21st of December 2012

[MiP2]

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD, THE ARGUMENTS ARE THE SAME POST AFTER POST, NO NEED FOR THIS



Hello, I've started to collect information on 21.12.2012 a few days ago.
First of all, I DO NOT believe that the whole human race will end, but YES, I do believe that 90% of us will die.
The Planet X, also known as Nibiru goes between the sun and earth. It usually causes water level to rise, and not-so-big things like that. Next time is passes will be around 21.12.2012, and this time it's believed to cause massive crisis on Earth. The reason for that, is that every time is passes, it comes closer to Earth. This time it passes so close, that it's gravity will affect Earth dramatically, there will be floods, hurricanes and earthquakes.
On year 1984 NASA revealed, that they've found Planet X ( Nibiru )
Since that they have been VERY quiet about that. At the moment many different countries are building bunkers, for example: In Norway there is a bunker for 1 Million people inside a mountain. When people ask about it, they just say "to protect people" without further explanation. If NASA have found about Nibiru coming to kill people on Earth, of course they wouldn't tell it to, that would cause world wide panic. There is a recently built seedbank in Svalbard mountains, with seeds from almost every plant on Earth. Why did they build it now? It must've cost hundreds of millions, why now?
It is possible that early passing by Nibiru and it's moon killed the dinosaurs, as one of its moons hitted Earth. It is also possible that it caused Ice Ages, it is ALSO possible that Nibiru coming closer is the reason for global warming, but I do not believe in that.
I think it is clear that NASA and the countries are hiding something. Is it Nibiru, I do not know, it's you choice if you believe in it or not.

Some videos about Nibiru:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkv4chj47XY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qkJUh3s7kc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSmHWyWx-r4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rrelv96nCQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3KlTvH8xSw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhVq8y59h9s&feature=related <- a MUST see

POST YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.

 

[MiP2]

Bump.

 

[Kadaj]

What is different about the 10% of people that will survive?

 

[TzP]

Until it happens, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions. I'm not sure whether or not I believe it yet.

 

[Angelmax]

Why would NASA discover a planet and then 'keep quiet about it'? Moreso, where is the evidence that 'On year 1984 NASA revealed' the existence of this supposed planet?

This is a load of rubbish, plain and simple.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

I think something is going to happen in 2012. It may not be exactly on that date but probably somewhere 2011-2013. I haven't set my beliefs in what will happen but all I know is that we are going to go into a new age and life will change dramatically.

 

The Planet X, also known as Nibiru goes between the sun and earth. It usually causes water level to rise, and not-so-big things like that. Next time is passes will be around 21.12.2012, and this time it's believed to cause massive crisis on Earth. The reason for that, is that every time is passes, it comes closer to Earth. This time it passes so close, that it's gravity will affect Earth dramatically, there will be floods, hurricanes and earthquakes.
On year 1984 NASA revealed, that they've found Planet X ( Nibiru )
Since that they have been VERY quiet about that.

Can you describe the Newtonian mechanics involved in its alleged orbit?

Also, being as, it's due to hit the earth in 18 months, can you tell me what part of the sky I should look in (I'm in the southern hemisphere) to see this alleged planet?

The whole thing is a falsifiable theory, so let's just check the sky and check the physics and settle it?

 

[MiP2]

What is different about the 10% of people that will survive?

Pure luck. If a meteor hits earth, it's very likely that atleast SOME people will survive, probably not 10%, or even 5, but some.

 

[MiP2]

Also, being as, it's due to hit the earth in 18 months, can you tell me what part of the sky I should look in (I'm in the southern hemisphere) to see this alleged planet?

It can be seen from South Pole, if that answers your question.

 

It can be seen from South Pole, if that answers your question.

And I'm in the southern hemisphere. So, unless it is very very close, I should be able to see it too.

Tell me the part of the sky I should look at and I'll go get a telescope.

 

[Angelmax]

It can be seen from South Pole, if that answers your question.

So then why is NASA bothering to cover it up?

 

So then why is NASA bothering to cover it up?

Why would you venture into motives of an organization of whose real management you know nothing about, when the claim is empirically falsifiable?

Your methodology for resolving the truth of an issue, as demonstrated here, is frankly sophistic.

Apply the scientific method everywhere you can. Apply the Socratic method everywhere else. And under all circumstances, analysis of motive is the last thing to be considered, because it is necessarily a blackbox; not only can you not see inside people's heads to extract their thoughts, but you have to rely on anecdotal evidence from others in order to prove motivations, and, in this case, you don't even know of anything of individuals involved, so you are doing an analysis of motive on a bunch of John Does.

 

[Angelmax]

Why would you venture into motives of an organization of whose real management you know nothing about, when the claim is empirically falsifiable?

Your methodology for resolving the truth of an issue, as demonstrated here, is frankly sophistic.

Apply the scientific method everywhere you can. Apply the Socratic method everywhere else. And under all circumstances, analysis of motive is the last thing to be considered because it is necessarily a blackbox; not only can you not see inside people's heads to extract their thoughts, but you have to rely on anecdotal evidence to prove motivations. And in this case you don't even know of anything of individuals involved, so you are doing an analysis of motive on a bunch of John Does.

For the record I was being sarcastic. This thread is a waste of space.

 

For the record I was being sarcastic. This thread is a waste of space.

You're a waste of space.

I'm happy that you're so quick to jump on the band wagon of popular prejudice.
I'm happy the you fail completely to apply the epistemic methodologies you pretend to support.

I'm sure...
You would have accepted the scientific establishment's explanation that the Sun ran on coal, in the theory's heyday.
You would have accepted the church's explanation of the stars, and the Ptolemaic geocentric model of the universe, during its heyday.
You would have been one of those same bigoted idiots who dismissed Pasteur's conception of bacteria and the cause of common illness.

I had given you far too much credit; I mistook you for someone who had a thought of his own to rub together.
But you're no thinker; You haven't the integrity or the force of character to see the world for what it is. You haven't even the integrity to apply the same methodologies you vigorously pretend to support.

 

[Angelmax]

You're a waste of space.

I'm happy that you're so quick to jump on the band wagon of popular prejudice.
I'm happy the you fail completely to apply the epistemological methodologies you pretend to support.

This thread is proposing a previously unknown planet which will undoubtedly cause global chaos. But there's no evidence, because 'NASA covered it up'. This is ridiculous.

I'm sure...
You would have accepted the scientific establishment's explanation that the Sun ran on coal, in the theory's heyday.

I would have accepted it as the best explanation to suit the fairly insufficient evidence at hand.

You would have accepted the church's explanation of the stars, and the Ptolemaic geocentric model of the universe, during it's heyday.

Would I have? But of course, you and your undeniable uniqueness would not have.

You would have been one of those same bigoted idiots who dismissed Pasteur's conception of bacteria and the cause of common illness.

Stop making these idiotic claims. All of this is completely irrelevant conjecture.

I had given you far too much credit; I mistook you for someone who had a thought of his own to rub together.
But you're no thinker; You haven't the integrity or the force of character to see the world for what it is. You haven't even the integrity to apply the same methodologies you vigorously pretend to support.

My apologies, because I don't hold a deliberately controversial opinion on every single topic, am I clearly intellectually inferior. I must try harder to not agree with popular opinion in future.

Surely you can see that the subject matter of this thread is, to put it frankly, bullshit. The OP has provided absolutely no backing for his ridiculous claims beyond several utterly ludicrous videos.

 

My apologies, because I don't hold a deliberately controversial opinion on every single topic, am I clearly intellectually inferior. I must try harder to not agree with popular opinion in future.

No. You are inferior by your own hand because you fail to apply the scientific method when it is available.

You're undoubtedly an idiot because don't think for yourself -- at all. You just swallow whatever shite comes your way. What is the purpose of even having a rational faculty if you do not use it to determine the truth of things?

And even now you erroneously believe I hold contrarian views to many things, only for the sake of being contrarian. Have you read none of my arguments, understood no aspect of rationalist philosophy?

You're just one more mass deluded idiot. If you don't know the facts of the matter, then withhold your judgment -- for it will not be based on anything.

If you know the facts of the matter, or believe you know them, then apply the scientific and socratic methods where each is applicable: These are tried and tested methods for determining the truth of a matter.

Surely you can see that the subject matter of this thread is, to put it frankly, bullshit. The OP has provided absolutely no backing for his ridiculous claims beyond several utterly ludicrous videos.

How do you still understand so little? This is the one thing you correctly attribute: burden of proof. Absolutely nothing else you have posted in this thread is correct.

You need to go to google, search: "Aristotle", and start reading.


Finally:

This thread is proposing a previously unknown planet which will undoubtedly cause global chaos. But there's no evidence, because 'NASA covered it up'. This is ridiculous.

This is a sophistic fallacy which can be used in any debate at any time. It is a variation of Argumentum ad populum (which is the fallacy: "If many believe so, it is so".)
Just because the majority of people believe whoever actually runs NASA wouldn't cover it up, does not make it the case. In fact you necessarily know nothing about the integrity of the organization since you have never studied it. And as I pointed out earlier, it is irrelevant to the matter at hand, which can be solved via the scientific method, and therefore should be solved via the scientific method.

 

[Tombstone]

If this theory is true, so must batman, robin and spiderman. every single alien sighting must also be true.

 

[Angelmax]

No. You are inferior by your own hand because you fail to apply the scientific method when it is available.

What scientific method? The evidence for this supposed planet is non existent. If there was any kind of evidence of it's existence, we could discuss it.

You're undoubtedly an idiot because don't think for yourself -- at all. You just swallow whatever shite comes your way. What is the purpose of even having a rational faculty if you do not use it to determine the truth of things?

No, I form my own opinions. However, in your eyes they are by default invalid if they are similar to those expressed by the general public.

And even now you erroneously believe I hold contrarian views to many things, only for the sake of being contrarian. Have you read none of my arguments, understood no aspect of rationalist philosophy?

You bemoan me for holding some populist opinions because I don't think, surely it is logical to assume some will hold a contrarian opinion for the same reason.

You're just one more mass deluded idiot. If you don't know the facts of the matter, then withhold your judgment -- for it will not be based on anything.

What facts of the matter? This thread is based on pure speculation, and in accordance with the scientific method I will dismiss it until some kind of evidence is at hand.

How do you still understand so little? This is the one thing you correctly attribute: burden of proof. Absolutely nothing else you have posted in this thread is correct.

How so? This thread is based on absolutely nothing of merit, and I have addressed it as such.

 

What scientific method? The evidence for this supposed planet is non existent. If there was any kind of evidence of it's existence, we could discuss it.

Now you're just being crabby.

The hypothesis states that the planet should be visible from the south pole. Therefore, as I pointed out, I too should be able to see it. So, if the proponents of the theory can tell me which direction in the night sky to look, I should see either what they claim, or evidence to the contrary.

Thus the theory is completely falsifiable and testable. If you personally don't want to test the hypothesis then simply don't comment. You have nothing to add.

You bemoan me for holding some populist opinions because I don't think, surely it is logical to assume some will hold a contrarian opinion for the same reason.

If you consider that the majority has been wrong about the majority of matters since the start of civilization, then it would make more sense to have a naturally contrarian disposition. Scientific skepticism (in the original sense of the word 'science') is however, the correct disposition. That is: given no evidence, one should hold everything to be equally possible, and every claim equally suspicious.

What facts of the matter? This thread is based on pure speculation, and in accordance with the scientific method I will dismiss it until some kind of evidence is at hand.

This is not the scientific method. Do not vulgarize it further by pretending you apply it when you clearly do not.

 

[Angelmax]

Now you're just being crabby.

The hypothesis states that the planet should be visible from the south pole. Therefore, as I pointed out, I too should be able to see it. So, if the proponents of the theory can tell me which direction in the night sky to look, I should see either what they claim, or evidence to the contrary.

Then go and look, and put this idiotic debate to bed. There's no need to use a telescope either, something this close to the earth is easily visible with the naked eye. It is also geometrically impossible for any object in space to be visible from only one point, in this case the south pole.

Thus the theory is completely falsifiable and testable. If you personally don't want to test the hypothesis then simply don't comment. You have nothing to add.

It is falsifiable, and I have no doubt that thousands upon thousands of people have searched the sky, with absolutely no tangible result. Therefore, there is no testable evidence.

If you consider that the majority has been wrong about the majority of matters since the start of civilization, then it would make more sense to have a naturally contrarian disposition. Scientific skepticism (in the original sense of the word 'science') is however, the correct disposition. That is: given no evidence, one should hold everything to be equally possible, and every claim equally suspicious.
This is not the scientific method. Do not vulgarize it further by pretending you apply it when you clearly do not.

How is it not? I am skeptical of his claims that there is a previously undiscovered planet, visible to the naked eye, which not only has been missed by four hundred years of astronomy but will also cause 'hurricanes, floods and earthquakes' through unexplained means. Not only that, this planet was discovered in the 1980s. Skepticism is necessary to a point.