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[POPEYES]

Original Post:
https://www.sythe.org/threads/need-a-specific-accounts-made/

Fredd's Discord: Fredd#0558
UID: Imgur

In my post, I state the following: Give me a price estimate which includes everything except bond (I will pay for membership).

Fredd replied with his quote, stating: We can leave it for 38 M each, Although we would have to discuss the situation well with the combat level.

Later, he was added on discord to discuss, I asked him how much it would be for the account. He stated 35m.

Later, he asked for an amulet of fury, which I ignored seeing as I'm not sure why this is needed. I've had services before where the provider kept asking for more and more items, so I didn't want to do that.

https://i.imgur.com/yzUe30B.png

The following day, he stated he couldn't complete my order.

https://i.imgur.com/qiabkzM.png

In his TOS, he states:

2- I do not accept payments over 100 M. If the service has a price higher than 100 M in total; You will have to pay 100 M in advance for a progress equivalent to it, then the rest of the work will be paid partially or totally.
3- It will provide everything necessary for the service. Unless stated otherwise and agreed.

The use of "it" correlates to "payment" from #2. Why did he not inform me beforehand he would need additional items and payments? He did not warn me a single time (I can screenshare entire conversation).

Then he told me he won't refund, despite: 6-. If I cannot complete an order, the remaining value will be refunded.

He argues:

https://i.imgur.com/5EUPe4I.png

He also stated he cannot complete order after asking me for a amulet of fury. Later he changed his need for bones for prayer.

Fredd 07/06/2020
Perhaps the training will be slow, you did not leave at least 5 M in the account to buy An amulet of fury, which would remain in the account anyway. As you will leave 200k bro.
Fredd Today at 6:41 AM
Hey
FreddToday at 6:53 AM
The service will not complete. I am not responsible for this

 

Hello,

@Fredd what is the problem here?
Why can't you finish the order?

 

[Fredd]

Greetings friend moderator @BlackBlasses. Well, to be objective and I will not fall into arguments after another. The friend @POPEYES came to me for a service in a PM message, saying that he wanted a service, I simply told him the price of the training as I usually do with many clients, The account required basic levels at a level 3. Here You can see the screenshots so you don't have to explain everything and you judge.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656867771707031552/730447392046055524/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656867771707031552/730447818572955738/unknown.png

Then we go to a ticket, and he read and accepted my terms and service, he paid $ 19 and I told him that the service would start the next day because it was too late.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656867771707031552/730453041194598470/unknown.png

When I review the account the next day I see that there are only 200 K in the bank, I asked him why he did not leave more gp in the account, that was not going to do enough, I even commented to him of being able to buy an amulet of fury which would do the faster training, Although I do not mind using glory, as I was going to level magic, the prayer 1-52, and the range with 200 K. I sent him a message and he ignored me, I continued with the training 2 more days, and today I wrote him a PM, to remind you of this matter again, He got upset and told me that I should provide everything. LOL.

I explained to him that in my terms of service, like almost any other provider, the customer must provide the membership and training resources.

Then he argued that he had published a Post on July 1 where he explained what should be done in the account and that the provider should bear the expenses. But he came to me on July 5, asking for my services, for God's sake! with so many posts and so many clients and problems we sometimes deal with, as I will remember a Post from 5 days ago, and he did not mention it when he came to me either. Lol, but foolishly edited his message and linked the post in order to win the dispute and falsely prove that he told me.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656867771707031552/730454427990884372/unknown.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attach...165070938273/unknown.png?width=571&height=372

You can tell the difference...

Anyway, My Terms of Service establish that the client must provide everything necessary. If I refused to perform the service, I would certainly refund you, but I cannot continue due to lack of supply, and I am also under no obligation to refund under the circumstances explained above.

This is the kind of clients that nobody wants.

 

[Fredd]

Progress so far. So that she popeye does not say that we do not work on her account. Making a post is embarrassing, just for refusing to provide 2-4 M workouts meant to train your account. xD

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656867771707031552/730455452877586552/unknown.png

 

[POPEYES]

Your TOS says everything is included in the quote, which is the same as my quote initially asked for.

2- I do not accept payments over 100 M. If the service has a price higher than 100 M in total; You will have to pay 100 M in advance for a progress equivalent to it, then the rest of the work will be paid partially or totally.
3- It will provide everything necessary for the service. Unless stated otherwise and agreed.

I don't care about paying more for an order, but this should have been discussed beforehand, not days into the service. I've had other providers constantly ask for more and more, I would have gone with someone else knowing you weren't clear about your own TOS.

 

[POPEYES]

"Anyway, My Terms of Service establish that the client must provide everything necessary. If I refused to perform the service, I would certainly refund you, but I cannot continue due to lack of supply, and I am also under no obligation to refund under the circumstances explained above.

This is the kind of clients that nobody wants."

No it doesn't, it says:

2- I do not accept payments over 100 M. If the service has a price higher than 100 M in total; You will have to pay 100 M in advance for a progress equivalent to it, then the rest of the work will be paid partially or totally.
3- It will provide everything necessary for the service. Unless stated otherwise and agreed.

"It" with how this context is written is referring to the payment noted in #2. You should have said beforehand about the true charges (service+supplies).

The 200k leftover was because I had bought a bond, not "payment" for the supplies (this charge was already included in the payment).

 

[Fredd]

I will not answer you anymore,I will not waste my time with you. I will wait for a mod of the answer

 

[POPEYES]

I will not answer you anymore,I will not waste my time with you. I will wait for a mod of the answer

Same as I said hours ago in DMs, but you were too busy spamming "jaja" in my dms lol.

 

This seems like a miscommunication.

As stated above, @POPEYES was indeed asking for a quote for skilling and supplies.

Give me a price estimate which includes everything except bond (I will pay for membership).

https://i.imgur.com/MtdkdhV.png

1-The service MUST be paid before starting!

2- I do not accept payments over 100 M. If the service has a price higher than 100 M in total; You will have to pay 100 M in advance for a progress equivalent to it, then the rest of the work will be paid partially or totally.

3- It will provide everything necessary for the service. Unless stated otherwise and agreed.

4-.When you place an order for our services, you accept and acknowledge that you must eliminate any unnecessary WEALTH from the account, otherwise I will not be liable.

5-. You CANNOT sign in to the account while performing a service unless you have the permission of the owner who manages the service. If you log in without permission, it will result in the end of the service WITHOUT ANY REFUND

6-. If I cannot complete an order, the remaining value will be refunded.

7-. You must change the account password once the service is complete

8-. Any prohibition of accounts when performing services before, during or after IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. We will be happy to provide all the screenshots to show that it is handmade. NO REFUND.

9-All orders must be made through our @Ticket Tool. You can find this in #service-request . You should not place orders privately with my team, any order placed without my knowledge will not be responsible.

10.You are aware that, like any company, Fredd Service has a team of workers selected and identified with the role @Supervisor ⭐⭐⭐ , @Moderator ⭐⭐, @Employee ⭐.  I Fredd; I reserve the right to use my staff in the training of their service when I consider it convenient.

11-. Please note that when you place an order with us, you are signing a contract that results in an automatic agreement to these terms of service.

@Fredd "It" in your ToS is unclear. One could easily confuse "It" being a payment, instead of client.

@POPEYES is not obligated to provide any additional money/supplies required for training AND @Fredd is not obligated to complete the order, BUT @Fredd can't keep the full payment and will need to issue a partial refund for the unfinished work.

HOWEVER, before we proceed with calculating appropriate compensation for the work done, I suggest that both parties resolve this matter in a pragmatic manner instead of trying to prove a point.
@POPEYES would you be willing to let @Fredd complete the order if the additional supply cost was right?
@Fredd how much additional money would you need to finish the order (not including money for the amulet of fury)?

Please let us know

 

[POPEYES]

This seems like a miscommunication.
@POPEYES is not obligated to provide any additional money/supplies required for training AND @Fredd is not obligated to complete the order, BUT @Fredd can't keep the full payment and will need to issue a partial refund for the unfinished work.

HOWEVER, before we proceed with calculating appropriate compensation for the work done, I suggest that both parties resolve this matter in a pragmatic manner instead of trying to prove a point.
@POPEYES would you be willing to let @Fredd complete the order if the additional supply cost was right?
@Fredd how much additional money would you need to finish the order (not including money for the amulet of fury)?

Please let us know

I'd like to know how much additional it would cost, one time, set in stone. Before he mentioned 2-4m, so what number between these would the remainder of the service cost?

 

[Fredd]

I'd like to know how much additional it would cost, one time, set in stone. Before he mentioned 2-4m, so what number between these would the remainder of the service cost?

2 M.

 

[POPEYES]

@BlackBlasses I'm willing to pay 2m for the remainder of the service, after the existing melee training (which shouldn't require any money) is completed. Is this fair? That is probably the longest part of the order and it should be able to be completed without any interference from me.

 

[Fredd]

@BlackBlasses I'm willing to pay 2m for the remainder of the service, after the existing melee training (which shouldn't require any money) is completed. Is this fair? That is probably the longest part of the order and it should be able to be completed without any interference from me.

Brother, leave the show and drama now. Oh my God, and hurry up. @BlackBlasses I'm ready to resume once this man put the Gp on the account

 

[POPEYES]

Brother, leave the show and drama now. Oh my God, and hurry up. @BlackBlasses I'm ready to resume once this man put the Gp on the account

No gp is needed or is holding up training melee, which you've been doing just fine.

 

Ok, that's great news, we are moving in the right direction.

@POPEYES would you be comfortable with me holding 2m for supplies (essentially MMing) if I released the money to @Fredd upon your request, once the melee training part is completed?

 

[POPEYES]

Ok, that's great news, we are moving in the right direction.

@POPEYES would you be comfortable with me holding 2m for supplies (essentially MMing) if I released the money to @Fredd upon your request, once the melee training part is completed?

Sure. Let's MM 2m since Fredd won't work on my defence (using melee) without the money for ranged/prayer supplies.

 

Sure. Let's MM 2m since Fredd won't work on my defence (using melee) without the money for ranged/prayer supplies.

Great, lack of money for ranged/prayer supplies won't be a problem. I'll add you on Discord (please wait for a confirmation PM too).

 

[POPEYES]

Paid 2m. @Fredd please do the order up until it is needed. (Attack, Str, Def).

 

Received 2m from @POPEYES.

@Fredd will continue working on the account.

@Fredd I highly suggest that you change "It" to either of the following: "You, Customer, Client" to prevent any potential confusion.

Thank you both for your cooperation