[resolved]

Scammer's profile link: @jacco96 & @Dev_Zach
Explanation of the trade: I paid for a bot from Zach for $30 to keep track of the total bets made by consumers at MG.
Amount scammed: $30, 34m 07
How they scammed:
When I asked for the Wagers bot, he tried to explain he doesn't keep peoples code on his pc. But this isn't the case, he instead improved it slightly and uses it on hydra bets till this day. He also deleted a bunch of messages he sent me knowing he fucked up in doing so. Can I also say this guy basically copied our recruit key for a key they call bear key.
Proof that it's their Discord:
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID:
haantje30#9608, 311772111255633920.
Zach#2679, 209081432956600320
Other relevant trade screenshots:

Proof that haantje owes me outstanding debts:

Description the way it used to work: When haantje was not a traitor he use to host for both me, and him. And his job was to split me 50/50 on all bets he took. He would keep a tab with me in a group chat called Admins, and I could collect my money from him like I had previously done for months, when he reached a amount worth cashing out. This was the case, until I had to remove him from the split group due to his removal from MG as a whole, for corruption and conspiring. However he could still be added to this group chat at any point, and I still have left the group chat open since. I have told him a few times about this debt, however it still has not been paid.

This can only confirm he has heard me:

Proof that he owes me 34m:

He has also tried to blackmail me before:

And he admits here that the only reason he was appealing unjustified kicking rulings, was due that the whole thing was to sabotage my operation.

More screenshots of where he made another rank lose 800m because of this lack of experience, and personal agenda, Win them on side and then take the lot. I had nothing but love for every one of my ranks except this one huge snake who thought he had big enough feet to fill the boots and now the cheated victim feels what it's like to be left alone managing a copy of my clan which I will provide screenshots for underneath this post:

How I tried to handle Haantje when he made bad decision after bad decision:
Imgur <- click to see screenshots regarding the money that was lost to incompetence, and bad management by Haantje69 96*




Also I would just like to say that the guy @Dev_Zach should be penalised for his persistent efforts, to ruin set clans, including mine. This guy is a scripter that holds you ransom forces you to pay more. And will not give you the code unless you increase his cut, and continued to do so for a while now. These facts we'e disputed by the owner of stake land, when staky was forced to increase Zachs split from 10%, to 50% as he had teamed up with my former admin haantje, and figured he'd take the bot from stakeland, and use it somewhere else, how ever this is what he did with mine. With a small layout change, and time tracker. This can be proven by stake land himself. And I caught wind of this from discussions held with my team, and how I thought Zach was a snake before I even knew him. It turns out he has been the snake for Hydra Bets the whole time, and his admins had no idea. Once again playing both sides even with me, and his soon to be new clan.

Proof that this kid is untrustful, well for a start he copied my keys, and tried to act like it was his own. This whole clan is a rip off, intermediate level of stake land, and Mentarley Gold. Now I'll show you how the two keys in both clans, have the same prices, odds, and item amount/item choice.


I tried to get my script from @Dev_Zach which has been confirmed via sythe confirmation pm. And he said this:

After realising he may of said something that could prove his a lier, as this is what he did. He deleted it and our messages now say this

Bear key:

Bear key item list: Imgur

Recruit key:

Recruit key item list: Imgur

 

[Dev Zach]

Hello!

Few things here:

1. Yes deleted my messages because you deleted all of yours and I looked like a fucking idiot talking to myself. You can clearly see so from the context of my messages that you sent which don't make sense when they stand alone:
   
   
   
   
2. I would like proof that I asked for more money from you because I'm more than positive that I said I didn't have the code and moved on (nor am I interested in any GP from you).
3. You didn't give me $30. You gave me 30m as shown in the contract below this post (currently worth about $18.60 @.62/m at the time of this post).
4. If Mods deem it's required to refund you 30m because you lost the code and removed the bot from your server - which is beyond my control, then I gladly will do so.
   
5. I made those keys, but not the items inside of them whatsoever. If you have a problem with the items inside of the keys you have the wrong person (I actually believe your host MG Alex#4525 (503176219089436672) made the items if I'm not mistaken).
6. The code is completely different for HB and MG. I deleted the code for MG once it was sent so I wouldn't be tempted to re-use it (like I do for all bots I create).
7. Yes, the printing format does look the same, there's only so many ways to show info on discord since embeds are so limited. Unless you're willing to report every gambling clan with a similar wager format (almost all of them), then I do not think your point is relevant.
8. We have a contract on Sythe. I do not believe it says I am liable for you losing your code and bot as shown below:

 

[jacco96]

Ooh goodies here we go again, how fun.

Let me start off by saying adding the name of the server I co-own and Zach develops for have nothing to do with this situation, for that reason I believe this is nothing more than once again an effort to revive that shit show you call a gambling server, or as someone else called it "a piggy bank" by tarnishing our name, same old same old.

Let me start off by referring back to the dispute we had against you, you said the following:

Screenshot - 19efa13d33a279b0e7a78bc6d06c686d - Gyazo

This literally says you "happily walk away" without claiming the money, for that reason I think it's safe to say that any debt I had with you is cleared, nice try.

Next up the "blackmail case"

Screenshot - a6c75fea09da1bab249693d439749f90 - Gyazo

I think I explained it quite well there.

In regards to "sabotaging your operation":

Screenshot - 4d99a8de0bd87fe495f769553c249d23 - Gyazo

Yeah, maybe however it wasn't me who posted the dispute, while you got me involved, so what's your point?

Alright, this is more of an effort of your ass trying to make me look bad than anything else, man you're a fucking 30 y/o manboy who lives at his parents' attic.

Screenshot - 5115f5d1f40dfe0d6245841ed2a12d52 - Gyazo

This is how you want to spend your birthday? LOOOOOOOOL

Alright let's not get off track too much (I'm lmao over you spending your birthday obsessed by me LOL)

You keep holding me responsible for someone losing their money. The person who lent the money is working to pay off his debts, I even lend him a couple hundred mill so he can PvM to make the money and paid me back no questions asked. This proofs his legitimacy as far as I'm concerned, not that this was ever questioned by me or anyone involved but you.
Let's switch it around right, you were the one inactive as fuck at the moment this loan was constructed between 2 friends, not 2 random hosts, 2 god damn friends. As I've stated before you have a severe god complex and you try to control EVERYTHING, up to a point where people were getting sick and tired of your behavior and ditched you, as you proved to be dead weight.

In regards to your screens you made through Imgur:

I have never plotted against you. I didn't even know I was going to be the owner of HB until the team bombarded me as owner as they thought of me as the owner of MG back in the day. Oh son, you thought you kept it running? After a month, maybe 2 of being MIA? hehe.

Screenshot - 6de50dad746727c40dc3483efa0a47f2 - Gyazo

I chose side wide the group that the server needed. The business didn't need your fucked up behavior, it didn't need your retarded way of thinking, it needed this team. The team that's been doing bits in their new home. You keep pointing the finger and clearly didn't learn from your mistakes, maybe that's the reason your dumb ass can't revive your dead ass server.


In regards to Zach "snaking":

This was known and has been talked about. At this point I'm very happy to have Zach on my side as the manager of HydraBets.

It's funny how 2 screens should proof a "knock off" about 2 gambling servers. Most gambling servers are very similar in multiple ways. We took a concept and made it better. Deal with it.

Please do yourself and everyone a favor and crawl back in the black hole you came from, I really cbf with your ass no more, I don't see you as a competitor, more of a joke at this point.

Happy Bday son.

 

[jacco96]

Sorry for the double post.

Source of Sythe screenshots:

[Resolved]

to Sythe admins;

I'm getting sick of this dude trying to tarnish my, the discords and my teams name by abusing the report a scammer system, everything in here that he has against me has been said before. For that reason I don't take him too serious at this point, I hope you guys can understand my frustration.

 

[MG Alex]

I Understand your anger/frustration but can we keep it civil?

Just to Quote Sythe Rules

Users will receive 1 infraction for the following:
Flaming, Harassment, Trolling:

• Using excessive profanity, insults, or derogatory comments towards another user.
• Partaking in behaviour intended to disturb or upset another user, creating bounty threads on another user.
• Deceiving members or staff for fun, humor, or to cause drama.
• Posting purposely to anger or to elicit a negative response from others for fun, humor, or to cause drama.
  
  I believe bullets Points 1,2 and 3 Are covered by these comments.
  
  "man you're a fucking 30 y/o manboy who lives at his parents' attic."
  "This is how you want to spend your birthday? LOOOOOOOOL"
  "I'm lmao over you spending your birthday obsessed by me LOL"
  "you have a severe god complex"
  "your dumb ass"
  "everyone a favor and crawl back in the black hole you came from"
  
  S

 

Firstly can you do

(include the .png on the end) because your asking people to click links. Which could possibly direct them to malicious software, phishing websites.

You say I have tried to tarnish your name multiple times, I have never tried to ruin your copy cat clan once, If you feel I have please state when, and provide screenshot evidence because these are just incorrect facts your spitting out, and none of this has ever happened, How ever on the flip side here's a nice picture to back up what I said previously.

This screenshot you tried to show which I'll do for you.

I addressed this at the sythe admins, that was managing the dispute, to get it sped up as it was hurting my name with these false accusations, how ever that was only if the sythe report was dropped by your side, but you never dropped it, thus I never once said ok don't pay me. As you can see in the screenshot you provided. That I was in fact talking about you, not to you.

 

[jacco96]

First off Alex:

Mister "I quote Sythe rules"

Do NOT post unless you have information on a report [YOU WILL BE INFRACTED OR TEMPORARILY BANNED]

As stated responding to a report without posting relevant information gets you an infraction. Eye for an eye.

Once again Ment I already stated in the original dispute I didn't expect the Sythe admins to do anything about it, you're literally here to proof a point when I made this myself, not to mention that you were the one involving me in said report, no one else.

 

[MG Alex]

Sorry Jacco but i was mentioned in this report therefore leading to me being "directly involved"

As the rules page you posted states "If you are not directly involved in a report within this forum and proceed to reply to a thread without information relevant to the specific case"

 

Ooh goodies here we go again, how fun.

Let me start off by saying adding the name of the server I co-own and Zach develops for have nothing to do with this situation, for that reason I believe this is nothing more than once again an effort to revive that shit show you call a gambling server, or as someone else called it "a piggy bank" by tarnishing our name, same old same old.

Lol ain't that what you tried to do to me and my clan? Bro your clan makes about 200m profit and 1.5b bets a week. And that's split between like 10 guys, As a owner there your probably on 40m, as a admin here you was on 200m+ so get your facts together because it's documented via a wager system right. Gosh


This is how you operate a clan? I'm wrong for wanting to control everything. No I just disagreed with what you was saying, not what the hosts were saying. Hence your admin got removed, and you got banned for getting saw about it.

Your system is just so bad. You offered all my ranks commision off the bot that wasn't even made yet staky had it not you!. So they would leave my clan and join yours. Congratulations it worked. But I don't see half the effort being made there than they did here. Where's bushy gone, jd, woon, All the MG og's you've got a couple of our old betters as mods now, that's MG.

How can this be better than mine????
dicing = 5 way split (15% each viral, haan, BPL, Apple, Xi) 25 % goes to discord hosting keys: 20% weekly (off profits) 15% goes to supermods+gfx designer 5% goes to mods` 60% goes to owners+Viral (3 way split) 20% goes to server and 1% goes to each mod.


In regards to you saying it was between two friends the 800m, no it wasn't it was between two hosts. If I require a host to take back a loan you let him, because it goes above his wager limit, I am well within my right to do so! You say he's trying to pay it back??? No he isn't he wanted to join my clan, and I said yeah pay your debts back when you get your money check he got his check, and went gambling. I knew this would happen. I warned you! and now you have this on your head because I said it would happen and it did!
OK SO WHY DOES YOUR WHOLE TEAM FEEL THIS WAY? ANSWER THIS!

Let me start off by referring back to the dispute we had against you, you said the following:

Screenshot - 19efa13d33a279b0e7a78bc6d06c686d - Gyazo


This literally says you "happily walk away" without claiming the money, for that reason I think it's safe to say that any debt I had with you is cleared, nice try.

I addressed this at the sythe admins, that was managing the dispute, to get it sped up as it was hurting my name with these false accusations, how ever that was only if the sythe report was dropped by your side, but you never dropped it, thus I never once said ok don't pay me. As you can see in the screenshot you provided. That I was in fact talking about you, not to you.

Next up the "blackmail case"

Screenshot - a6c75fea09da1bab249693d439749f90 - Gyazo

I think I explained it quite well there.

Once again how in the fuck can you say you never tried to black mail me when it's clear as day! I giffed this so you can't get out of it, you admitted to alex you was attempting to "put dirt on my name" out of the fact that you knew you couldn't win shit, because that was nothing i did wrong. And the only way for me to keep my sythe rep was to swap my discord for your sythe report, that is black mail. once again this delusion you keep chucking out there, only seems to be coming from you. with your inability to recignoise you was wrong in how you handled it, and the small threats in your mind but huge in reality, attempt. To only shut down the dispute if I handed over my discord server. This is what they call blackmail how do you not see the same thing?

In regards to "sabotaging your operation":

Screenshot - 4d99a8de0bd87fe495f769553c249d23 - Gyazo

You said I sabotaged your clan multiple times, where? before today, where is it? you are sick of me tarnishing your name, if it was that big of a deal. It would be documented via sythe surely? Oh wait theres only a dispute you made for me which got shut down on false grounds, and lack of evidence right?. You said your sick of this to admins, but what's there to be sick of. This is just facts, point blank. And your keys are nothing, they have odds way to high, nearly double of mine RANGING FROM 15% TO 22%. And you have 4 ranks that try to make money off the clan that can't because it all goes to the wallet system which is split out with about 11-15 people Owners, Developers, Moderators, Admins, and All the Super Moderators, and you as a owner (the guy that does everything apparently) is making 15% from his clans total income. PMSLL!!!!

Your clan is a copy from the rank roles, to the key system, to the channel layout, to the role colors, But I'm the unsuccessful one, I have changed the things back to how they was before your stupid strike put all the customers off the keys, So once people realise they can actually profit gambling here unlike yours. They'll once again enjoy the service.


Honestly this kid should get some sort of punishment for threats, directly, and in directly. From commenting about my birthday to posting videos of me irl. And black mailing me with the sythe dispute.

 

[Dev Zach]

I have zipped the files and re-sent them to your email instead of trying to copy paste the code into the body of an e-mail like I did in my previous send. If you feel anything is missing please let me know.

 

[jacco96]

Apparently you have the need to get some more attention, I'll give it to you one last time before waiting for the Sythe staff to make their verdict.

In response to Mentarley:

I am not going to respond in regards to the money the server makes, let's just say everything you say is way off. You claiming I made 200m in MG/week is one of the reasons I think you have a god complex. The hosts were losing money, couldn't even pay their weeklies and you think I was on 200m a week? So at least 400m profit as it was split between us? You are so far off it's a joke at this point. I am not sure whether you're just straight up lying at this point to get some attention or seriously think this way, you're a complete joke.

But let's swap it around, you're saying we make no money. I have talked to an ex host and one of your hosts (from after you tried to revive that server of yours). The ex host quit the server due to not making enough money to pay weeklies (well that's a returning problem, isn't it?) and the other one literally said it's slower than it is before the server shut down. Before the shut down the server was dead as fuck, so why are you trying to make us look bad profit-wise when your own hosts can't make money to pay their weeklies, great system you have there son.

You're talking about "operating a clan" but you went MIA for 1.5-2 months in about 3-4 months worth of time, that's how you operate a clan?

In regards to our hosts; both Woon and Bushhy stopped hosting as they were down too much money from MG and didn't have the time to continue at that point, I respect their decision. JD is where he belongs; with us, once again, your information is very flawed. People joined us before we made a decision on how money was distributed in the server, so there you go again; they joined because they have trust in BPL Zach and me, there where everyone was done with your behavior.

The % you throw out there is old, inaccurate and incorrect, it was a setup without discussion which I threw in the mix, I don't have a clue what you're trying to accomplish, you're making this report out to be more of a "who has the longest dick" competition, rather than focussing on what the main point is.

The 2 lads involved are friends, even after what happened. You keep putting a host role above friendship, which is one of the reasons you are nowhere near fit to be an owner of a clan. You have no idea how to manage people, you want everything your way, even though this was done outside of server bounds. No one blames me for the lad losing the money, besides you. It was their responsibility. In regards to him getting money back and gambling; you're not providing any proof whatsoever, I've pmed him and awaiting a response.

Why does my team feel what way? They're fucking around, they're friends, that's what they do :')

Every accusation I made to you in the initial report is grounded with evidence. In regards to the 34m:

Screenshot - 8b994547234b8ab10749afef1e7e17fe - Gyazo

As I told you the tab was -16.1, I sent this screenshot in the initial report. You literally said you would walk away from the report itself without making a fuzz about a couple 100 bucks, so why are you making a problem over 17.9m? If the Sythe staff comes to a verdict where I'd have to pay it, I will, no worries. Also, you haven't spoken to me once after the initial dispute, so throwing shit out there like "I contacted you multiple times" is fucking bullshit, get me the screens son.

Oh here we go again in regards to the "blackmail case". You were selling the discord as you were leaving the scene to go into the cooking business or some bullshit like that. You wanted the Sythe report removed and you had only one thing that was usefull to both me and the clan; the discord. I wasn't walking away from it without getting anything from it, so that trade would suffice as the amount of money you got reported was pretty close to the amount of money you seeked for the discord. Once again; all of this has been explained before.

The only one using the word "sabotage" is you. I claim that you try to tarnish our names, which is literally why you made this dispute. You once again claim I made the dispute against you, but you forget that it wasn't me who made it, it was @Replica GK Owner the only reason I responded was that you brought me in, no one else. What I'm sick off is that you keep trying to ruin our name rather than accepting the fact that your clan is dead beyond revival and we've outdone you hard, in every possible aspect. All our keys have a house edge between 10-11%, I'd love to see you try to contradict that, it's even mentioned in our ToS.

Let me explain to you how a wallet system works in regards to let's say a host:

A bettor cashes in 10m.
They transfer it to a host.
Host gives keys.
Bettor wins/loses a certain amount.
Bettor gets the money back.
Stays in wallet or cashes out.

I do not get a % of the money people have in their wallets, your information is flawed again. We reduced the risk for hosts to get banned to reduce the amount of in game trades to a bare minimum. Cashiers do get a pay for the money the cash in, that's the only rank getting money out of the system. Your information is once again very flawed and honestly I think you've ran out of ideas so you're throwing more and more random shit out there.

As I said within this dispute; We took your concept (the keys) and perfected it. "Boohoo he's using the same colours and ranks!!!!!" cry me a river mate. The strike wasn't my idea whatsoever, the person you have as an admin lead it to my knowledge, it has been well over 3 months. Have fun paying your dev 100's of $ once again to rework everything

Haven't made a threat to you, your birthday is openly on your Sythe, also it wasn't me who posted that youtube video, but hey, it's not like it was posted on youtube publicly, oh wait, it was.

In response to Istake54

You start off with saying we stole people from SL? We stole people? People with a clear mind who can make up their mind on who they want to be loyal to? Hmm.

1. Many ended up jobless and scammed? No one got scammed for one and the only one I can think off who isn't with us anymore who came from StakeLand is Barry, which has a different reason, which I will not discuss publicly. When you're making an accusation about scamming please provide proof, it shows once again that you're buthurt just like Ment and try to tarnish our name alongside him. I have never dealt with you personally, but from what I heard you and Ment could actually be family! You both have no fucking clue how to deal with people, maybe that's the main reason they left SL and MG, something better came along, you're talking about this being their jobs, welp when I get a better job opportunity, I'd leave my current position as well, not as a discord owner, but job-wise. You keep throwing shit out there without any form of evidence. I could throw out hella shit about you scamming right here right now, but without any proof to back it up; stop being such a blatant idiot, back your claims up.

The false report on you? The only reason you won it is because Zach budged and couldn't be arsed with you no more, consider yourself lucky.

2. The reasoning behind us leaving MG is all written down in the following dispute:

[Resolved]

We were in our right to leave his ass, I am not fully aware of what went down in SL, so I won't be commenting on it as that wouldn't be the right thing to do. All I know is that they were fed up with you as a person.

3. The DNT wasn't a mistake, as I said; the only reason you 'won' the dispute was because Zach was done with it and budged. Otherwise you would've still been DNT'ed and you know it. You scammed him out of server profits while using his shit, it's as easy as that. The penny's he made with you thought is not to be compared with what he's making now, hence the decision to stop the shitshow.

4. I am hella proud of where we stand as of now, we're doing great. You make the remark that our top bettors are our staff members, but as of now this week has seen over 11b in wager, in just our top 5, with 9b of that not being fed by people within the team. So once again, stop throwing shit in here just to sturr this shit, k thx.

You're literally saying Sythe staff is bribeable, yeah, that's a good way to end your report lmao. Once again; I fully support Zach on his decision to make a Sythe dispute against you and the only reason you 'won' is because he budged as he couldn't be fucked dealing with you no more.

When a scammer talks about dishonesty, I like it.

I'll wait for Sythe staff to further respond to it, this is going around in circles.

 

[Pendulum]

This is being discussed. I've removed the ad hominem posts that add nothing to this report

 

[Pendulum]

How they scammed:
When I asked for the Wagers bot, he tried to explain he doesn't keep peoples code on his pc.

You losing access to your VPS that stored the bot is not his fault. He created the script and delivered it to you, his job in the agreement is complete.

Can I also say this guy basically copied our recruit key for a key they call bear key.

You don't own this system, users are free to create/replicate their own giveaways. He is not allowed to use the bot he created for you with any new projects.

Proof that haantje owes me outstanding debts:

Description the way it used to work: When haantje was not a traitor he use to host for both me, and him. And his job was to split me 50/50 on all bets he took. He would keep a tab with me in a group chat called Admins, and I could collect my money from him like I had previously done for months, when he reached a amount worth cashing out. This was the case, until I had to remove him from the split group due to his removal from MG as a whole, for corruption and conspiring. However he could still be added to this group chat at any point, and I still have left the group chat open since. I have told him a few times about this debt, however it still has not been paid.

While the debts were originally relinquished, i've applied a DNT until this has been resolved

 

[Pendulum]

@jacco96 - I was unable to respond to your Discord DM but was messaged by other staff, the GP will need to be returned for this to be resolved.

 

[jacco96]

@Pendulum I've asked the question within this dispute as well as on discord,

How much?

I've been owed 16m by mentarley on which I provided a screenshot.

 

[Pendulum]

I've been owed 16m by mentarley on which I provided a screenshot.

The amount @Mentarley is owed is 17.9M 07

 

[Pendulum]

Any update to this @jacco96?

 

[Pendulum]

No response, banned

Lifted ban as there is still an attempt for repayment

 

[MG Alex]

Was just shown this extra 15.2m owed. Imgur

 

[Pendulum]

Was just shown this extra 15.2m owed. Imgur

This is not evidence of anything and will not be recognized in this report. You are free to open up your own report