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[Sephiroth]

My suggestion is to allow a DNT to have a trial period for a year or so after having the DNT rank for a year+ or however long.

This trial period will allow the DNT to be able to trade again within the markets but have a TWC rank during the trial period. Allowing the previous DNT to prove that they have changed.

I've been DNT'd for a year+ already and I feel like I haven't really had a chance to prove I am no longer a scammer and I believe being able to buy/sell within the market will allow me to prove this. The TWC rank will also let other users know to be careful.

If a user breaks any rules within this trial period then they can be banned permanently and not be able to request a pardon in the future.

Also this trial period would only apply to those serious about being pardoned and those who have shown growth within their DNT time.

I believe that is what the TWC does and provides for others.

Unless I'm wrong I believe a TWC user can still use the marketplace.

 

No this is stupid and provides unnecessary risk to the member of the community

 

[Robiiiiin]

Make no sense, no thanks, don't get a DNT.

No.

 

[Robiiiiin]

Actually i suggest a DNT user shouldn't be able to make a suggestion to the forums, not like they contribute.

Don't get DNT'd.

 

[Potatobotter25]

No support

Lots of irl factors can affect your decision to stop scamming. You can say you won't scam all you want but maybe one day you're down bad gambling and u decide to make a quick buck by offering to sell someone your collection of 10m monkey nuts on osrs
If you want to trade again should just pay off your debts and request a pardon like everyone else
BTW people who try to ban evade before requesting a pardon clearly aren't sorry for what they did and will just scam again

 

No this is stupid and provides unnecessary risk to the member of the community

These aren't unnecessary risks though. These are people who are trying to prove themselves. If someone requesting a pardon is serious about getting unbanned then I don't see why they would ruin that chance when they could just ban evade and scam that way?

 

These aren't unnecessary risks though. These are people who are trying to prove themselves. If someone requesting a pardon is serious about getting unbanned then I don't see why they would ruin that chance when they could just ban evade and scam that way?

I quickly glanced over your pardon request which seemed to have 60 (???) accounts listed with a good 1/4th of which have been banned for multiple cases of scamming, attempting scamming, ban evasion, fake vouching, and account purchasing.

Maybe this is just me but that seems like a crazy amount of instances of rule breaking and it'd make sense for there to be quite a delay before wanting to reintegrate someone back into the community so soon. This many offences also shows the potential for someone falling off the deep end and going through great lengths to be malicious.

DNT's aren't handed out lightly, and there is already a pardon system in place. Prove you've changed and the rest will fall into place. DNT's are ultimately placed onto users to protect the rest of the community, and the initiative to change/fix the situation is in the DNT'ed users hands.

If you're growing impatient to the point where you feel the need to make nitpicked suggestions for your benefit, perhaps a pardon isn't for you.

 

These aren't unnecessary risks though. These are people who are trying to prove themselves. If someone requesting a pardon is serious about getting unbanned then I don't see why they would ruin that chance when they could just ban evade and scam that way?

The reason for voting on a pardon is to see when staff believe a member diverse the opportunity to return the community, it's up to them when they feel a member is able to return, if they deny your pardon, it is because they don't feel like your fit to return to the community, making another gateway doesn't really make sense, that point of DNT having lower pardon time then banned users, essentially the system your request is already in place, just without trading part. You can prove yourself by being active in discord, on the forums etc, many people have done so in the past.

for what it is worth it is nothing personal, the reason you're having such difficulty pardoning is that seer amount of offense for one, and #2 you were cdt member (I think you were cdt leader at the time, correct me if I am wrong), your not going to have easy ride pardoning, as would I if I were banned right now, as I am cdt member, bond holder, and ex-staff member, higher name user tend to have harder time pardoning, I actually say my time would be more difficult then yours, and it should be.

final note if I was still staff I would have voted yes on your pardon as your last offense was 4 years ago, so my reply is nothing person, I am thinking of all DNT's as a whole. not just you, so my second paragraph was to give you a perspective of what I would have thought your pardon.

Actually i suggest a DNT user shouldn't be able to make a suggestion to the forums, not like they contribute.

Don't get DNT'd.

There been a lot of DNT members who contributed highly to the community and in suggestion section in past

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Edit: For what it worth conditional pardons uses to be a thing, were users be allowed back with twc (this was before DNT) or with certain thing met, they were removed later on for some reason, I am not sure of exact reason

 

Yeah support (sarcasm)

Lets just give someone who vaded on 50 accounts,bought sythe accounts,scammed on multiple accounts trial TWC rank for 1 year i mean what could possibly go wrong am i fucking right ?

Lmao no support

Wanna know how you will prove you changed after 3 years after your 9th pardon being denied if you will still come back and make 10th pardon that will prove that you really wanna return.

 

[Bert]

Sorry, I don't agree with your thoughts and suggestion for many reasons. Keep pardoning and I wish you luck. @Katana

To put it short, a dnt rank is there for a reason to post a pardon to get accepted or denied, a twc is a completely different rank where you can still trade which completley contradicts the dnt rank. How would a dnt be given a trial period to trade without their pardon being accepted? It literally says DO NOT TRADE.

 

My suggestion is to allow a DNT to have a trial period for a year or so after having the DNT rank for a year+ or however long.

This trial period will allow the DNT to be able to trade again within the markets but have a TWC rank during the trial period. Allowing the previous DNT to prove that they have changed.

I've been DNT'd for a year+ already and I feel like I haven't really had a chance to prove I am no longer a scammer and I believe being able to buy/sell within the market will allow me to prove this. The TWC rank will also let other users know to be careful.

If a user breaks any rules within this trial period then they can be banned permanently and not be able to request a pardon in the future.

Also this trial period would only apply to those serious about being pardoned and those who have shown growth within their DNT time.

I'm sorry but no. I can't agree with this, in your case in particular you've admitted scamming, evasion, and self vouching. You have an entire list of usernames and threads against you to boot. I prefer that you prove yourself by properly pardoning and I am not trying to be harsh so don't get me wrong.. But who's to say a user just won't disappear for a year.. Come back and then scam again? Even with a TWC.

 

Seems to be a suggestion for your specific scenario only (basically).

There's an essay of accounts in your pardon with TONS of accounts listed. Would only be fair to see essays of pardon requests with TONS of pardons requested.

 

You guys are right. It was just a dumb thought honestly. I just felt like I am not showing people who I really am through just posting. At the end of the day its not that big of a deal and I can sit through more pardons.

Mod please close thread.

 

You guys are right. It was just a dumb thought honestly. I just felt like I am not showing people who I really am through just posting. At the end of the day its not that big of a deal and I can sit through more pardons.

Mod please close thread.

Right, i'm going to say this because I know me and you have always been cool since you came back on the scene and I feel it's only fair as someone who i'd like to hope you think wont shit on you for once being a bit of a dick

- Think of it how it was for me, 2 years appealing (well just past) once every 6 months, we survive this wait because the wait is better than the short straw and in such cases being a dumbass and ban evading etc you know?

Saying you was a kid in school and had all the time in the world, and then also making threads like this one although it's showing you want to get back to where you once was, isn't reflecting on the person you are now but instead trying to rush the process.

I know you have appealed a good few times, and trust me man I know it sucks donkey balls. I've been IP banned on OSBot for example, I had 1063 feedback there while I was growing my shit here you know? I was a mod and everything, all wiped so I have to restart lol. I ain't got time for that now days, but i'm still there people still know me and who I am and people will do the same for you, we need to get you out of this meme situation where it's like right I gotta be back and just be back when you're back.

Hang in there man, all good things come to those who wait.

 

[Bert]

You guys are right. It was just a dumb thought honestly. I just felt like I am not showing people who I really am through just posting. At the end of the day its not that big of a deal and I can sit through more pardons.

Mod please close thread.

It's okay, it was an idea that was on your mind and you posted; there is nothing wrong with that. Once again I wish you luck; stay active on forums and discord and I hope to see you as a non dnt member on forums soon.

 

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