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Abortion

Owen1993 said:
I agree.

Abortion SHOULD NOT be used just because you were an idiot got pregnant when you didn't want to. There are TOO MANY ways to stop yourself from getting pregnant and when you get pregnant, you want to kill a baby that has a chance at life? Nah.

And to the people who say "what if they can't afford it" etc. You don't have to keep the baby. Theres something called adoption agency's that are more than willing to take the baby in. It's not "full". Watch the news, babys that are found in a dumpster get more than 1000 people wanting to take that baby in their home.
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Unfortunately most of the "stupid" people you are talking about includes at least half the world. If you are going to punish them by forcing them to have babies, yeah I don't think its going to help anyone.

More specifically, abortions are more necessary in places where poverty already exists. These places are also where proper education is either non-existent or much less prevalent. Forcing these people further into poverty by forcing them to have unwanted children is going to make their situation much worse.

Do you also realize that no serious sociologist, economist, or not-retarded person sees adoption as a viable alternative to abortion? Do you think there are good adoption agencies all over the ghettos and in poor countries?

Are you aware of the problem that currently exists in South and Central America? It is a monument to what occurs when you let foolish, arrogant ideologies overtake your rationality. Banning abortion does not lower the amount of kids people have. It also doesn't lower, or only very slightly lowers the amount of abortions people get. The difference being that instead of getting their abortions in safe, sanitized environment, they are forced to get them through other means and many women end up dying from bleeding, infection, etc.

Lastly, in most courts, murder is considered a worse crime than rape. To those that consider killing babies murder, why would you make an exception for women who were raped?
 
AkA_Stoney said:
i dont think it should even be an option to be able to , produce and then terminate, a baby, no, and theres always, giving your baby to someone that wants it , how bout that, who knows how long we have left...
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It's not a human life until it's seperate from the mother.
 
Owen1993 said:
I agree.

Abortion SHOULD NOT be used just because you were an idiot got pregnant when you didn't want to. There are TOO MANY ways to stop yourself from getting pregnant and when you get pregnant, you want to kill a baby that has a chance at life? Nah.

And to the people who say "what if they can't afford it" etc. You don't have to keep the baby. Theres something called adoption agency's that are more than willing to take the baby in. It's not "full". Watch the news, babys that are found in a dumpster get more than 1000 people wanting to take that baby in their home.
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i do however agree somewhat to this but why cant you just put it up for adoption?
pretty shitty to destroy a life.
 
Whether the fetus is considered human or not cannot be the basis for argument. The only thing it's really good for is specific policy-making purposes after you have already reached a conclusion.

Which still raises the question- how did you reach it?

i do however agree somewhat to this but why cant you just put it up for adoption?
pretty shitty to destroy a life.
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Hey read my post just above.
 
No you clearly don't agree with me. Not even close.

Perhaps you need to re-read what I said.
 
Shredderbeam said:
If it's a human life, then abortion is murder.
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And you are still left with the challenge of explaining why it is necessarily wrong to kill a human. Hence, it cannot be the basis of your argument.

Like I said, if you can prove that abortion is a bad thing, it would stand to reason that you should base your laws on murder accordingly (to include abortion). However, most people can't seem to explain why it's wrong without making a number of faulty premises and thus are unable to reach a proper conclusion.

In summary, whether abortion is murder is a question you should be asking after you have arrived at a conclusion on whether it is desirable or not through proper logical reasoning, not before and not as a means of determining if it is desirable.
 
ism said:
Unfortunately most of the "stupid" people you are talking about includes at least half the world. If you are going to punish them by forcing them to have babies, yeah I don't think its going to help anyone.

More specifically, abortions are more necessary in places where poverty already exists. These places are also where proper education is either non-existent or much less prevalent. Forcing these people further into poverty by forcing them to have unwanted children is going to make their situation much worse.

Do you also realize that no serious sociologist, economist, or not-retarded person sees adoption as a viable alternative to abortion? Do you think there are good adoption agencies all over the ghettos and in poor countries?

Are you aware of the problem that currently exists in South and Central America? It is a monument to what occurs when you let foolish, arrogant ideologies overtake your rationality. Banning abortion does not lower the amount of kids people have. It also doesn't lower, or only very slightly lowers the amount of abortions people get. The difference being that instead of getting their abortions in safe, sanitized environment, they are forced to get them through other means and many women end up dying from bleeding, infection, etc.

Lastly, in most courts, murder is considered a worse crime than rape. To those that consider killing babies murder, why would you make an exception for women who were raped?
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okthinkit

i read the last line in your post,
there are plenty of people willing to take a baby from anywhere, so you really dont know what your talking about and all those other subjects? dont really fit near abortion, poverty doesnt effect abortion, do you know what a dependencie is? do you know that you get about 70% more back per year if you have a child? not to mention, child support, wick <-- free food, shit like that, so when you say, people should get clean abortions, cry, id rather see a dumb bitch bleed out the cunt til shes dead then glance down another aborted baby picture, your obviously a guy, but more then that, Rape and abortion are also 2 very different things, and i would imagine that most of the more educated people here would tend to agree with me, but i could be wrong, those are my words on your post i didnt read\care to read\ that i was forced to read.

"would you make an exception for women who were raped"
this line, what i read, thats why i agreed with you, MY BAD, i didnt realize you were a moron.
also, your trying to throw poverty all over yourself, so obviously this would tell me that you indeed do NOT,, know what a baby is worth, nor do you care, your post, made no sense to me, at all. so i retract my previous statement, with "i agree with you aswell ism" to "urbad" im glad i only read the last sentence when you told me to read your topic, then when i was told to re-read your post i found out alot more. about how stupid people really are.

rape + abortion : rape: forced sex
:abortion: the destruction of a developing fetus

yep those are 2 different things. you did however know what this word means.

murder:1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
2. Slang. something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
3. a group or flock of crows.
–verb (used with object) 4. Law. to kill by an act constituting murder.
5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
6. to spoil or mar by bad performance, representation, pronunciation, etc.: The tenor murdered the aria.
–verb (used without object) 7. to commit murder.
—Idioms8. get away with murder, Informal. to engage in a deplorable activity without incurring harm or punishment: The new baby-sitter lets the kids get away with murder.
9. murder will out, a secret will eventually be exposed.
10. yell or scream bloody murder, a. to scream loudly in pain, fear, etc.
b. to protest loudly and angrily: If I don't get a good raise I'm going to yell bloody murder.
 
When did I say rape was the same thing as abortion? You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension. And I'm glad you think your emotional well-being is more important than the lives and well-being of millions of people.

And did you say abortion has no effect on poverty? This isn't even an arguable point, you philistine.

your post, made no sense to me, at all
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Yeah that's pretty obvious. Fortunately, that explains exactly why you are unable to make any sort of rational defense, or really anything beyond incoherent babbling.
 
ism said:
And you are still left with the challenge of explaining why it is necessarily wrong to kill a human. Hence, it cannot be the basis of your argument.

Like I said, if you can prove that abortion is a bad thing, it would stand to reason that you should base your laws on murder accordingly (to include abortion). However, most people can't seem to explain why it's wrong without making a number of faulty premises and thus are unable to reach a proper conclusion.

In summary, whether abortion is murder is a question you should be asking after you have arrived at a conclusion on whether it is desirable or not through proper logical reasoning, not before and not as a means of determining if it is desirable.
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how about this.....

5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

abortion should ultimatly be outlaw'd as that is why we are here is it not, to produce life? ive never heard of an animal getting an abortion, or a doctor? the smarter the better.
 
I didn't ask for a definition of murder. Are you able to read past the 2nd grade level?

It would be great if people had proper education and didn't need abortions. That is largely why you don't see wealthy people like doctors getting abortions. Unfortunately, most of the world does not have access to this sort of education.
 
ism said:
When did I say rape was the same thing as abortion? You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension. And I'm glad you think your emotional well-being is more important than the lives and well-being of millions of people.

And did you say abortion has no effect on poverty? This isn't even an arguable point, you philistine.
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oh really? abortion does not effect poverty, no it does not, your fucking dumb. when you have kids,
you get more money.

single parent or not, you get a hell of a lot more money from the state, regardless of area, for having children, most people with 2 dependencies get upwards of 7-8000$ back for taxes... how can you even just saying , abortion effects poverty, k dude you dont understand at all, if everyone was having kids, instead of fucking themselves up with a coat hanger? more sluts would have jobs, wrong, poverty is because of lazy fucked up people that dont want to work, or that cant find jobs, your just so bad for saying abortion, effects poverty. because your wrong, when you end a babys life.... what did that just do for poverty, your so fucking bad at everything dont ever speak to me again ism.

abortion:
a·bor·tion Audio Help /&#601;&#712;b&#596;r&#643;&#601;n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-bawr-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.
2. any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, esp. during the first six months.
3. Also called spontaneous abortion. miscarriage (def. 3).
4. an immature and nonviable fetus.
5. abortus (def. 2b).
6. any malformed or monstrous person, thing, etc.
7. Biology. the arrested development of an embryo or an organ at a more or less early stage.
8. the stopping of an illness, infection, etc., at a very early stage.
9. Informal. a. shambles; mess.
b. anything that fails to develop, progress, or mature, as a design or project.

Poverty:The state of being poor; lack of the means of providing material needs or comforts.
Deficiency in amount; scantiness: "the poverty of feeling that reduced her soul" (Scott Turow).
Unproductiveness; infertility: the poverty of the soil.
Renunciation made by a member of a religious order of the right to own property.

the more poor you are, the more money you recieve for help, dont be fucking retarded and dont try to act like your mr. world because your most definetly not, maybe where you live its okay to kill babys, but i grew up in a much different atmosphere, you need to do some homework of your own and stop talking about my comprehension of reading because if i really wanted to retain more i would use the lil rolley ball in the mid of my mouse, swallow it and never speak to me.
 
ism said:
I didn't ask for a definition of murder. Are you able to read past the 2nd grade level?

It would be great if people had proper education and didn't need abortions. That is largely why you don't see wealthy people like doctors getting abortions. Unfortunately, most of the world does not have access to this sort of education.
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did i say you asked for a definition of murder? badie?
 
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