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[emedem]

Endeavor, @Yirru 's worker, scammed me for quite a lot over a fair amount of time.

11/02 the first order was 10 accounts to do a few quests and some herblore. This order went through yirru. Each account had 9m for bond and supplies and were all hacked.

Following this i provided a new 10 accounts, but 5 accounts at a time. For the first 5, Endeavor completed the order, which made me not suspect him. But then after I supplied the other 5 they were hacked. I provided another 5 after this and endeavor completed them. So 15 accounts were hacked and 10 completed. Each time I provided accounts I was eliminating variables to determine the hacker.

Possible hackers at this stage were:
- Yirru or endeavor
- me
- a separate hacker that breached my security
- or mod-rs because i bought the fresh accounts from them

I contacted mod-rs' owner after this happened
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Note the date 14/11. Immediately after the hack. Additionally I have bought many accounts from them with no instances of this so I am inclined to believe him.

As I provided replacements accs after the hacks it makes no sense for it to have been me.

If I had been hacked by a security breach on my pc, then I would have had accounts with much more money compromised.

It follows that endeavor or yirru are primary suspects. Endeavor did complete the job though, for this reason I trusted him.

We did a follow up order which Yirru was aware of because:
- he was informed that money had been received for the order: Imgur
- the group name was changed for the new order: above
- we had already discussed 2 orders while he was in the chat: Imgur

After the followup order Endeavor scammed me 300m and all of Yirrus other clients too. It's worth noting he died on HCIMs which is purely a malicious act. Therefore to say Endeavor's actions were a result of my trust is inaccurate as he was not entirely motivated by money.

Following this, it is clear that given my previous deduction of Endeavor being a primary suspect, along with his proven hacking and malicious behaviour. He is beyond all reasonable doubt the hacker from the first order as well.

It is possibly arguable that for the second order I did not go through Yirru and therefore I breached his TOS. But for the first order I was completely within his TOS. What I request is that @Yirru follow his own TOS and compensate for the first order. The 15 hacks which were in that group chat with Yirru should be compensated for. This amounts 9m*15accounts=135m, and the cost of the order which was 10accounts*4m=40m. This totals at 175m.

Proof that each account had 9m on it: Imgur

Don't believe me? Here are the complete unedited transcripts of all chats.
Chat with Yirru and Endevor: Yirru added endeavor to the group.10/29/2019 Yirru10/29/2019 Ask here @Emed - Pastebin.com
Chat with Endeavor: Emedem11/04/2019 alright, here are the 5 new accounts. I have made sure they - Pastebin.com

To save time i'm going to rebut many of Yirru's repeated claims:
"You went behind my back"/"The order did not go through me"
The first one went through you. There is no possible argument there: Imgur (also top of the group chat in transcript)
Further I've already provided adequate reasons above of how you were informed. In the group chat we were discussing the second order and he literally told you he accepted money from me for your service. Is it not your responsibility to follow that up?

"That was a while ago and you're reporting it now?" "Only when you see I'm in a vulnerable spot?"
I reported the hack when it happened. But I had no proof so I accused nobody. As soon as there was proof endeavor was the hacker, I alerted you. On the day endeavor scam quit, written directly to yirru: Imgur
On the day the accounts were hacked written in group chat: Imgur

"There is also no way to know if it was [endeavor] as you both had access to the accounts."
I provided replacements accs after the subtle hacks Endeavor did. It makes no sense that I would have hacked the accounts, if I provided replacements. Also there is no reasonable way for me to provide anymore evidence that it was him. How can you verify your other customers who lost their HCIM status did not do it themselves?

"Dude it was your fault that he scammed my customers... You gave him the opportunity to make money when you trusted him with more than his deposit"
I did trust him with amount almost equal to his deposit (320m). I did this because he had completed a job of 10 accounts for me. You can suggest I am naive, but any further is a weak argument when you consider:
- Scam quitting for 300m and losing a 300m deposit earns you a net profit of $0. From my knowledge of his other clients (Ironmen) he did not have that much financial motive. Also it was not easy to take the 300m I trusted him with, approx 2 hours of labour.
- He scammed accounts in the first order with no knowledge of the value of the second order. To restate, he was hacking before the 300m trust. Even if I partially motivated his scam quit by accident, the fact that he scammed me in the first order justifies my compensation demand.
- He died on people's HCIMs. This is purely malicious and not for financial gain. So to suggest my gp trust was complete motivation is wrong.

 

Firstly, there is no way to tell who hacked your accounts the first time around as 3 people had access to the accounts. ( You, endeavour and the guy you bought the accounts from) I also know that he had no incentive to scam at that point in time cause it was way below his deposit.

Secondly, you went behind my back for the next order, not even informing me it was happening. This is a against my TOS.

(I have this in my TOS specifically for this exact situation)

Thirdly, You decided, without my knowledge to trust him with more than his deposit. This gave him incentive to scam the other orders he was working on too, so when you think about it, the whole reason I have lost a lot of money (refunding the other customers) was because you decided to give him a chance to scam big.

 

Also, I suggest only putting in the chatlogs which are actually evidence of your claims, no one has the time to read through the entire chat history.

 

[emedem]

"Can't tell who hacked", "Behind my back", "trusted him with too much"...Same old arguments, all of which I have already disproved/refuted in the post above.

The relevant chat is in the screenshots and if anyone wants complete proof they can read the original chatlogs. They are in their complete form unedited as I have nothing to hide.

 

[NakedPotato]

Let me know if mod-rs can help with this dispute in any way.

 

In situations wherein you want to be absolutely certain about items missing from an account, the best solution is to provide the service provider with a password change link. This ensures that only 1 party (service provider) has access to the account (he will be able to change the password to one of his choosing, until the end of the service) . I suggest people start doing this to ensure only 1 party is to blame.

 

[emedem]

This is not a bad precedent for future deals, but for the one at hand it implies that I am dishonest about how much money was on the accounts. This is disingenuous as there are messages all through the group chat of how much the service cost and how much money was on each account which correspond to how much I what compensation for. I am not trying to receive compensation for anything remotely ambiguous.

I think its time a mod properly review this and make a decision. How can this be arranged?

 

To get this straight again - you are asking for compensation of an order that occurred some time ago - though you both came to an agreement that the accounts you purchased may have been double sold so someone else had the credentials. But since the worker got reported for scam quiting you are claiming he is the one responsible now?

 

[emedem]

Yes. Also the claim that the accounts were double-sold is highly unlikely I have a statement from the mod-rs owner about this:

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To my mind, given their scale, reputation and my personal experience with them, he is unlikely to be lying.

 

Yes. Also the claim that the accounts were double-sold is highly unlikely I have a statement from the mod-rs owner about this:

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To my mind, given their scale, reputation and my personal experience with them, he is unlikely to be lying.

You said it yourself, it's highly unlikely. Though mistakes do happen. Nothing is solid here stating on who removed the wealth off of the accounts, or is there proof on wealth being on the account. Your discord message saying that each account has 9m on it is not proof. Is it possible Yirru's worker stole the wealth? Yes, but it's also possible that someone else did it, four people yourself, original owner, yirru and Endeavor has access to the account. Sorry but unless you can come up with solid evidence this report will be closed.

 

[emedem]

By that logic why is it fair that Yirru compensated other customers for their hacked goods? How could they have proven it was Endeavor? They could have logged on to their own HCIMs, died, and requested compensation? Or they could have coincidentally been hacked at the same time by some1 else. They had much less evidence than i have and still received compensation.

You seem to second guess everything I say, despite the fact I'm the one providing unedited transcripts of everything, and the only one who definitely has not hacked. Why is the discord message saying the accounts have 9m on them not proof? Look when it was posted. Why would I lie about how much was on the accounts to people doing a service for me who also have the password. And nobody corrected me. Typically in account levelling, most service providers would clarify if what I said did not match the reality of the account, as a way of protecting themselves. You can't get better evidence than this. Images of gp on each account can easily be faked, while none of this logic can be.

It's completely counter-intuitive for it to have been me, as I replaced the accounts after they were hacked. If its Yirru then I still want compensation. I bought those accs in a batch and I've now used all the accs from that batch. As expected the only ones compromised were the ones provided to Endeavor and Yirru. If you want screenshots of this I can PM them to you. The point im making, is to say it was anyone other than endeavor/Yirru is not really plausible.

 

By that logic why is it fair that Yirru compensated other customers for their hacked goods? How could they have proven it was Endeavor? They could have logged on to their own HCIMs, died, and requested compensation? Or they could have coincidentally been hacked at the same time by some1 else. They had much less evidence than i have and still received compensation.

You seem to second guess everything I say, despite the fact I'm the one providing unedited transcripts of everything, and the only one who definitely has not hacked. Why is the discord message saying the accounts have 9m on them not proof? Look when it was posted. Why would I lie about how much was on the accounts to people doing a service for me who also have the password. And nobody corrected me. Typically in account levelling, most service providers would clarify if what I said did not match the reality of the account, as a way of protecting themselves. You can't get better evidence than this. Images of gp on each account can easily be faked, while none of this logic can be.

It's completely counter-intuitive for it to have been me, as I replaced the accounts after they were hacked. If its Yirru then I still want compensation. I bought those accs in a batch and I've now used all the accs from that batch. As expected the only ones compromised were the ones provided to Endeavor and Yirru. If you want screenshots of this I can PM them to you. The point im making, is to say it was anyone other than endeavor/Yirru is not really plausible.

Your asking for a refund of something that happened before his workers scam quit. Additionally, after this "hacking" occurred did the guy not continue to work with you and complete some accounts? I can't make another user pay for something that he possibly wasn't at fault for. Its your words of "it doesn't make sense for the owner or myself to hack the accounts" versus his same words. Seeing as you are not able to provide additional evidence as I requested I will be closing this report. I'm sorry for who ever caused damage to your accounts.