Abortion

[dpunk]

so, I guess you don't care about the genocide in Darfur? or the Holocaust made no difference to you?

it's called empathy, and it's a positive human trait. if you don't have it, well, good luck in life.

Don't care.

situation:

I get into an accident, and am badly hurt. the injuries will be with you for the rest of your life, the doctors say.

you would have no problem with me killing you, if that would magically cure myself?

basically, getting a fucked-up body is a small price to pay for saving a life.

you can get plenty of stem cells from failed in-vitro fetuses.

Could you restate that so it follows the same story throughout? Its kinda messed up...

 

[mighty pker]

Don't care.

"Hath not a Jew eyes?"

that's a Shakespeare quote, it basically means that all humans are capable of feeling pain. it is very probably that YOU would care if YOU were suffering as much as they were, yet you feel the same feelings of suffering as they do. why, then, do you not care?

Could you restate that so it follows the same story throughout? Its kinda messed up...

I get into an accident, and I am badly mangled (scars, broken bones, etc.). if I kill you, I will somehow be magically healed.

that is basically the same situation that you said:

For one thing, if you're young it can seriously fuck your body up

my point was that saving a lfie is worth whatever cost to your body.

 

[dpunk]

"Hath not a Jew eyes?"

that's a Shakespeare quote, it basically means that all humans are capable of feeling pain. it is very probably that YOU would care if YOU were suffering as much as they were, yet you feel the same feelings of suffering as they do. why, then, do you not care?

I don't feel obligated to care for something just because it happens to be the same race that I am.

I get into an accident, and I am badly mangled (scars, broken bones, etc.). if I kill you, I will somehow be magically healed.

that is basically the same situation that you said:



my point was that saving a lfie is worth whatever cost to your body.

Not the same. I'm not an unborn baby. I can think and act for myself, I don't shit my pants all the time, and I don't annoy the hell out of people in a movie theatre.

 

[mighty pker]

I don't feel obligated to care for something just because it happens to be the same race that I am.

if you were in their situation, would you want others to care?

if you would, isn't there a rule called "the golden rule"? Doesn't every single major religion advocate some form of it? these people are dying by the hundreds of thousands, do you have any idea of the conditions over there? have you been there, seen their blood, tears, sweat, and dead bodies?

Not the same. I'm not an unborn baby. I can think and act for myself, I don't shit my pants all the time, and I don't annoy the hell out of people in a movie theatre.

that baby WILL BE able to think in the future. robbing them of that chance is a terrible deed.

 

[dpunk]

if you were in their situation, would you want others to care?

I don't expect sympathy from anyone, i actually detest it. When anyone comes to me and says they're so sorry this happened and all that shit I'm thinking, "Just get over it".

if you would, isn't there a rule called "the golden rule"? Doesn't every single major religion advocate some form of it? these people are dying by the hundreds of thousands, do you have any idea of the conditions over there? have you been there, seen their blood, tears, sweat, and dead bodies?

Haven't been there, and I don't plan to, because I don't care. Compassion was never one of my better qualities.

that baby WILL BE able to think in the future. robbing them of that chance is a terrible deed.

I could care less if that baby is given a chance or not, it doesn't affect me. Yes, I am a self-centered uncompassionate bastard, and my care meter is 0%

 

[mighty pker]

I don't expect sympathy from anyone, i actually detest it. When anyone comes to me and says they're so sorry this happened and all that shit I'm thinking, "Just get over it".

I am asking if you were in Darfur, and you were suffering as much as they are over there, and your family was dead, would you want a peacekeeping force to rescue your dying ass?

Haven't been there, and I don't plan to, because I don't care. Compassion was never one of my better qualities.

clearly.

I could care less if that baby is given a chance or not, it doesn't affect me. Yes, I am a self-centered uncompassionate bastard, and my care meter is 0%

not caring for others doesn't make too much sense.

if we agree that everyone has the same experiences, and can feel the same things, and if we also agree that you are averse to feeling pain, and that you would like help when in pain, then we should be able to agree that others, when in pain, would like help.

 

[dpunk]

I am asking if you were in Darfur, and you were suffering as much as they are over there, and your family was dead, would you want a peacekeeping force to rescue your dying ass?

Yes, but only out of natural instinct to survive.

clearly.



not caring for others doesn't make too much sense.

if we agree that everyone has the same experiences, and can feel the same things, and if we also agree that you are averse to feeling pain, and that you would like help when in pain, then we should be able to agree that others, when in pain, would like help.

I know others like help when they are in pain, and maybe sometimes I do too subconciously, but that doesn't make me feel obligated to help.

 

[mighty pker]

Yes, but only out of natural instinct to survive.

so, you would want others to help. I'm sure you can visualize how that feels.

being able to visualize how that feels should make you able to visualize how they feel.

 

[dpunk]

so, you would want others to help. I'm sure you can visualize how that feels.

being able to visualize how that feels should make you able to visualize how they feel.

I know how other people feel, its just that I don't care.

 

[mighty pker]

I know how other people feel, its just that I don't care.

yet you would want them to care for you.

 

[dpunk]

yet you would want them to care for you.

Somewhat. There was a time when I did care about things like that, but one day I guess I just said fuck it and moved on...

 

[sins]

there can't be a single argument or way to justify the "rightness" or "wrongness" of a topic like this, however u may go about defining what is right or wrong. it depends on what standpoint u look about it at. In my opinion, if you look, for example, at people who are being kept alive in hospitals on life support, you will see that the doctors refer to them as, for lack of a better word, dead. or not alive. this is because they are not providing for themselves in order to survive on their own. essentially, they need an outside source in order to keep them alive and keep their vital bodily functions working. in this case the outside source is in fact the life support machine itself. if you compare it to a zygote or the undeveloped child in a woman, the situation is very similar. the zygote or undeveloped child has no way of supporting for itself and cannot live without an umbilical cord to feed it. in this sense you can argue that just like the life support scenario argued that a living being is something that can survive on it's own, you can say that the zygote or undeveloped baby is in fact not a living creature or being, but it does in fact have potential for being alive. so if you look at it on the standpoint where you say it indeed has the potential to be alive, you can say abortion is wrong and does potentially end life. but if you look at it as not being alive as pertaining to the life support scenario, you could say abortion is not morally "wrong".

 

[+Tyler]

counterp9999
I think it's wrong!!! Why do babies have to die because of some whore or skank that likes to bang people for money!? I don't care about rape victims. Why don't they just have the baby and put it in an orphanage!? Also stem-cell research is gay. Why kill a baby to save your ass?

Stem cell research could save millions not just one person.

counterp9999
I've never heard of a teen getting aborted and going to an orphanage... Have you? I didn't think so! Exactly your ideas are full of crap.

I've never herd of a baby being aborted and going to a orphanage, that would be sick. All he said was that no one really wants to live in an orphanage, you can go to an orphanage for many reasons....I doubt anyone wants to go into one.

mighty pker
"Hath not a Jew eyes?"

that's a Shakespeare quote, it basically means that all humans are capable of feeling pain. it is very probably that YOU would care if YOU were suffering as much as they were, yet you feel the same feelings of suffering as they do. why, then, do you not care?

How do they feel pain, their not aware of their existence, so "killing" them wouldn't matter would it. If I was totally unaware of my existence and no one wanted me, then killing me wouldn't matter, would it?

 

[magi]

maybe yoy would like to accutally discuss the desired topic instead of saying something that is not needed

maybe u shouldnt be a hardass wannabe
until u get some status ure official shunned by me-- dont act all proper if ure not ready to do it 24/7 ; even when ure pissed off




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anyway, i think abortion shouldn't be allowed in the U.S.. China has more honor students then we have students. last i heard, we only had like 300million people. china has like 3-4 times more then us. this is cuz every1s getting bloody abortions!!!!!

 

[SPARTAN]

I believe every woman should have the right to a free abortion. Thats right. FREE.

For one. Its so wrong if a girl is raped and has to KEEP that baby. Who the hell would want to have some rapists baby. Thats so messed up. For one. She would be so mentally messed up for the rest of her life she would most likely kill herself anyways. The trauma from being raped alone could send someone to the looney farm, let alone the idea of having a baby from the sick man who raped you. Wow thats so stupid. If I got raped and they made me keep the baby I would unwind a coat hanger and shove it so far up my you know what, the baby would die anyways. But most girls end up dieing anyways from that.

2) So what she made a mistake. Call it an unborn child, call it a fetus. I dont care. It cant think. Shit I cant even remember stuff from before I was 13 years old. I know taking a life is wrong. Very wrong. But its a fetus. not a baby.
I believe at a certain point. Like after 2-3 months it should be illegal. But not if the baby is just forming. Let her get rid of it. America (I dont know where your from, but im in America.) needs more wealthy people to help run it. Not impoverished families struggling for food stamps because the government screwed them over by making abortions illegal.

You cant blame two people for doing somthing that nature allowed us to do. If god didnt want us to have babies (not saying i believe in god. But many people do, so for the sake of this argument I will include him in my debate)
He wouldnt have given us the ability to make babies.

If god didnt want sex to be fun he wouldnt have created orgasms.

Sex is fun, we like to do it. It is for that reason that many young people get pregnant. God made sex fun. He made us enjoy it. If he didnt, people would be more responsible and think about their decisions before they had sex and started a family. If its an accidental child thats one thing. I still think you should be able to choose, after all. Its YOUR body. What gives other people the right to decide what happens to your body. If anyone tried to tell me I could or could not do somthing with my body. I would tell them to fuck themselves. Its MY body. I will do what i want with it.

Last point. If a girl is adamant enough about not wanting the baby. She might try other methods of getting rid of it.
"Push me down the stairs!" You get the point.

She could end up accidentally killing herself because she doesnt want the baby. All because she made a stupid decision or was RAPED???? Whatever.
Why not safe an extra life and just let her abort the baby.

Arguments over bodily decisions flat out piss me of. Im sorry.

 

[asdft13]

ja, i support it... but only if the mother, and doctors that did the abortion would be charged for murder...

... thats my view...

 

[Wagonsho]

Abortion should just be banned it has no use except for people that just care about looks, like when they get fat cause they're pregnant. baby's are one of the worlds most amazing things why would you want to kill something like that?

 

[Robin]

It's the womans choice. The baby does not feel, so therefore it is not murder, its like you smashing a fertilized egg, maybe in 2 months, it will be a chick but at that moment it doesn't make a difference to the egg what you do, because it is not alive. You guys also have to think about over-population.

 

I believe abortion is wrong. You could try debate with me but you won't change my mind. The pro-choice people say that women have every right it's their body. Well, they should take care of their body in the way of not getting pregnant. Use protection, if that doesn't work try adoption I know my family has looked into adoption multiple times. Killing an innocent baby is wrong to me. Those that say what about rape victims? Do some research...the chances of a rape victim getting pregnant is less than 10%. That is because of all the stress, physical, and emotional harm the women goes through in the rape.

Dpunk, I honestly get sick as how a person could not care about the troubles people have around them. Saying you don't care as long as it doesn't affect you? Aka the holocaust. So you don't care about all those that died in 9/11? I feel for people as you.

 

[SPARTAN]

Its not an "innocent baby"

Its a fetus. A form thats not even alive yet. Its a parasite that leeches of the mother. It should be her choice to get rid of it or not. Not some fat guys making laws.

Its not sick. And different people have different circumstances. If its a fetus. It doesnt know it even exists.