Abortion

[TJ]

It's indeed a human life. It's breathing and eating, or it couldn't survive in the atmosphere around it, correct? It's not a rule, but you choose to accept the responsibilities of having a child. Because, possibly a child could come, but you're killing a life. When you abort it of course..

Ok, so when the government becomes a dictatorship, tells you what to wear, do, say etc. then dont come crying to anyone. This is what will happen if abortion is illegal.

Once you don't allow one right, then all the other rights start to be questioned and then slowly the government falls, making us more likely to have a dictatorship.

Thanks.

 

[Louder]

Babys do eat in the Womb, Babys eat this mineral liquid that keeps it alive in the womb.I think that if it comes under the class as Rape then it should be legalized.

But other then that. It's classed as murder.
Lets put it into a situation. Your mothers a 14 year old that has sex with a 17 year old. He doesn't wear a condom, You don't take the pill. She finds out your pregnant. And then when your 3 months till due. She finally decides she cant have it, Her mother wont talk to her because she's got the baby. And she's nearly 15 now. Your alive in the womb and your thinking. Then suddenly your life is taking away. Your not thinking anymore.
All because of your STUPID slut mum.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Babys do eat in the Womb, Babys eat this mineral liquid that keeps it alive in the womb.I think that if it comes under the class as Rape then it should be legalized.

But other then that. It's classed as murder.
Lets put it into a situation. Your mothers a 14 year old that has sex with a 17 year old. He doesn't wear a condom, You don't take the pill. She finds out your pregnant. And then when your 3 months till due. She finally decides she cant have it, Her mother wont talk to her because she's got the baby. And she's nearly 15 now. Your alive in the womb and your thinking. Then suddenly your life is taking away. Your not thinking anymore.
All because of your STUPID slut mum.

If it's a human life, then surely you won't want to kill it just because the mother was raped. Would you kill an innocent by stander to save a woman from some extra trauma?

I doubt very much that a baby in the womb thinks.

 

[TJ]

All because of your STUPID slut mum.

Wow dude you need to learn what a slut is. Just because she has sex 1 time and gets pregnant means that shes a slut? You need to get a life. Hopefully if you have a daughter someday and she gets pregnant from sex after 1 time, then you can see that a person who has sex 1 time is not a slut.

BTW, this is what slut means an immoral or dissolute woman; prostitute

Thanks.

 

[DrDeath]

But why have an abortion when you can just bring your baby to the hospital and the will take it for free and will not ask any questions. Its called "The Safe Haven Law"

 

[T R 1 B A L]

from a religious aspect though, who is the mother to decide that she has the power and authority to destroy a creation of God? even if she can destroy it, surely that is against God's will, she went through the pleasure of having sex, not thinking about the future, so shuldn't she pay the consequences?

i think that she shouldn't have the right to abort unless it affects HER life (e.g. she dies if it survives)

 

[TJ]

But why have an abortion when you can just bring your baby to the hospital and the will take it for free and will not ask any questions. Its called "The Safe Haven Law"

Why carry the baby around for 9 months if you are just going to get rid of it?

 

[♀Alien♀]

Why carry the baby around for 9 months if you are just going to get rid of it?

It's called a conscience.

 

[Shredderbeam]

But why have an abortion when you can just bring your baby to the hospital and the will take it for free and will not ask any questions. Its called "The Safe Haven Law"

That would mean that you would have to give birth to it.

from a religious aspect though, who is the mother to decide that she has the power and authority to destroy a creation of God? even if she can destroy it, surely that is against God's will, she went through the pleasure of having sex, not thinking about the future, so shuldn't she pay the consequences?

i think that she shouldn't have the right to abort unless it affects HER life (e.g. she dies if it survives)

1). Society is, and should always be, secular.

2). Did God make her pregnant, or did she do it herself?

It's called a conscience.

Abortion doesn't bother my conscience.

 

[hashslinger]

The Supreme Court´s ruling in 1972 of Rowe vs Wade determined that the government can not force a woman to have a baby against her will. Many feel this to be wrong but many love this law.

Because the law was set forth that women have the right to chose whether or not to kill their child, millions of future american citizens have been killed.

the rates for abortions are:
120,000 a day
42,000,000 a year

How do you feel about abortion? And tell me... If you are all for abortion, How would you fell if you mom thought the same way.

 

[TJ]

Resurrected!! Wooo

Okay, anyways.

I have a theory that if you start limiting people's rights, then everything will follow like a domino effect, and we start to limit more rights. You are already seeing it in the world today : Homosexual rights, abortion, smoking, etc.

Another reason : You really cant stop anything from happening. There will still be abortions. There are still drug doers.

Aruge with me, discuss, etc.

 

[wcer2552]

idk im kind of torn between both cause on one hand basicly like killin someone because its still a human being when its in her stomach and it still is a living breathing creature. on the other hand i believe it is their freedom of right to be able to correct the mistake they made if they do not want a baby.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I don't consider a fetus a human life as long as it's within the uterus. There's no reason to be torn.

 

[Dementus]

If it's a human life, then surely you won't want to kill it just because the mother was raped. Would you kill an innocent by stander to save a woman from some extra trauma?

I doubt very much that a baby in the womb thinks.

Okay this is pathetic, it is clearly a life.
I will post an article by my friend, giving you all the facts and de-bunking any possible arguments you could have. It all comes down to selfishness and the liberal world believing murder should be a right. There comes a point in which you have to say no, and liberal just seem to hate that word.

And if the cessation of a heartbeat can define death;
then why do you refuse to let the onset of a heartbeat define life?

And to correct the prior comment on page like 3...
Heartbeats start at 18 days...not 13.

 

[Dementus]

I don't consider a fetus a human life as long as it's within the uterus. There's no reason to be torn.

And viability is possibly the worst argument ever provided, and I know you will just post another ignorant comment in response to mine but...

we have people TODAY who can not live without the help of other people even after they are born, should we kill them too? are they any less of a life?

Viability is such a bogus argument, find a new one.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Okay this is pathetic, it is clearly a life.
I will post an article by my friend, giving you all the facts and de-bunking any possible arguments you could have. It all comes down to selfishness and the liberal world believing murder should be a right. There comes a point in which you have to say no, and liberal just seem to hate that word.

I'll be waiting for that article.

Selfishness? No, no. There is a right to personal privacy.

And if the cessation of a heartbeat can define death;
then why do you refuse to let the onset of a heartbeat define life?

It's a life, then, but not what I consider a human life, with all the rights and privileges guaranteed to one. Or, if heartbeat defines life, is somebody on a life support machine considered "not alive", and has no rights?

And viability is possibly the worst argument ever provided, and I know you will just post another ignorant comment in response to mine but...

I don't go by the argument of viability. I go by the argument of "when it's born, it is a separate life".

we have people TODAY who can not live without the help of other people even after they are born, should we kill them too?

If you can physically survive without biological aid from another being, or if you have been able to at one point, then you are a life.

 

[Shredderbeam]

So, you think there is no emotional impact on the mother after the abortion? That is completely false. If complete an expansive survey of all women who've receive and abortion, the vast majority will agree that they suffer from anxiety, regret and potentially depression.

Irrelevant. People are free to do as they will. You cannot outlaw a behavior based upon how people regret it. By that logic, would you disallow young people from getting married, as they might regret it later?

And I credit you as a very intelligent person; you must have seen the images of the abortions. The gruesome, inhumane and vile actions that are committed in an abortion clinic.

WARNING: THOSE OF YOU WITH WEAK STOMACHS OR WHO ARE DISTURBED BY BLOOD AND DEATH, LOOK AWAY OR SCROLL DOWN PAST THE IMAGES.

Sure, I've seen them. They really don't upset me, though.

 

[Dementus]

It's a life, then, but not what I consider a human life, with all the rights and privileges guaranteed to one. Or, if heartbeat defines life, is somebody on a life support machine considered "not alive", and has no rights?

Damn, it's unfortunate that it's all legal and cool because of what you believe is a life. Ask a doctor when it is considered a life... I'd say s/he would know a little bit more than you on the issue. There is no room for debate on when it becomes a life, its just a pathetic argument to justify murder as a right craved by the selfish and un-educated.

 

[xrooneygoalx]

I don't consider a fetus a human life as long as it's within the uterus. There's no reason to be torn.

So, you think there is no emotional impact on the mother after the abortion? That is completely false. If complete an expansive survey of all women who've receive and abortion, the vast majority will agree that they suffer from anxiety, regret and potentially depression. The reason being is that alot of women feel pressured to rid of the baby, as quickly as possible, to get it over with and rid themselves of this "lump of skin". They do little research about the actual procedure and the doctor doesn't inform them about the procedure either. The doctor's just in it for the money; the last concern of his is the person's emotional status after the operation. Anyways, they get into the operation room to find out the horrors of abortion. When they wish that they wouldn't have done it, the doctor already has a vacuum/ scissors up their uterus, killing the child.

And I credit you as a very intelligent person; you must have seen the images of the abortions. The gruesome, inhumane and vile actions that are committed in an abortion clinic.

WARNING: THOSE OF YOU WITH WEAK STOMACHS OR WHO ARE DISTURBED BY BLOOD AND DEATH, LOOK AWAY OR SCROLL DOWN PAST THE IMAGES.

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Now, do you think that doesn't look like death? Does that not look like infanticide to you? That should be deemed a capitol offense and they should be tried for murder.

Now, I'll go through a few of the techniques.

1) The Scissor Method- The fetus is pulled from the mother's upper uterus. Then it's limbs are broken to alleviate difficult of removal. Then a pair of scissors are rammed into the back of the fetus's head until all life is gone. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed; the remaining "lumps of skin" are vacuumed out.

2) The fetus is small enough to be vacuumed out. Then placed in a receptacle as though it's nothing more than trash. As though it has no use, no potential, no benefit to the world.

3)Dilation and Cutterage-This method is similar to the suction method with the added insertion of a loop-shaped knife (curette) which cuts the baby into pieces. These pieces are scraped out through the cervix and discarded.

All of these are common methods practiced at all abortion clinics. More often than not women are put in pressure situations where they feel the "need" to get rid of the child, only seeing abortion as an option.

There are a number of options. One being putting the baby up for adoption. However, by using the method of abortion, you're giving the child no chance. Nobody can see the future, yet you assume you're doing the best for the child.

I understand certain circumstances where abortion should be allowed; as much as I hate to say it.

Here are a few:

1) Birth complications- The mother may die as a result of the birth or while giving birth due to health complications.

2)Fallopian Attachment- The fetus grew inside the fallopian tubes rather than the uterus. If the fetus is allowed to continue growth the mother will inevitably die.

RAPE IS NOT AN EXCUSE! Please, put the child up for adaption. Do not take a life because of one man/women's poor actions.

As a last word-
Every baby should be given a fighting chance at life. The life of a baby should not be at the hands of the mother. Just because it is inside her, doesn't mean it's not life. Don't be a dumb ass and say: "Well, it's not technically a baby because it's not out yet." That may be true when speaking by scientific terms; yet you an I both know it will be a child soon enough, a breathing, living, beautiful baby. It's not going to stay a fetus forever, it will become a baby.

Thank you and please chose life.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Damn, it's unfortunate that it's all legal and cool because of what you believe is a life. Ask a doctor when it is considered a life... I'd say s/he would know a little bit more than you on the issue. There is no room for debate on when it becomes a life, its just a pathetic argument to justify murder as a right craved by the selfish and un-educated.

Ah, ad hominem attack, once again.

A woman has the right to her own body. If she wanted to, she could commit suicide, which would kill the child, since it is fully dependent on her for survival. It would literally die within a few minutes of her death.

You're just smearing us, now, with "you're all selfish and un-educated!". You haven't really backed it up at all.

Now, do you think that doesn't look like death? Does that not look like infanticide to you?

Not really, given the knowledge that they were in the uterus beforehand.

I understand certain circumstances where abortion should be allowed; as much as I hate to say it.

Here are a few:

1) Birth complications- The mother may die as a result of the birth or while giving birth due to health complications.

2)Fallopian Attachment- The fetus grew inside the fallopian tubes rather than the uterus. If the fetus is allowed to continue growth the mother will inevitably die.

Would you sacrifice a perfectly normal, healthy 20 year old man to save a random woman? No, this would be a violation of their right to life. If these fetuses are people, then why do you accept sacrificing them to save the mother? Clearly, you do not attribute to them the same rights as you do to the 20 year old man.