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[Divx]

Translated to English.
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Barb: Do you remember the 99 mining and 99 agility acc
Barb: Did it have original email?

Me: What do you mean? It was unregistered
Me: So the original email is mine
Barb: Ohhh

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Me: I totally understand, i am trying my best.
Him: I'd rather have the account back, then a refund.
Him: I have put over 200+ hours

 

I have attempted 3 recovery attempts,

2 from my house (I moved houses last month)
and 1 from my workers location who trained the account

all 3 have been denied =/

I am sorry for your loss

 

[Barb_dis]

I have attempted 3 recovery attempts,

2 from my house (I moved houses last month)
and 1 from my workers location who made the account

all 3 have been denied =/

I am sorry for your loss

thanks man.. but i guess that's how it is... almost 300 $ gone, and the account is gone... and the scammer divX will mose likely get away with no punishment, and he can keep continue his thing over and over.. well i did my part and warned people it's up to them. it also saddens me to see that the TOS is not taking seriously at all...

 

[Barb_dis]

I have attempted 3 recovery attempts,

2 from my house (I moved houses last month)
and 1 from my workers location who trained the account

all 3 have been denied =/

I am sorry for your loss

thanks again, i really appreciate the help and time and effort you put into this..

 

[Barb_dis]

"All accounts are recoverable!

Always be cautious with account trades, even if you are using a middleman. Remember, accounts can always be recovered, so even if the trade goes smoothly, there's nothing stopping the original owner from recovering the account down the track, leaving you out of pocket, and without an account."

this is the rules of account selling in sythe, which means divX is abel to recover and has already recovered the account but neglating it.

 

[Divx]

Sent to Yoshiki in Private, but in the event some other Moderator reads this.


I find it very suspicious after the fact, that on August 5th, 2022. Barb_Dis asked me regarding the email status of the account. (Registered email was already transfered to him)

I dont know why he'd ask this, but heres my scenarios;

1. He wanted to sell the account, but potentially scam me and/or the buyer of said account. Asking me to recover/refund him, and if i recovered screwing over the guy who bought it.

2. Claims to have been hacked, which i wouldn't be surprised about, considering this..


Further more, as I have stated in the report, his email were hacked, therefore has nothing to do with Corby. I tried to help Barb_Dis with getting all the information I had laying around for the account, and when he wasnt succesfull in recovering the account, I gave my best to do it.

I even went out of my way to contact Corby, in the hopes, that would help.

Despite even using the very same email account, that the account was ''originally'' registered to (was unregistered when i bought it), it was denied.

He also claims in his report, that he got +800 hours of work into the account, which is a blatant lie.

(Proof that the Gyazo link i am giving you, is the same that I provided Barb_Dis with)

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The Gyazo I gave to Barb_Dis
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He even told me, on Facebook that he invested +200 hours after buying the account, which again is a blatant lie.

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Just to prove that this is a lie.. These are the very stats of the account, right now.
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1. There is alot of holes in his story, that i cannot stop to think twice about, when he first messaged me that his account had gotten hacked, i didnt think about this. It was actually first till I starting re-reading my messages with him multiple times, that i kept finding weird stuff.
2. These stats are what is different Original - After
3. 81 - 82 Str
4. 57 - 71 Ranged
5. 77 - 78 Magic
6. 28 - 31 Runecrafting
7. 76 - 78 Hitpoints
8. 58 - 59 Herblore
9. 45 - 53 Thieving
10. 66 - 67 Crafting
11. 63 - 64 Slayer
12. 78 - 79 Smithing

Another theory to the selling of the account, he tried to sell the account, found out it was not possible without reputation and is trying to get a refund due to being "hacked".

Considering the gained levels, that's one theory to it. Claiming he spent 200 or 800 hours on that, is a joke.

 

[Divx]

See deleted for further information, that i did not want to be public.

 

[Barb_dis]

"1. He wanted to sell the account, but potentially scam me and/or the buyer of said account. Asking me to recover/refund him, and if i recovered screwing over the guy who bought it."

How can i scam you, when you're the one who has all the informations+ my money

i told you i lost the account, and they all know this why are repeating yourself a thousand times?

you keep claim that you only want to refund if corby recovered the account, which again for the 1000th time makes no sense since i was about to buy an account from corby trusting him.. why would i ever doubt someone who i was going to buy the account from?

there's no holes.. like sythe.org states there's always a chance for one of the account owners to ALWAYS recover the account, and since it's not corby it is you, and if it is corby you're going to refund no matter what.. since you claim you want to refund if it's corby. Don't tell me that this account is not recoverabel... sythe mods won't fall for this and you're not going to give me my money anyways and i don't care about the money at this point all i want is for you to be banned so you can't be doing these numbers on other people again. You fooled me into buying your account instead of corby since you knew you could recover it.. you waited for me to either get the account stolen so you could recover, or recover it yourself later on.. it's obvious. You're just playing stupid on purpose.. and on top of all this you broke the TOS anyways stating that you'll do a full recover if the account got stolen.. and i didn't say "if it gets stolen by corby" i said "if it gets stolen" which means in general and you fully agree'd on that and it's right there on the picture and i can even have a mod verify it on the facebook messages that it has not been photoshopped.. i hope justice will come for you.

 

[Divx]

"All accounts are recoverable!

Always be cautious with account trades, even if you are using a middleman. Remember, accounts can always be recovered, so even if the trade goes smoothly, there's nothing stopping the original owner from recovering the account down the track, leaving you out of pocket, and without an account."

this is the rules of account selling in sythe, which means divX is abel to recover and has already recovered the account but neglating it.

Thanks for quoting me the Sythe rules.

Unfortunately jagex are ultimately the ones deciding if a recovery goes trough or not, alongside with me not being the original owner of the account. as i made you aware when initially buying the account, i am NOT the original owner, since i have personally purchased the account from @Corby , which we have also mentioned in this thread already once.

The TOS included a warranty which specifically stated "if the account is taken back by @Corby " it did definitely NOT include a "oh i am too retarded to secure my email and lost 3 accounts because of this" warranty.

Other than not being part of the initial agreement, i find it very convenient that the account got "hacked" right after you're asking me for specific information about the account in question.

 

[Barb_dis]

"Another theory to the selling of the account, he tried to sell the account, found out it was not possible without reputation and is trying to get a refund due to being "hacked".

well that's one hell of a good lie.. cause i want the account back rather than the money.. so just give me my account back and the case will be solved? we know that you have it.
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here i'm telling you that i'd rather want the account and that i spend time training and getting money on it... and your reponse was " i'm doing my best to get it back to you"

 

[Barb_dis]

Thanks for quoting me the Sythe rules.

Unfortunately jagex are ultimately the ones deciding if a recovery goes trough or not, alongside with me not being the original owner of the account. as i made you aware when initially buying the account, i am NOT the original owner, since i have personally purchased the account from @Corby , which we have also mentioned in this thread already once.

The TOS included a warranty which specifically stated "if the account is taken back by @Corby " it did definitely NOT include a "oh i am too retarded to secure my email and lost 3 accounts because of this" warranty.

Other than not being part of the initial agreement, i find it very convenient that the account got "hacked" right after you're asking me for specific information about the account in question.

the TOS included being stolen, me being stupid and losing it to a keylogger is also stolen.. which means its under the TOS.. how else would account be stolen today???

like you said Jagex decides.. but we all know there's always that ONE person that can get it back.. and since corby and you are the previous owners it means it's one of you who can get it back since EVERY account is recoverabel.. and since i trust Corby way more than i trust you it gotta be you and not corby that has the abillity to recover the account.. and corby even tried mulitple times.


and fyi for the most it's the guy who has the first email registred on the account.. and you're that person since corby sold you the account unregistred.

 

[Barb_dis]

you can play them all the BS you want.. and i know i won't get the money nor the account.. but i want JUSTICE.. and i hope that's the thing the sythe mods can give me.

 

[Divx]

the TOS included being stolen, me being stupid and losing it to a keylogger is also stolen.. which means its under the TOS.. how else would account be stolen today???

As mentioned before, i find it very convenient that it gets "hacked" shortly after you contacting me about an account you bought 13+ months ago.
My personal impression is, you have sold it in one of the various marketplaces (you have mentioned you being in multiple danish groups for RuneScape) you are in, and now are attempting to reclaim the account.

the TOS included being stolen, me being stupid and losing it to a keylogger is also stolen.. which means its under the TOS.. how else would account be stolen today?

Assuming this is a thing, you could just buy 10 accounts, after a couple of months claim you get keylogged and lost access (which email provider does not use a 2fa system nowadays?) collect refunds where applicable?
then have accounts to sell / play on for "free"?

and fyi for the most it's the guy who has the first email registred on the account.. and you're that person since corby sold you the account unregistred.

You have owned the account for a longer period than me or @Corby. You *should* be able to recover this yourself. your odds are bigger than mine or @Corby in this scenario. Especially since you have majority of the payment info attached and / or are able to obtain this.

well that's one hell of a good lie.. cause i want the account back rather than the money.. so just give me my account back and the case will be solved?

Interesting thought. You KNOW, because both me and @Corby have tried recovering that we will very likely be unable to get it back (from you / the person you sold it to?). I do not have any reasons to recover it as well, as i determined it to be not of value to me, when i sold it to you.
At this point you're attempting to build empathy, there's no added value to this post regarding the situation at hand.


Finalising this:

Our agreement was an account, which was originally bought by me from Corby, with a warranty if he were ever to reclaim it, i would refund you the purchase price.

In this gyazo link, you can even see i told you about my confidence in Corby, why would I otherwise list him, if i didn't refer to it being "only if Corby recovered it".

We BOTH agree, that Corby did not reclaim the account which you mentioned here.

you keep claim that you only want to refund if corby recovered the account, which again for the 1000th time makes no sense since i was about to buy an account from corby trusting him.. why would i ever doubt someone who i was going to buy the account from?

I do not know what you're attempting to go at in this thread.

You agreed to terms, which have not been violated on my end.

If you don't lock your car, and it get's stolen, you also do not get an insurance refund.
This is a simple case of serious negligence on your part as you are claiming it, which you are now putting towards me.

 

[Barb_dis]

i mean DivX we really can go back and fourth, and you can just keep rambling all you want.. but bottom line is you agree'd to the TOS and right now you're not keeping up with the TOS.. it's simple.. next time don't agree to something you can't withhold.. i'm going to let it up to the mods to decide this.. i lost both the account and the money and have nothing, and even if they ban you i won't get the money nor the account.. in the end i'm the loser of every aspect, and i lost the day i bought an account from you that isn't even recoverabel (unless you already recovered it, which we will never know) the only thing i want is you to be held accountabel.. and if this was a real life courtcase you would have lost.. i don't know how sythe mods will determine this, but i'll respect their judgement.. if they let a scammer loose it's their loss in the end. This will be my final message.. i'm a sad man who lost everything, and i don't have the energy to keep going back and fourth and you deniying and me acusing when everything is loud and clear in the picture which concludes the TOS you agreed to. I have nothing to gain from this i'm spending a lot of time.. i'm only doing this to prevent other people from getting scammed the same way.

 

[Divx]

but bottom line is you agree'd to the TOS and right now you're not keeping up with the TOS. it's simple.. next time don't agree to something you can't withhold..

You're re-interpreting the ToS how it fits you best. I am respecting our agreement.

i lost the day i bought an account from you that isn't even recoverabel

I thought "every account is recoverable" ?

the only thing i want is you to be held accountabel

I am happy to be accountable for following the agreed upon ToS.

and if this was a real life courtcase you would have lost

You're a lawyer / Judge now? A real life case they would've told you to lock your stuff.

but i'll respect their judgement.. if they let a scammer loose it's their loss in the end

Thanks for calling me a scammer, where i haven't done anything against forum rules and our agreed upon ToS at this point. I have, even though i am not obligated to according to the agreed ToS, done everything in my ability to help you get the account back. Out of good will, BEFORE you decided to write this report.

everything is loud and clear in the picture which concludes the TOS you agreed to

Correct - I would be held liable IF corby were to recover the account. Which, as established before, is not the case. I respect the attempt to build empathy, but let's stick to actual facts and agreements, rather than trying to pull this to an emotional level.

This dispute has NOTHING to do with this platform in the first place. You don't claim warranty in Walmart if you bought something in Aldi.

The account was listed by me on this website (Selling 1600+ Ironman, 99 Agility, 99 Mining, 99 FM, 83 Fishing) and you didn't have profile here until you decided to write a report over here against me. Over here, as visible on the thread i posted here following TOS were applicable

Terms of Service
1. Once the account has been sold, I will under no circumstances issue a refund. (Unless the account is recovered during the warranty period)
2. I am not responsible for any bans/mutes/hacks, or any other offenses that happens to the account, after you have purchased it, under any circumstances.
3. The account has a 30 day warranty period, this means that I have no responsibility to unlock, recover or aid with anything related to said account, after this period.
4. I hold the right to refuse any deal/order, without explanation.
5. If you resell the account, your warranty is voided.
6. You will recieve all information to recover the account, once the warranty period has expired.
7. I will not get involved in any resales of said account.

However, this is irrelevant, since it was a sale trough Facebook, which you decided to pull to this platform. I'm not sure what you are hoping to achieve with this thread, other than wasting my, your and the Mods time. What you're effectively doing is trying to claim warranty trough a platform you haven't used until you heard that you might be able to pull warranty trough it.

 

@Divx you will need to refund the amount paid for the account. There was no time length specified for account recovery responsibility so the default length of two years will be used. I spoke with another staff member regarding the sale being offsite and we both agree that sythe rules will apply to your sale.

 

I will pay Divx's debt, please inform me of the $ amount and the btc or ltc wallet to pay to.

 

[Divx]

Hi @Yoshiki

Thanks for taking the time and attending to this case.

Where as i respect the decision made, i am not sure if the precedent being set here is great.
Summing the facts :
The Sythe thread related to this sale stated 30 days
The conversation stated "if recovered by corby"
The sale happened offsite.

This up it means, we are applying the TOS agreement based on what happened offsite, neglecting the clear "If recovered by Corby" but are applying the base Sythe rule "2 years if not specifically specified"


This would potentially lead to many people that have bought accounts in the past (offsite) just being able to randomly state "i lost access to my email and got hacked, please recover" shortly before warranty runs out. having a free shot at getting refunded for their purchase.


I would kindly ask to once more take this into consideration once more before i settle things with @Barb_dis

Of course, if you do decide that above is valid, i will happily deduct the value paid initially for the account, 1500DKK (+the value of haircut and cigar at 450) off of the debt @Barb_dis has to me.

Both trades should be considered IRL trades because barb found me by messaging me directly, as he is my friend and knew about the account I wanted to sell.

He did not go on any marketplace and find me through that avenue.

 

[Barb_dis]

@Divx you will need to refund the amount paid for the account. There was no time length specified for account recovery responsibility so the default length of two years will be used. I spoke with another staff member regarding the sale being offsite and we both agree that sythe rules will apply to your sale.

thanks for resolving this in a good matter, this is why i love sythe.

 

[Barb_dis]

i received the money from divX and case is solved.. i would like to thank the sythe mods for doing an OUTSTANDING job, i'm truely grateful.. in the end i would like to say that this was NEVER about the money and i lost a friend during this proces.. it was about justice prevailing and not doing empty promises.. and justice prevailed this time cheers!


NB: Always read the TOS ;-)