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[Caporetto]

You had wealth plenty of times on that account without issue, and a recovery happens when i am not aware there is more gold on it than you keep as stock to start staking?

Yeah i wasn't staking this weekend was a excuse probably to steal the gold and trying to get away with it.

 

Yeah i wasn't staking this weekend was a excuse probably to steal the gold and trying to get away with it.

Likely story, recover an account when it's believed to have little gold on it as opposed to when you're actively staking chucking bills like you've described before

 

[Caporetto]

Likely story, recover an account when it's believed to have little gold on it as opposed to when you're actively staking chucking bills like you've described before

Yes because recovering it then would be way to obvious. Because i said i didn't stake this weekend made it look less obvious.

You're the owner of the account and it was set to your email. You recovered it and stole the wealth. Period.

 

Yes because recovering it then would be way to obvious. Because i said i didn't stake this weekend made it look less obvious.

You're the owner of the account and it was set to your email. You recovered it and stole the wealth. Period.

Yeah, better to recover an account thats set to my email when you're not online then no one would ever know - untilllll you logged in

The story you're trying to stick to doesn't add up either - you've literally stated in the past also you don't keep wealth on accounts you're not the original owner of as in your earlier photo you dug up for us

 

[Caporetto]

That was from February 2017 when we just met a month before that. After all that time and billions we have traded and having no issues with the account; yes i would keep wealth on it. You know i don't like trading over gold to much recently as i keep getting banned because of that.

 

[Caporetto]

Pretty insane your actually telling me i recovered it myself. Yet i do not even have any recovery information.

 

That was from February 2017 when we just met a month before that. After all that time and billions we have traded and having no issues with the account; yes i would keep wealth on it. You know i don't like trading over gold to much recently as i keep getting banned because of that.

You also claim to not like to keep too much on one account incase of a ban, yet you've somehow managed to apparently leave yourself with 1.4b on that acc

 

[Caporetto]

1.6b* and yeah it's an higher level x'er. Those kind of accounts do bigger stakes and transfering over that amount everytime i would logout would be asking for a ban.

But why are you suddenly mentioning the amount on the account? Must be getting hot under your feet.

 

[Rivenstarz]

That's true. But yet again we both have no clue how it happend. The account being locked probably happend because it was sold to someone else before. Never had any lock issues after that incident.

I had an Issue with an account I once purchased, from an overseas player, I was the only other person to have logged into the account, Apart from the OO and every time I logged in, I would get kicked and the account would be locked.

It can happen.

 

[Caporetto]

I had an Issue with an account I once purchased, from an overseas player, I was the only other person to have logged into the account, Apart from the OO and every time I logged in, I would get kicked and the account would be locked.

It can happen.

Thats not the case here. Case is he never mentioned he sold the account prior selling it to me. We both don't have any hard evidence this is true he didnt't tell me. Because it's to long ago.

 

[Caporetto]

I would like to clear out some things why it's very obvious and likely Dieze did this:

1. I was not staking this weekend. Making it from the perfect excuse for him to say he wouldn't steal anything because there would supposedly no wealth on the account.

2. What he did was just change the password normally to first check if there was anything of value on the account. If there wasn't it would simply be 'weird' that the password was changed just like with the other account, and we would simply fill in a password reset and be done with it. But in fact there was alot of wealth on it so he had to change the email in order to steal it or it would be to obvious because if only the password we're changed it would directly lead to Dieze because he has control of the connected email of the account. ( Why would it get recovered now after 1 year being purchased and with no issues )?

3. Now because there was alot of wealth he had to check account 2 as well. So he did the exact same thing; change the password to check for any wealth. But there wasn't any on it. He couldn't change the email of that account aswell because i only recently bought it so it would be way to obvious if 2 purchased accounts would get recovered 'at the same time'. So he threw it on 'You must have mistyped the password or something'. It's so obvious....

4. In Dieze's shoes it would be worth the risk to try and get away with it because he has a good reputation on this website. Adding up the 2 accounts with one being recovered and all wealth stolen at the right moment and the second account's password changed makes it a 1+1 = 2 situation and makes it so obvious what happend here.

Things like this should not be tolerated on Sythe nor any other RuneScape related forums. Imagine ANY account seller could just recover any of their sold accounts with wealth on it, steal it, and just pretend innocent and get away with it. Any person with a good reputation on these forums could just steal billions of a sold account if they would know the right time when to recover; pretend innocent, and get away with it. That shouldn't be tolerated.

I demand a full refund of the stolen wealth ~1.6b 07 and my money back for both accounts that i purchased of Dieze because clearly they are not secure for me to play on.

 

[WYD]

I had an Issue with an account I once purchased, from an overseas player, I was the only other person to have logged into the account, Apart from the OO and every time I logged in, I would get kicked and the account would be locked.

It can happen.

Well that funny i have nmz over 400+ RuneScape accounts and never got one locked in my lifetime.

 

I would like to clear out some things why it's very obvious and likely Dieze did this:

1. I was not staking this weekend. Making it from the perfect excuse for him to say he wouldn't steal anything because there would supposedly no wealth on the account.

2. What he did was just change the password normally to first check if there was anything of value on the account. If there wasn't it would simply be 'weird' that the password was changed just like with the other account, and we would simply fill in a password reset and be done with it. But in fact there was alot of wealth on it so he had to change the email in order to steal it or it would be to obvious because if only the password we're changed it would directly lead to Dieze because he has control of the connected email of the account. ( Why would it get recovered now after 1 year being purchased and with no issues )?

3. Now because there was alot of wealth he had to check account 2 as well. So he did the exact same thing; change the password to check for any wealth. But there wasn't any on it. He couldn't change the email of that account aswell because i only recently bought it so it would be way to obvious if 2 purchased accounts would get recovered 'at the same time'. So he threw it on 'You must have mistyped the password or something'. It's so obvious....

4. In Dieze's shoes it would be worth the risk to try and get away with it because he has a good reputation on this website. Adding up the 2 accounts with one being recovered and all wealth stolen at the right moment and the second account's password changed makes it a 1+1 = 2 situation and makes it so obvious what happend here.

Things like this should not be tolerated on Sythe nor any other RuneScape related forums. Imagine ANY account seller could just recover any of their sold accounts with wealth on it, steal it, and just pretend innocent and get away with it. Any person with a good reputation on these forums could just steal billions of a sold account if they would know the right time when to recover; pretend innocent, and get away with it. That shouldn't be tolerated.

I demand a full refund of the stolen wealth ~1.6b 07 and my money back for both accounts that i purchased of Dieze because clearly they are not secure for me to play on.

We're going round in circles here, you're stating the same points over and over which imo dont make sense. It'd make alot more sense to recover an account when there is knowledge of large amounts of gold on it if my intentions were to scam you which they are not.

In what sense does any of your second point make sense, if i was recovering both accounts and there was wealth on the first one at the time i supposedly scammed you - why wait until the day after, let you reset the password yourself, wait a bit longer then supposedly try hack the second account? Surely it'd be logical to do both accounts at the same time, when i've apparently scored big by taking the wealth of the first?

Good rep doesn't let you "get away" with intentional scamming - a good rep which i personally believe i have is hard earned through trust and not easily broken - your points do not make logical sense and you're simply trying to pin the blame on me.

I have no way of checking if the password on the second account was incorrect, as only you knew it. Regarding the first account the account was played on your IP for over a year, with multiple password changes during that time, its conceivable that you've built up enough recovery information on the account to submit an appeal yourself to get the email changed yourself and frame me for something i did not do.

Unless you have more evidence to add (or any evidence of your claims at all) then post it, otherwise i suggest we both wait for a moderator to make a decision on what i need to refund to resolve this situation.

@veng @video

Also to note - only the account that you'd had a year happened to have the email changed - the account in which you was able to build up more recovery information on. Not the account you purchased a week or so ago which you've had little to no recovery info on.

 

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We're going round in circles here, you're stating the same points over and over which imo dont make sense. It'd make alot more sense to recover an account when there is knowledge of large amounts of gold on it if my intentions were to scam you which they are not.

In what sense does any of your second point make sense, if i was recovering both accounts and there was wealth on the first one at the time i supposedly scammed you - why wait until the day after, let you reset the password yourself, wait a bit longer then supposedly try hack the second account? Surely it'd be logical to do both accounts at the same time, when i've apparently scored big by taking the wealth of the first?

Good rep doesn't let you "get away" with intentional scamming - a good rep which i personally believe i have is hard earned through trust and not easily broken - your points do not make logical sense and you're simply trying to pin the blame on me.

I have no way of checking if the password on the second account was incorrect, as only you knew it. Regarding the first account the account was played on your IP for over a year, with multiple password changes during that time, its conceivable that you've built up enough recovery information on the account to submit an appeal yourself to get the email changed yourself and frame me for something i did not do.

Unless you have more evidence to add (or any evidence of your claims at all) then post it, otherwise i suggest we both wait for a moderator to make a decision on what i need to refund to resolve this situation.

@veng @video

Also to note - only the account that you'd had a year happened to have the email changed - the account in which you was able to build up more recovery information on. Not the account you purchased a week or so ago which you've had little to no recovery info on.

Yeah i was making up a summary of all the events that happend and why i'm 100% positive you did it.

And as for the second point. That account was in training which you knew so you knew there wouldn't be any wealth on it. Yet when you hacked my first account you checked my other account aswell. Because you found out i actually put alot of wealth on accounts that you are the owner of.

I'm not saying people with good reputation get away with things easy. What i'm saying is anyone with a good reputation would be able to just sell off accounts and recover them as they see fit and steal the wealth on them. They shouldn't be able to get away with it.

I was given 0,0 recovery information upon purchase. No way i can recover an account with only some previous passwords. Also doesn't make sense, i sent you a picture earlier of me winning 1.5b 07; meaning there would be 2.8b+ on the account. If i we're to make up this story because i supposedly did it myself then that would have been a much better oppurtunity to do it.

And no, i don't have more evidence than this. As this story i just posted is way more than enough to prove the obvious. I've done my side of the story. Let's wait for the Moderators to make a decision.

 

Yet when you hacked my first account you checked my other account aswell. Because you found out i actually put alot of wealth on accounts that you are the owner of.

The second account wasnt apparently hacked until the next day from which you're referring to?

I was given 0,0 recovery information upon purchase. No way i can recover an account with only some previous passwords.

You had access to the account for a year; you could have paid for membership with card/paypal info etc during that time quite easily - multiple passwords, creation date from hans etc. It's not difficult to build up recovery information on an account.

 

Idk if it will help or not, but i have sold an account that ive owned for like 8 years and that person has been given only previous passwords and is now able to recover the acc himself without my help after having the acc for 5 month+ now ( i doubt i can even do a successful recovery anymore)

 

[Caporetto]

The second account wasnt apparently hacked until the next day from which you're referring to?

No idea. Yes it happend the next day after i reset the password with you but i was at work so i didn't log in to the hacked account until i got home. Could have happend the very same time or day. All i know is i had access the night before. Won a few 100M and left it with ~1.6b.



You had access to the account for a year; you could have paid for membership with card/paypal info etc during that time quite easily - multiple passwords, creation date from hans etc. It's not difficult to build up recovery information on an account.

And no you can recover the account right now or email or call Jagex to ask for that kind of information. I haven't used any other membership methods than bonds. The age and previous password are not enough to recover an account. You need alot more information than that, only the original owner should have that kind of information.

 

Idk if it will help or not, but i have sold an account that ive owned for like 8 years and that person has been given only previous passwords and is now able to recover the acc himself without my help after having the acc for 5 month+ now ( i doubt i can even do a successful recovery anymore)

thanks for the input, i was still able to sucessfuly recover the account after a 2-3 hour review by jagex but it wasnt instant.

The second account where the email wasn't changed was only given access to a week or so ago, so makes sense this wasn't able to be recovered due to not having enough info built up.

 

[Caporetto]

The second account wasnt apparently hacked until the next day from which you're referring to?



You had access to the account for a year; you could have paid for membership with card/paypal info etc during that time quite easily - multiple passwords, creation date from hans etc. It's not difficult to build up recovery information on an account.

No idea. Yes it happend the next day after i reset the password with you but i was at work so i didn't log in to the hacked account until i got home. Could have happend the very same time or day. All i know is i had access the night before. Won a few 100M and left it with ~1.6b.

 

And no you can recover the account right now or email or call Jagex to ask for that kind of information. I haven't used any other membership methods than bonds. The age and previous password are not enough to recover an account. You need alot more information than that, only the original owner should have that kind of information.

I recovered the account with 7 passwords and the creation date and my home IP - what other information are you referring to?

You'd have 2/3 of them, plus possibly payment information and a simple VPN with a UK address would most likely do the trick

Looks like this has been pointed out by Excelont previously in another dispute thread

Jsand recovered max main RIP