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I am posting this for (X) since I was transferring the names he bought from amy.

To make it short, Amy made a post saying he wanted to sell all his names 50% off. (X) being one of his admins asked me to transfer the names for him onto safe accounts.


DAY 1 (Jan 28th)

First name he bought, the account got locked few minutes after logging in due to difference in IP. Amy said no problem they will simply quickly unlock the account and we could move forward with the other names (total of 5 names).

AT NO GIVEN TIME amy ever gave him a guide, or told him to set an email on the account FIRST before logging in to prevent account locks or even mentioned anything.

For some reason amy didn't want to do the transfers for him and another name was sniped from him for 200$+
(Rest of the accounts were fine because I told him to register emails on them BEFORE logging in and done the xfers)


Amy then tells him he's not able to unlock the name since he created these accounts with Super Rare names on Fake emails that doesn't even exist. So the unlock email is being sent to an un-existent email....


DAY 2 (Jan 29th)

Next day Amy tells him the recovery failed and is waiting on the results of the 2nd recovery attempt. Alright no problem.

Day 3 (Jan 30th)

He asks for hopefully good news, yet no responses but Amy still did Bump his name trading topic.

Day 4 (Jan 31th)

Asks for a response, once AGAIN no news from Amy. Yet he still bumped his name topic again?

Day 5 (Feb 1st)

Another day with him PM'ing Amy but no responses.

DAY 6 (Feb 2nd)

4 days without a single response, he asks for a refund because things are just ridiculous. He finally responded saying he doesn't understand why he should be taking the loss blaaa blaa blaa so basically clearly amy doesn't want to refund him and puts it all on his fault for not registering an email on the account. (How could he know??)


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I've reported Amy in the past for very similar situations where he wouldn't care at all for his customers and would simply sell them names he 100% knew were on sniping bot's lists without even warning his customers about it and they would lose their bank. Somehow he got away with it and now this. This is really frustrating when we've been working hard against Imposters/Scammers/Mitm scams/Botsnipers with such a very small community and shits like this happens.


If he provided a guide to prevent account locks, or if he successfully recovered the name for him I would have not cared. But this situation is completely stupid, THIS GUY HAS BEEN YOUR DAMN ADMIN IN YOUR DISCORD FOR MONTHS AND SAVED YOUR DISCORD FROM SPAMMING LIKE SERIOUSLY?


The payment was 0.00687167 BTC .


I'm here for my friend to be refunded. He's given him PLENTY of chances to do so but looks like he's simply avoiding it since day 1 and just wants to keep the money.

Thanks for your time, mods see deleted for the pics.

 

You're jumping to many conclusions and using a lot of strawman arguments.

I trust Admins will see both sides to the story given you're using someone to push your agenda with your title.

1. For starters, I don't use Sythe much anymore and I don't log on Discord every day. I won't be able to respond to inquiries daily. It's not my intention to ignore 50+ people who message me.

2. To clarify the situation, I sold bulk names to someone and if I'm trading with another name trader, I don't expect to give a basic tutorial on how things work. If I sell a name to Assassin who Dario was working with, I wouldn't expect to tell him to register an email when you log on RuneScape.

In this instance, if the username is on an account (ex. a high level, staker) is registered, I will offer to swap the email to the other person and will be able to recover it if its locked.

On the other hand, some names are generated with fake emails and are completely fresh. 90% of my name trades, I just hand over the fake account and I've never had any problems.

These accounts are almost impossible to recover so people feel safe creating their own credentials and then re-selling or playing on the accounts.

If someone verifies their Email address to the account, changes the password then claims "I never got it" or locks it by themselves and says "it doesn't work", I wouldn't be able to do anything because it was a freshly created fake email.

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Back to the situation, there's almost nothing we can do about someone losing their access to a fake account. I sold what I said I would, which is a fresh account with the name on it. It's a very strange situation that the buyer would lose access to it.

That being said, like I messaged the other person, I am looking to resolutions. It's obvious both sides don't want to take a total loss for it.

The easiest resolution would be for me to try to recover the account, which takes around a day per reset notification. It's been denied every time I've tried but I am still attempting.

If that still continues to fail, I already told the buyer that I work out another resolution with him so that both parties don't need to be at a total loss.

I've been selling names for about a year now, it's quite annoying how I'm going out of my way to recover a fake generated account then looking into other resolutions would lead to misleading titles like "Amy scamming 257$" by another name trader.

 

It has been 7+ days, a recovery test takes less than 12 hours.

Can't believe you're doing this to your own admin.

Don't blame it on him for not putting a registered email on it before logging in.

It is your job to make sure your custmers run into no issues, or atleast have backup solutions for them.

Account got locked within 2 minutes of logging in.

Any account sales on Sythe you're automaticly being responsible for 1* month aswel if there is any locks/recoveries btw. You can't fix? You have to refund.

 

Agreement for sale (just sending over account info)
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Handing over the account (sending over account info)
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I did my part as a name seller when selling fresh accounts with rare names. I have no way of accessing the accounts or reliably recovering the accounts once I hand it over. How would I be responsible for recovering a fake account I sent over once the other person verifies their details and claims the account? These are name sales from fake accounts, not account sales for high level/staking accounts.

I would agree to the report if it already had a registered Email on it but these are fake, fresh accounts and the goal of the other party was to resell them for more.

Problems Arise
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Attempted Resolution
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Once again, these are fake accounts with no verified credentials. For all I know the person in question could have verified his Email already, changed the password, locked the account, asked for a refund, then could recover it later but I'm going off benefit of the doubt.

I'm looking into attempting recovering the fake account first because I don't want to lose all my money for a name I paid for and the name I sold at an extreme discount when I've done everything I was supposed to and I don't want the other party to be out of a name as well. If it continues to not work, I'll be open to other resolutions but in the meantime, it's egregious that I'm doing everything I can to help and I get a report from a competitor who's barely involved.

Again, I've done everything I said I would in my agreement with the name sale. Things obviously could go wrong after the transaction has finished (ex. person bots/rwts on the account gets banned, name gets sniped), but these are out of my scope. However, it's always in my best interest even at the cost of my own to make a buyer happy, which is why I'm still attempting to resolve things.

Saying "Refund me fully because you didn't give me a guide" after I handed over a fresh account with no credentials then creating a "Amy scamming $257" thread seems quite unfair to me.

 

You lost me when you just said above your admin probably just tried to trick you for 200 bucks when he just straight bought like 1k worth of names.

Cba with your personality again always trying to loop around stuff and never actually be helpful.

Will just wait on mods. Pathetic to see this happen ngl.

 

I never said that, please don't put words in my mouth and exaggerate what I say.

All I'm saying is that we agreed that I would just send account details over. I sent him a fresh account that was created a year or two back. I have no access to fake accounts after I send it over and the transaction is done once he gets it since I'm not transferring the name for him.

He had full access to it like any one of my other trades but ended up choosing not to set his own credentials from the fake one. When the account gets locked he blames it on me for not sending him guide and is demanding a full refund.

I'm attempting to find a resolution but it's clear one party doesn't want to. It's not fair to me that this is happening either.

 

You clearly sold him an account didn't you? Yes or No, don't loop around the question with 20 un-useful lines.

 

I'm going to go back once again and make an important distinction. I'm a name seller and I'm not selling a maxed main or polypore staker that people have been playing on for years with verified Emails. These are account creation seeds for people to create their own account, with their own details, with the rare username on it.

I completely agree with you that sellers should be responsible for recovering the accounts they sell in the RS3/OSRS Mains and Pures section. However, it's a different scenario when names are sold on fake, unverified accounts that have never logged in RuneScape or even started tutorial island before and buyers are given the details to create their own account.

I've done my part as a name seller handing over details for someone to create their own account for the rare name. Am I going to take a few hundred dollar financial loss on both the costs for buying the name and then selling it because I didn't give a name seller who has been around for over a year a guide and because he skipped steps?

If the person sets his/her own account creation details or Emails, its their account now because there was never any verified Email before.

In a similar situation, once someone creates their own account details, registers their email for the FIRST time, then forgets their Email, I won't be able to recover an account and it would be unfair to apply the same argument.

These are names on unregistered accounts that have never logged in RuneScape or had any sort of Email validation. I did my part as a name seller handing over the account creation detail seed, its their role to actually create the account with their Email because once the seed details are out of my hands, it's gone.

Where the buyer and I disagreed upon is his statement that I need to give him a total refund now "because I didn't send him a guide." We agreed upon a type of sale in deleted screenshot, I've fulfilled what I said I would as a seller. I was happy to find some middle ground for the buyer's mistake but it's completely not fair to me losing money three different times (buying the name, selling the name, and increasing bitcoin prices) for delivering what I said I would.

 

It is your job as a Business owner to make sure all your trades with your customers goes smooth.

You sold him accounts that YOU DIDN'T EVEN CREATE yourself (Some were names bought from majora, a banned user).

You never gave him a guide to make sure this situation doesn't happen.

Why are you claiming he has been a name seller for over a year? Not a single person outside the name market knows about this issue. When you care about your customers you make sure these situations never happen.

Logged ingame to make sure the name was infact really on the account and it got locked on tutorial island lol.

You sold him unsafe accounts without even warning him about the risks, without any guide.

He even bought another 700$+ worth of names and you still try to loop around the rules to steal 250$ OFF YOUR OWN ADMIN.

1 got locked instantly, you failed to recover and put the blame on him? You made him lose a massive increase on BTC on his own money and even banned him from your discord now lol.

HE WAS YOUR DAMN ADMIN!

Is it just me or this is absolutely pathetic? I'd literally take a bullet for any of my 3 admins..

 

1. Not sure why you keep bringing up the Admin point, I gave him a temporary role because he offered to set up a Discord bot to prevent spam, which I am extremely grateful for and forgot to remove the privilege when I quit right afterward.

2. You're literally the person who bought a mass name sniper off Gucci, talk to people about my names before they get transferred, then blame me for not transferring anymore. You put up words in my mouth in this report and keep going off mis-characterizations of things I never said as your argument. Not sure you're the best example when talking about how name selling is done.

Again I offered to attempt to recover it, then figure out a compensation that would try to make both parties happy since we've traded many names. However, I disagreed about his point that I would take a total loss 3 different times for one trade, when I've delivered what we agreed upon.

3. About the "new to name selling point, should have received a guide", Admins can see deleted.


4. If an account that I registered an Email to gets locked or stolen, I will take responsibility. Volibear, for example, which was previously my account that you ended up purchasing and selling from a hacker, is my loss because I had a registered email. However, if I give an account seed with a rare name to someone to create their account with and they ask me for a full refund because I can't recover a fake account that could have their information on it, whether its 1 day or 2 years down the road, then I will not take full responsibility.

Once again, I'm still attempting to find a resolution but you seem gung-ho on pushing an false agenda like "Amy scams $257" or "Amy is scamming her friends and doesn't care about customers!"

 

Admit your errors, take the loss like a man and move on.

Is looping around the questions and making huge off-topic texts really gonna help you out?

When businesses do fuck ups, they do everything in their power to make sure their customer ends up happy.

Clearly the victim isn't at fault here. He was never given any guides by you.

You impressed me when you mentionned him to use a transfer service before hand. Something I've already reported you for in the past which lead to people losing their entire bank. Kudos to you for fixing that one!

Just seen your recent miniranks topic, guess you simply want to quit with as much money as you can regardless if it makes other people like him lose money.

-You sold him an account with no guide
-He logged on it to verify the name
-It got locked almost instantly
-You offered to unlock but still no success after 10 Days?
-Admit your errors, refund him and move on.

 

@Amy @Alex was there any terms of service agreed to before the sale? If so, could you please provide it.

 

None on his Name Selling Topic.

None on his Discord server.

None during the trade were stated either.

This wasn't a name sale in which you pay and instantly receive the name transfered onto your account. This was an account sale WHICH makes the seller responsible for 1 month on Recoveries/Locks. If the seller fails to recover/unlock it for the buyer, they are meant to either give them another account with the same value (if it makes the buyer happy) or simply fully refund them.



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This isn't a maxed RS3 or OSRS account sale. This was a name sale for 525m converted to BTC in which I give the person information to create the account with the rare name on it, in which it's almost impossible to recover. Once the name gets transferred off the account has 0 value.

After the seed is handed over I'm not responsible for anything that happens after. There's no registered email and the initial creation was from all fake information. If they transfer the name off, get the account banned for RWT, register their credentials forget it then ask me for recover and then demand a refund, common since would tell you its not my responsibility.

If you look at the screenshots from my previous post, the buyer is clearly not anybody new and your whole argument is based around not handing over a guide to a name trader on how to make a RuneScape account.

You're so insistent on making me lose money that you'd argue the company who sold Pizza for 5$ in Bitcoin in 2010 would need to refund the person $200m USD 10 years later after the buyer dropped their Pizza on the floor. Yeah, the Pizza company could be nice and give the guy another Pizza but it's not their fault the guy messed up and dropped it after it was delivered.

According to Alex, the Pizza company scammed by not giving a "caution this is hot guide" so they'd need to lose out on making the Pizza, selling the Pizza, time to deliver it, and then pay the customer an additional $200m for lost profits!

 

Regardless of this being the sale of a name on an account, it still counts as an account sale. When performing these types of sales you need to outline clear terms of service as you would for an account sale. You should also be either informing them to set an email on the account, or just outright sending them the link to set one when providing the details.

There seems to have been no ToS agreement here. Due to that, and the fact that the name is still on the account @Amy is liable to refund what the customer paid if she is unable to recover it for them.

@Amy @Alex please let me know when this has been done.

 

The payment sent was 0.00695239 BTC.

He just for some reason, only sent 231$ and took profits on coins that was not his. (Over 100$ profit ???)

If he didn't buy your name he would have 334$ worth of BTC today.

There is no reason why you should keep profits on coins you don't own AT ALL.

103$ usd worth of BTC is missing.

 

The payment sent was 0.00695239 BTC.

He just for some reason, only sent 231$ and took profits on coins that was not his. (Over 100$ profit ???)

If he didn't buy your name he would have 334$ worth of BTC today.

There is no reason why you should keep profits on coins you don't own AT ALL.

103$ usd worth of BTC is missing.

As I specified to both of you on Discord: @Amy is only liable to return the dollar amount that was agreed upon as opposed to the BTC amount. Unless the price agreed upon was a specific BTC amount.

The original agreement was a dollar amount, so that is what the refund will be.

Thanks for resolving this.