 - Gyazo
He further confirms how long it will take as by my original post - Screenshot - c7bc676ff7762076a3e01d374ccf9812 - Gyazo
Me telling him that the accounts must have ELITE void, him acknowledging it - Screenshot - 3eeb25f9ea013b4a33438ff10f8b56c2 - Gyazo

The icing on the cake here is, I asked him after how much he would do REGULAR void for because I assumed its cheaper and quicker. He SPECIFICALLY turned down regular void and said "I do elite dear" - Screenshot - 854603fed4f22c7b25e1e2bb3cb4fb2d - Gyazo

When the client placed the order for elite void package, I asked him if he is interested in the order, no forcing whatsoever. I also reminded him several times that its ELITE VOID - Screenshot - b1d5942213606151404c6af9c01458df - Gyazo

It wasn't until nearly a month later where he started complaining about the requirements of elite void. What kind of professional builder doesn't know the requirements for the accounts he SPECIFICALLY asked for and starts complaining? I told him this afterwards. When he expressed frustration I offered added payment if we were to finish fast or at least within the agreed timeframe. I did NOT have to do this, but because I'm trying to make him and the client happy I offered more money nearly a month AFTER. - Screenshot - 6cca66211705b25f880d3b1c6c822983 - Gyazo
Now he starts getting dodgy and wants to change the order a MONTH after the job was assigned and wants to make it into regular void instead - Screenshot - b3c853fee5475f76127547e3403b6c7d - Gyazo


So, we've established that he's lazy, doesn't finish in time and unprofessional. Now we have established that he's a liar on multiple levels.

Add me to the channel and I'll talk to you and Sythe staff with proof.

 

Hello @Oracle - I have reviewed some key points in the worker Terms of Service agreed upon by you and @TheGlacier.com below;

Spoiler: ToS

• Unfinished work won't be paid, you will be paid once the job is over.

While the job was unfinished at the time you reassigned it, there is nothing in the Terms of Service that states exactly when a job would be reassigned to another worker.

• Provide regular updates

Regular updates is pretty vague and subjective here, and there is nothing stating what the outcome would be if 'regular updates' were not provided.


After discussing this with other Staff; @Oracle you may choose one of the following options;

• Have @TheGlacier.com finish the job.
• Compensate @TheGlacier.com for the work that was completed before the job was reassigned.

 

Hello @Oracle - I have reviewed some key points in the worker Terms of Service agreed upon by you and @TheGlacier.com below;

Spoiler: ToS

• Unfinished work won't be paid, you will be paid once the job is over.

While the job was unfinished at the time you reassigned it, there is nothing in the Terms of Service that states exactly when a job would be reassigned to another worker.

• Provide regular updates

Regular updates is pretty vague and subjective here, and there is nothing stating what the outcome would be if 'regular updates' were not provided.


After discussing this with other Staff; @Oracle you may choose one of the following options;

• Have @TheGlacier.com finish the job.
• Compensate @TheGlacier.com for the work that was completed before the job was reassigned.

Kind of silly that you're not even considering the fact that he promised a timeline on several occasions that was not fulfilled. How is that not breaking an agreement?

Furthermore, the guy is a proven liar yet you're simply choosing to ignore that. He promised a certain build within a specified timeline that he gave me and that hasn't been fulfilled on his end. Is that acceptable?

 

[TheGlacier.com]

Hello @Oracle - I have reviewed some key points in the worker Terms of Service agreed upon by you and @TheGlacier.com below;

Spoiler: ToS

• Unfinished work won't be paid, you will be paid once the job is over.

While the job was unfinished at the time you reassigned it, there is nothing in the Terms of Service that states exactly when a job would be reassigned to another worker.

• Provide regular updates

Regular updates is pretty vague and subjective here, and there is nothing stating what the outcome would be if 'regular updates' were not provided.


After discussing this with other Staff; @Oracle you may choose one of the following options;

• Have @TheGlacier.com finish the job.
• Compensate @TheGlacier.com for the work that was completed before the job was reassigned.

Elite Void Requirements

Last Update

Left Stats
2 Levels Thieving
34 Levels Farming
31 Levels Construction
64 Levels Magic

 

[TheGlacier.com]

Kind of silly that you're not even considering the fact that he promised a timeline on several occasions that was not fulfilled. How is that not breaking an agreement?

Furthermore, the guy is a proven liar yet you're simply choosing to ignore that. He promised a certain build within a specified timeline that he gave me and that hasn't been fulfilled on his end. Is that acceptable?

I already tell you add me in Channel I'll give you prove. And i already tell you i do first time Elite Void i don't have experience.

 

Hello @Oracle - I have reviewed some key points in the worker Terms of Service agreed upon by you and @TheGlacier.com below;

Spoiler: ToS

• Unfinished work won't be paid, you will be paid once the job is over.

While the job was unfinished at the time you reassigned it, there is nothing in the Terms of Service that states exactly when a job would be reassigned to another worker.

• Provide regular updates

Regular updates is pretty vague and subjective here, and there is nothing stating what the outcome would be if 'regular updates' were not provided.


After discussing this with other Staff; @Oracle you may choose one of the following options;

• Have @TheGlacier.com finish the job.
• Compensate @TheGlacier.com for the work that was completed before the job was reassigned.

Just to have this in the official report and not just the discord.

The issue here is before I assigned him the job, he repeatedly advertised and described what the product will be AND what the timeframe is. He didn't say "maybe around 3-4 memberships" or "I don't know how long." He specified the parameters on more than one occasion BEFORE I assigned the job. So he was fully aware of what he was doing because he wanted the the job and he advertised it as such. "Elite void, within 3-4 memberships". Not ifs, not maybes. WITHIN. If he said this once we could dismiss it as unintentional, mistake or whatever. But he confirmed this over and over again until he got the job.

The product he delivered within 3-4 months is not what was described. No elite void, no regular void, bunch of skills and quests missing on all three accounts. This is simply false advertisement and isn't what I requested or what he promised.

 

Kind of silly that you're not even considering the fact that he promised a timeline on several occasions that was not fulfilled. How is that not breaking an agreement?

Furthermore, the guy is a proven liar yet you're simply choosing to ignore that. He promised a certain build within a specified timeline that he gave me and that hasn't been fulfilled on his end. Is that acceptable?

While you are correct that @TheGlacier.com did state that he could do the job in 3-4 memberships, there is nothing in writing that states what would occur if the job went over that timeline, so that leaves us with your original worker's Terms of Service to refer to, which has been noted in my post above and the decision was made based on that.

 

[TheGlacier.com]

While you are correct that @TheGlacier.com did state that he could do the job in 3-4 memberships, there is nothing in writing that states what would occur if the job went over that timeline, so that leaves us with your original worker's Terms of Service to refer to, which has been noted in my post above and the decision was made based on that.

Can you tell him to add me to the channel? Only for 10 Minutes

 

While you are correct that @TheGlacier.com did state that he could do the job in 3-4 memberships, there is nothing in writing that states what would occur if the job went over that timeline, so that leaves us with your original worker's Terms of Service to refer to, which has been noted in my post above and the decision was made based on that.

I think you're setting a very dangerous precedent. It is common sense that if a product isn't delivered as described then it is false advertisement. What would've happened here if I paid him in advance and he did not deliver the job as promised? He'd be required to provide a refund as it isn't as described. You know this and every other member in here knows this.
You're also not making any comments on the fact that he lied in this report on several occasions and there has been no repercussions or as little as acknowledging the fact that he lied.


In order for me to agree on one or the other, I need an answer on the following:
- If I'm going to let him finish the job, how much more is it going to take? Because we're past 3-4 membership now.
- If I go with option 2, how much should I be compensating him? The agreed amount was [REDACTED] for each account for a total of [REDACTED]. I offered to increase the price to [REDACTED] while the job was in progress on the grounds that he finish it fast and at least within the agreed timeframe which has now been passed.

He has also lied AGAIN on what is left to do on the accounts in his last post.

The agreed description of the job:

Spoiler

What is actually missing as reported by my manager:
Account 1 & 2 (note: He completed lost city on account 2)-
Quests:

Spoiler

• Priest In Peril • Lost City • Big Chompy Bird Hunting • Rune Mysteries • The Grand Tree • Monkey Madness 1 • Eagles' Peak • Roving Elves • Swan Song • Regicide • Underground Pass • Biohazard • Plague City • Holy Grail • One Small Favour • Murder Mystery • Black Knights' Fortress • King'S Ransom • Merlin'S Crystal • Shilo Village • Sheep Herder • Druidic Ritual • the eye of glouphrie

Skills:

Spoiler

smithing 1-30, herblore 3-18, fletching 1-20, construction 1-65, farming 1-68, thieving 74-75, magic 1-64

Other requirements:

Spoiler

1650 void points (even regular void wasn't completed), Nothing > Dragon defender, Fire cape. Easy, Medium & Hard Western requirements.

Account 3 -
Quests:

Spoiler

• Priest In Peril • Big Chompy Bird Hunting • Rune Mysteries • The Grand Tree • Monkey Madness 1 • Eagles' Peak • Roving Elves • Swan Song • Regicide • Underground Pass • Biohazard • Plague City • Holy Grail • One Small Favour • Murder Mystery • Black Knights' Fortress • King'S Ransom • Merlin'S Crystal • Shilo Village • Sheep Herder • Druidic Ritual • Desert Treasure • Temple Of Ikov • Troll Stronghold • Death Plateau • The Tourist Trap • The Dig Site • The eye of glouphrie

Skills:

Spoiler

smithing 1-30, herblore 3-18, fletching 1-20, construction 34-65, farming 34-68, magic 1-95, slayer 9-10

Other requirements:

Spoiler

1650 void points, Nothing > Dragon defender, Fire cape, MA2 cape. Easy, Medium & Hard Western requirements.

Side note - Paying for these requirements individually will cost me more than the package price agreed with Glacier. Just wanted to mention this.

 

[TheGlacier.com]

Elite Void Requirements

Last Update

Left Stats
2 Levels Thieving
34 Levels Farming
31 Levels Construction
64 Levels Magic

I just showing Elite Void Requirements

 

I think you're setting a very dangerous precedent. It is common sense that if a product isn't delivered as described then it is false advertisement. What would've happened here if I paid him in advance and he did not deliver the job as promised? He'd be required to provide a refund as it isn't as described. You know this and every other member in here knows this.

I can only make a decision based on the terms of service you provided here.

• "Unfinished work will not be paid, you will be paid once the job is over"
• "Provide regular updates"

1) The worker was still working on the account at the time it was reassigned, and there is nothing in your terms of service or the conversation in which the worker states 3-4 memberships for completion, that states what would happen if the job were to go over the deadline.

You're also not making any comments on the fact that he lied in this report on several occasions and there has been no repercussions or as little as acknowledging the fact that he lied.

@TheGlacier.com did not meet the deadline that he provided and did in fact lie about the stats on the account being completed on 5/17/2024.

Regarding this, @TheGlacier.com has been issued a TWC (Trade With Caution) for poor trading practices.

In order for me to agree on one or the other, I need an answer on the following:
- If I'm going to let him finish the job, how much more is it going to take? Because we're past 3-4 membership now.
- If I go with option 2, how much should I be compensating him? The agreed amount was [REDACTED] for each account for a total of [REDACTED]. I offered to increase the price to [REDACTED] while the job was in progress on the grounds that he finish it fast and at least within the agreed timeframe which has now been passed.

You are free to negotiate these terms with @TheGlacier.com. If you are unable to come to an agreement together then Staff can step in here.

 

I can only make a decision based on the terms of service you provided here.

• "Unfinished work will not be paid, you will be paid once the job is over"
• "Provide regular updates"

1) The worker was still working on the account at the time it was reassigned, and there is nothing in your terms of service or the conversation in which the worker states 3-4 memberships for completion, that states what would happen if the job were to go over the deadline.




@TheGlacier.com did not meet the deadline that he provided and did in fact lie about the stats on the account being completed on 5/17/2024.

Regarding this, @TheGlacier.com has been issued a TWC (Trade With Caution) for poor trading practices.




You are free to negotiate these terms with @TheGlacier.com. If you are unable to come to an agreement together then Staff can step in here.

You're the one who put these options on the table without more information on what each entails. I need to know my options before I decide.

 

You're the one who put these options on the table without more information on what each entails. I need to know my options before I decide.

Your options are to let him finish the job or negotiate an agreement with him for compensation for the work he has completed on the accounts.

 

[TheGlacier.com]

Your options are to let him finish the job or negotiate an agreement with him for compensation for the work he has completed on the accounts.

75% work has been completed by me. just pay me

 

Your options are to let him finish the job or negotiate an agreement with him for compensation for the work he has completed on the accounts.

I mean this guy has to be trolling. This is a joke. I tried to negotiate with him on completing the accounts as that is the simplest and most straightforward thing.

He wants 50 MORE DAYS to complete the job that he REPEATEDLY said will take 3-4 memberships initially.

And just a reminder, part of our last conversation (6th June) he said he needs 14 more days. Now he wants 50 more days. 50....EDIT: Forgot the screenshot

He clearly does not want to complete this job. Are we just going to let this joke continue?

 

@TheGlacier.com @Oracle
Are you able to come to an agreement on compensation for the work that has been completed?


If not, @Oracle can you please provide the uncensored conversations of the agreement on the package price?

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@TheGlacier.com @Oracle
Are you able to come to an agreement on compensation for the work that has been completed?


If not, @Oracle can you please provide the uncensored conversations of the agreement on the package price?

An agreement for compensation has been reached. I'll be sending over the money tonight.


As closing words, I think it is pretty dangerous and its very concerning that we let people break WRITTEN agreements and lie on reports on numerous occasions and staff won't acknowledge this or weigh any of the evidence involved before making a decision just because the TOS didn't outline consequences for pretty common sense shit.