Are you racist?

I hate to break this to you but data isn't racist. It's actualy quite funny to read when people like yourself go full retard and attempt to convince others that using data is racist. "You can't use numbers, because numbers are racist :'( "!

There are clear physical differences between the races (or you going to deny this aswell?). We as humans adapt to the enviroment around us and evolve to have the highest chance of survival. If going by the definition of racism that you gave then we can't deny it. Yes racism is a real thing and it's caused by evolution. In some situations a specific race do have a small edge over other races, may it be problem solving, running (scream racism), growing rice (Kappa) or what ever you think would fit as an example.

Did I say data is racist, or imply so in any way? It's how you present it that gives off racial connotations.

Xier0 flaunted the idea that all races are not the same (I agree), then referenced a graphic that correlates intelligence specific to each race suggesting inferiority. The thing is, no numbers are shown, it was recorded in 2003, and it doesn't appear to have been done on a large scale worthy of having strong convictions about a particular group.

Let's look up the definition of racism one more time because why not.

Racism - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Hmmm....

SAT requires prep, the best prep requires tutotrs, the best tutors require money.

It's correlation, not causation.

 

I think anyone of privilege has to unlearn certain racist behaviour or thoughts. It's pretty common for people to unconciously make assumptions or have a "them and us" mentality with regards to races, religions, even sports teams and so on.

 

[Xier0]

Did I say data is racist, or imply so in any way? It's how you present it that gives off racial connotations.

All you have done is make excuses for how all the data posted is not sufficient because of the time period, because of small concessions like a handful of exonerated criminals, and income being a factor of crime & SAT scores.

SAT requires prep, the best prep requires tutors, the best tutors require money.

All of this has already been addressed and COMPLETELY debunked because black test scores MUCH lower, black violent crime rates are MUCH higher, even when accounting for income and these outliers.

The black-white-asian test scores do not apply to just the SAT, which you seem to rip on terribly, but also to IQ.

Section 3: Mean Race–IQ Differences: A Global Perspective
The IQ debate became worldwide in scope when it was shown that East
Asians scored higher on IQ tests than did Whites, both within the United States
and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro American
culture (Lynn, 1977, 1978, 1982; P. E. Vernon, 1979, 1982). Around the world,
the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; that for Whites, about 100; and
that for Blacks, about 85 in the United States and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa. Most
of the early research was conducted in the United States, but some was also
performed in Canada and the Caribbean (Eysenck, 1971, 1984; Jensen, 1969,
1973; Osborne & McGurk, 1982; Shuey, 1958, 1966; cf. Flynn, 1980; Kamin,
1974; Lewontin, Rose, & Kamin, 1984). In the United States, 15% to 20% of the
Black IQ distribution exceeds the White median IQ, so many Blacks obtain scores
above the White average. This same order of mean group differences is also found
on “culture-fair” tests and on reaction time tasks. Hundreds of studies on millions
of people have confirmed the three

Source

I don't know why people are so quick to damn the science of genetics for no reason, and rely solely on emotion. Stop moving the goalposts.

 

Once again you're evading my points, and now posts. Don't skip over my post in the last page. I'd like to hear your rebuttal, if you have one.

All you have done is make excuses for how all the data posted is not sufficient because of the time period, because of small concessions like a handful of exonerated criminals, and income being a factor of crime & SAT scores.

The data isn't sufficient to have the convictions you're having about a particular race. Sigh.. America is a country, by which holds only 13% of blacks. The SAT is a standardized test widely used for college admissions in the United States. Do you know what this means? It's specific to the US.

The graphic doesn't show the number of test takers. This is very important to note. Why? Because averages are relevant specific to the amount of test takers. If a small group of participants take a test, don't do too well, but the amount of participants is not shown, it undermines the legitimacy. The same applies to a large majority.

Source

Socioeconomic status forms a huge part of this equation. Children raised in poverty rarely choose to behave differently, but they are faced daily with overwhelming challenges that affluent children never have to confront, and their brains have adapted to suboptimal conditions in ways that undermine good school performance. Let's revisit the most significant risk factors affecting children raised in poverty, which I discussed in Chapter 1 (the word EACH is a handy mnemonic):

Emotional and Social Challenges.
Acute and Chronic Stressors.
Cognitive Lags.
Health and Safety Issues.

Combined, these factors present an extraordinary challenge to academic and social success. This reality does not mean that success in school or life is impossible. On the contrary, a better understanding of these challenges points to actions educators can take to help their less-advantaged students succeed.

Source

The data reveal that more than 40 percent of schools that receive federal Title I money to serve disadvantaged students spent less state and local money on teachers and other personnel than schools that don't receive Title I money at the same grade level in the same district.

"Educators across the country understand that low-income students need extra support and resources to succeed, but in far too many places policies for assigning teachers and allocating resources are perpetuating the problem rather than solving it," said U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said. "The good news in this report is that it is feasible for districts to address this problem and it will have a significant impact on educational opportunities for our nation's poorest children."

Source

Colleges still use SAT scores to determine college enrollment.

Did You Know Black Women Lead ALL Groups in College Enrollment?

COUGH COUGH

I don't know why people are so quick to damn the science of genetics for no reason, and rely solely on emotion. Stop moving the goalposts.

If you believe in science, then you probably believe in poverty affecting mental health. Let's keep this in mind going forward.

In Sub-Saharan Africa, more than 218 million people live in extreme poverty. Among them are rural poor people in Eastern and Southern Africa, an area that has one of the world's highest concentrations of poor people.

Source

Heredity (genetics): Many mental illnesses run in families, suggesting they may be passed on from parents to children through genes. Genes contain instructions for the function of each cell in the body and are responsible for how we look, act, think, etc.

Source

So let's break this down.

Poverty affects mental health, your mental illnesses that derive from poor mental health are hereditary. THIS IS CORRELATION, NOT CAUSATION.

You're once again going on about inferiority, and suggest that the cause of that is solely determined on race without any underlining factors (I've yet to see you demonstrate this).

 

[Xier0]

Once again you're evading my points, and now posts. Don't skip over my post in the last page. I'd like to hear your rebuttal, if you have one.

I was going to do you a favor and skip that list of fallacies you posted, but I'll go back.

The data isn't sufficient to have the convictions you're having about a particular race. Sigh.. America is a country, by which holds only 13% of blacks. The SAT is a standardized test widely used for college admissions in the United States. Do you know what this means? It's specific to the US.

Outright incorrect:

Section 3: Mean Race–IQ Differences: A Global Perspective
The IQ debate became worldwide in scope when it was shown that East
Asians scored higher on IQ tests than did Whites, both within the United States
and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro American
culture (Lynn, 1977, 1978, 1982; P. E. Vernon, 1979, 1982). Around the world,
the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; that for Whites, about 100; and
that for Blacks, about 85 in the United States and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa. Most
of the early research was conducted in the United States, but some was also
performed in Canada and the Caribbean (Eysenck, 1971, 1984; Jensen, 1969,
1973; Osborne & McGurk, 1982; Shuey, 1958, 1966; cf. Flynn, 1980; Kamin,
1974; Lewontin, Rose, & Kamin, 1984). In the United States, 15% to 20% of the
Black IQ distribution exceeds the White median IQ, so many Blacks obtain scores
above the White average. This same order of mean group differences is also found
on “culture-fair” tests and on reaction time tasks. Hundreds of studies on millions
of people have confirmed the three

The graphic doesn't show the number of test takers. This is very important to note. Why? Because averages are relevant specific to the amount of test takers. If a small group of participants take a test, don't do too well, but the amount of participants is not shown, it undermines the legitimacy. The same applies to a large majority.

But this didn't happen.

Source

Source

Source

Source

So let's break this down.

Poverty affects mental health, your mental illnesses that derive from poor mental health are hereditary. THIS IS CORRELATION, NOT CAUSATION.

Blacks with the same income lag behind whites with the same income @ crime rates and IQ as well as other test scores. INCOME HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, THE ONLY VARIABLE IS RACE -- THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT

Did You Know Black Women Lead ALL Groups in College Enrollment?

Not an argument, once again. How embarrassing for you to post it a second time.

You're once again going on about inferiority, and suggest that the cause of that is solely determined on race without any underlining factors (I've yet to see you demonstrate this).

Dead wrong, AGAIN. I've never made any claims for inferiority or superiority of any race. PERIOD.

 

Reading your posts legitimately make me cringe. You're repeating yourself, points I've already refuted, ones you choose not to retort to, and fail to elaborately explain your position.

But this didn't happen.

What didn't happen? You do not explain anything here. What you're quoting dates back to 2005. This is 2015, and black african american women are leading in college enrollment. Same with the 2003 graphic that lacks number in participation. Can you give a more recent analysis on the position you're trying to defend, which is ignorance?

Blacks with the same income still lag behind whites with the same income crime rates and IQ as well as other test scores. INCOME HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, THE ONLY VARIABLE IS RACE -- THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT

Family income doesn't mean the education you're receiving is not subpar. I've went to a poor school, and my family income was near 100,000. DO YOU NOT GET THIS, OR ARE YOU TOO CLOSE MINDED TO UNDERSTAND?

Not an argument, once again. How embarrassing for you to post it a second time.

2015-2003 = 12 Years

I'm stating the graphic shown is a poor misrepresentation, and proof of that, is that article.

Dead wrong, AGAIN. I've never made any claims for inferiority or superiority of any race. PERIOD.

You're making my head hurt, legit.

Definition of inferior : a person lower than another in rank, status, or ability.

Re-read what you're posting.

 

[Xier0]

You mean corruption? Stop being naive. How many articles should I link you that conflicts with this? Or are you too close minded to acknowledge it's whereabouts?

Non-sequiter fallacy. Has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You told me you weren't implying THAT. Now you're saying you aren't implying anything? Make up your mind. Attacking you? Really? Stop deflecting logical reasoning, and misinterpreting it as "ad hominems". That has to be a joke.

If you aren't racist, that's cool, I don't really care, but what you're saying conflicts with that idea.

I'm not racist
>You are a racist!
I'm not racist, do you have proof to back up your claims that I am racist?
>You are a racist!

This is ad hom

Definition of imply: strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated)

Why must you confuse implications for "putting words in your mouth". The two don't logically coincide with each other. IT'S WHAT YOU HAVEN'T SAID VERBATIM, BUT STRONGLY SUGGEST. Jeez

If I told you the majority of sickle cell patients were black, that does not imply any other race is superior. If I told you the majority of professional basketball players were black, that does not imply any other race is inferior.

I haven't made any claims of the sort, and as Karlrais aptly mentioned, data cannot be 'racist'. Pathetic attempt at a strawman, really.

Defintion of racism - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races

What were you doing just a while ago? Ohwait /facedesk

Ad hom. I'm not a racist. But, I'll go ahead and work out that definition for you.

Defintion of racism - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races

However, I believe that members of each race possess characteristics or abilities, on average that are NOT specific (here: exclusive) especially as to distinguish it as inferior or superior

Can you stop with the prevaricating excuses already? I'm bringing about your non conspicuous undertones.

You still don't get it? You inserted an argument not relevant to his own to deflect what he was saying. I know he did not provide proof of said happenings, but here it is since you're being so brazen about the issue.

Source is anecdotal.

I still don't understand where you're getting at however. You're asking for proof of black women being raped during times of slavery, and black people in general being assaulted by white men at a similar juncture? Uh... :huh:

I never claimed that black women were not raped during times of slavery. You are attacking a strawman.

Clickbait articles? You've got to be kidding me. Let's pull some telling information from said "clickbait article"

Much clickbait indeed. But instead of displaying your ignorance, how about reading the articles I give. I can assure you, they aren't clickbait.

When I read the article the first time, the part you quoted was literally what I was going to pull in support of MY argument, how you can even think that that supports you is beyond me...

Whites of the same income as blacks score higher and commit less crimes. Income is not a variable, it is a control.

 

[Xier0]

Reading your posts legitimately make me cringe. You're repeating yourself, points I've already refuted, ones you choose not to retort to, and fail to elaborately explain your position.

Your posts are a pathetic string of fallacies. I've read your posts before, I know you can debate better than this.

Family income doesn't mean the education you're receiving is not subpar. I've went to a poor school, and my family income was near 100,000. DO YOU NOT GET THIS, OR ARE YOU TOO CLOSE MINDED TO UNDERSTAND?

Achievement gap is already present before schooling, and schooling is not a significant factor with IQ, which blacks score 15 points lower on, on average, than whites. Education is NOT A FACTOR. Income is NOT A FACTOR. This is not LOCAL or CULTURAL, this is WORLDWIDE.

 

FML I just xlogged out of like a fucking 2 page word reply. I guess that's someone telling me to give up. You win Xier0. I'm tired of regurgitating my previous replies anyways.

 

[Morally Just]

Im fine with black people. I hate niggers.

 

[Saussau]

Don't really care about white/black whatever, aslong as you are a good human.

But i suppose a lot of pepole do, since there was a Tv show were a guy needed help (was dressed as a drug addict) and no one came up to him . Then he got a makeover and almost everyone did. But it's easy to say you would help him when you were not in the situation of course.

 

I hate to break this to you but data isn't racist. It's actualy quite funny to read when people like yourself go full retard and attempt to convince others that using data is racist. "You can't use numbers, because numbers are racist :'( "!

There are clear physical differences between the races (or you going to deny this aswell?). We as humans adapt to the enviroment around us and evolve to have the highest chance of survival. If going by the definition of racism that you gave then we can't deny it. Yes racism is a real thing and it's caused by evolution. In some situations a specific race do have a small edge over other races, may it be problem solving, running (scream racism), growing rice (Kappa) or what ever you think would fit as an example.

Love the post and couldnt agree more

Perfect example for all races: When you decide to purchase a home and start a family, what area's do you look for? Middle class usually with in youre budget im guessing? Somewhere that has the lowest crime rate you can afford? Going to take a wild guess and assume education and school ratings play a crucial role. So how many of these general area's are considered black neighborhoods?

 

I'm not racist, no. Because of recent social justice movements however, I've actually began to see race. If a black person comes to work for instance, in my head I think "this person is black" instead of just "this is a person". It's not something that can be helped - for me, the social justice movement is doing the opposite of progression in terms of counteracting segregation (of course, the attention racial issues are receiving today is very very important). You've got things like all black schools these days, all black clubs at universities...I understand the concept of a safe space, but at the end of the day you're promoting segregation and differentiation between races. Because of that I have begun to see colour when I should not be seeing colour. Society has folded onto itself and different races have begun segregating themselves into these groups when we should all be working together toward a better world.

 

People are afraid of difference / change, hence racism, prejudice against subcultures etc.

 

[AR15]

I don't judge people on their looks/beliefs so to answer your question, I am not racist.

 

[Big_Chief]

im not racist, i have 4 black tires and a color tv haha i love that meme, but honestly no im not

 

[Bunny Hops]

I was born in Compton so yea, I was (ironically) one of the few black sheep being white in a predominantly black neighborhood. Obviously as I got older I came to notice some stereotypes, I still flinch if someone's who's colored that's a stranger moves too quickly towards me at night.

With that said friendships/relationships are irrespective of race (3 of my last 5 boyfriends were black)

I have nothing against black people, but i hate niggers

theres a difference tbh

NGL though. This.

 

[DeadlineLeftMeDead]

I'm not racist, I love Chinese food

 

[C I R O C]

Don't understand the reasoning behind racism. Completely slips my mind how someone can dislike someone over something as petty as skincolor, race, etc.

 

[Elysia]

Nawhhh, skin color doesn't matter mane!