Pardons

[Hailey]

Why are there pardons as it is? I'm confused to why it was started. If someone did something worth getting banned for why bring them back?

 

[funbox]

You know you can be pardoned for things other then scamming. But for know let's just talk about a scammer trying to get pardoned. Say I'm an immature 11-13 year old, and I scam like $50. Your saying a few years later when I've matured, I can't pay the user back as I've realized that scamming is bad?

I'm only referring to scamming.

Nah, fuck the age excuse.
Yes you should be perm banned if you scammed before.

simple as that.

 

We need to add a fee to pardon (One time payment) if you previously scammed so these fuckers don't break even.

This guy has the right idea. Scale the fee with the amount scammed. 10-20% sounds good?

 

[Hailey]

Could someone or is someone willing to explain why the Pardon system was implemented to begin with?

 

[Superfluous]

Could someone or is someone willing to explain why the Pardon system was implemented to begin with?

Read this if you're still unclear http://www.sythe.org/sythe-org-news/1476742-pardon-system-changes.html

 

[BrianTirae]

How many users have scammed after being pardoned?

 

[Xier0]

How many users have scammed after being pardoned?

There's a thread in the spam forum that has a list of a few more high profile people who were banned again after being pardoned.

 

Perhaps people should have to pay a non-refundable $5 to post a pardon?

 

[Hailey]

Is 5.00 enough to stop someone from scamming again do you think? Assuming they're going to.

 

[Aesiir]

If someone wants to pardon, make them donate $25 to be SVU.
There, done.

EDIT: Make them 2 Factor verify their Sythe. Make them use phone authentication for their Skype. If you scam, you should be forced to make your account secure so you can't pull out a bogus "I got hacked" scam and then you can also have their personal information on hand.

EDIT #2: Honestly, I feel like anyone that knows about how easy 2FA is and doesn't do it, is just keeping their window open for a potential scam down the line..

Why is my post being ignored lol i feel like this is a very good fix -__-

 

[Hailey]

I didn't even notice it to be honest with you. I apologize. I feel like maybe it would be something good to implement. Having everyone's information who was once a scammer actually makes a lot of sense.

 

[Superfluous]

Perhaps people should have to pay a non-refundable $5 to post a pardon?

I think a base of $5 is reasonable, but for more "expensive" ban reasons, I'd like to see it be higher. Really though, any barrier to re-entry is a good thing that I'm all for... my only hesitation is short-term bans that are more like trade disputes than scamming bans. If you're just disputing with mods/other parties whether to refund someone an account vs refunding them cash, for example, I don't think the $5 fee is necessary. Maybe have mods set a price; $5 is base, $5 + $x% if the scam is over $y, unless otherwise stated.

Is 5.00 enough to stop someone from scamming again do you think? Assuming they're going to.

Nah, don't think so. See above.

I didn't even notice it to be honest with you. I apologize. I feel like maybe it would be something good to implement. Having everyone's information who was once a scammer actually makes a lot of sense.

And yeah, googling "whatYouWantToKnow sythe" does wonders. I was briefly working on compiling every scam report in an easily-searchable list, but I kind of gave up on that. Can finish it if there's actually interest though...

 

[Hailey]

So maybe we should move that part of it to a suggestion now? The SVU and 25.00 donor part? See if we can get it implemented.

 

[Fr4nchise]

$5 is base, $5 + $x% if the scam is over $y, unless otherwise stated.

I actually really like the $5 base + a certain percentage of how much was scammed with the percentage going down the bigger the scam.

Example: A user scams $100, he is then required to pay $5 + 10% of the 100 so he would have to pay $15.

Another user scams 1000, so he would have to pay $5 + 5% of the 1000
so he would have to pay $55 in total.

This would be a great "incentive" for people NOT to scam again after being pardoned.

 

[Superfluous]

So maybe we should move that part of it to a suggestion now? The SVU and 25.00 donor part? See if we can get it implemented.

SVU means jack shit, no one's gonna donate $25 after scamming like 10m. $5 is more reasonable imo. Also probably best to have most people agree on one thing before suggesting it; else it'll just be a continuation of this discussion over there .

And @ Fran: Yeah, sounds good to me. As an aside, subsequent pardons should be more expensive (5% > 10% or something). If someone would like to poke holes in it though, please do.

 

[Hailey]

SVU means jack shit, no one's gonna donate $25 after scamming like 10m. $5 is more reasonable imo. Also probably best to have most people agree on one thing before suggesting it; else it'll just be a continuation of this discussion over there .

And @ Fran: Yeah, sounds good to me. As an aside, subsequent pardons should be more expensive (5% > 10% or something). If someone would like to poke holes in it though, please do.

I'm not saying it means anything. I'm simply saying that you would still have personal information of a once scammer.

 

[Donald Duck]

Perhaps people should have to pay a non-refundable $5 to post a pardon?

Meh. To many holes in the idea. Example:

Person 1 scams 2m rs3 gold ($0.70)

Person 2 scams 6b rs3 gold ($2,600 ish)

So they both have to pay $5 to pardon? Would work better as a percentage.

 

[Hailey]

So 20% of what you scammed?

 

[Superfluous]

I'm not saying it means anything. I'm simply saying that you would still have personal information of a once scammer.

You can enter anything for SVU. Doesn't have to be real, though it should be...

 

[Fr4nchise]

So 20% of what you scammed?

I don't think this would work. I think it should be based on what you scammed like I had said before. Someone scams 1000, so they have to pay 200? That seems a little extravagant if you ask me. That's just my opinion on the matter though.