Donations

[Delta Squad]

Heatz, I was responding to a statement made therefore it's not spam. Also, Grave charges .25 your telling me he isn't profiting off that? how about official middle man they have fee's right? Exactly so why don't you stop trying to come at me every chance you get and make yourself look stupid. OMM is a service and they charge fee's no reasons bond holders can't do the same. Next time try to come up with a valid argument instead of just running your mouth.

that's going off the statement every omm charges a fee which they don't.

only the greedy ones do.

now i'm all for being reimbursed for time spent doing a service, but if a service is just logging on a game for 2 mins, and sending a pm, then charging a huge mark up that accounts for about 3040% of the orginal budget, then yea that is bullshit.

But alas that is why there is more then one, and it's not a monopoly.

People are just to damn lazy to put in minium effort these days. and god forbid you have to wait a few days, the rank is for life, whats a few hours going to cost you?

 

[Elena]

I was not saying they are the same, but they both provide services and you don't see me on your case about the prices you charged but look your not even a bond holder anymore wonder why that is hmm could make about 10 guesses. Everyone profit's for what they do I have had people donate through me no issues at my prices, So stop trying to twist words around to make yourself look intelligent.

 

[Heeatz]

I was not saying they are the same, but they both provide services and you don't see me on your case about the prices you charged but look your not even a bond holder anymore wonder why that is hmm could make about 10 guesses. Everyone profit's for what they do I have had people donate through me no issues at my prices, So stop trying to twist words around to make yourself look intelligent.

I'm sorry what? LMAO. What does me not being a donation bond holder have to do with this discussion? At all? Also im not twisting your words either. Please stay on topic instead of complete spamming.

 

[Elena]

Is that all you read out of all of it? The point is what I charge and what other bond holders charge are their business yet you seem to need to stick your noise into it when it doesn't belong there. I have had plenty of people donate through me fine no one complains. Just because one person has an issue everyone jumps on the wagon with oh yeah he said this and she said that. Give me a break, Do you want to know something, I had 2 people tell me that they have been trying for a month to donate via RSGP so if I didn't do it it wouldn't have been done. So why don't you stop complaining and look at the money the site got because of the fact I processed it and stop complaining about my prices.

 

[ilovegold69]

I never said profiting was an issue. But charging such extortionate prices such as yours is.

Also, middleman actually protect a trade; you can't exactly get scammed out of a donation so stop acting like a bond holder is an OMM. Next time try actually countering the argument instead of coming up with a bullshit excuse to get some bonus post count.

If I am not mistaken the service being given here is trading other forms of currency into the currency accepted by the donation center. I don't see how it would be unjustifiable to charge a fee for this.

that's going off the statement every omm charges a fee which they don't.

only the greedy ones do.

I don't get why you tried to make the argument that you would have to be greedy to charge a fee for a service.

 

[Delta Squad]

I don't get why you tried to make the argument that you would have to be greedy to charge a fee for a service.

dats some selective reading mate, go read the rest that i wrote about markup fees etc, then come back to me.

 

[Ill Slay Her]

CAN ALL OF YOU STOP?

This thread IS NOT and WAS NOT and WILL NOT be about ELENA and/or her abilities as a bond holder!

STOP DISCUSSING THAT HERE.

Also to the kid acting like he's some major tough guy, relax and watch your language, swearing doesn't make you tough child. Grow up before you try to teach others what to do.

@Heeatz I'll take it that you support my idea then?

 

[ilovegold69]

dats some selective reading mate, go read the rest that i wrote about markup fees etc, then come back to me.

well actually now that you mention it the second half seems to kind of repeat what this guy said

...One of the more beneficial aspects of capitalism is that if a business isn't well thought out or its prices can easily be undercut it will not be successful. Only then should anybody think about reducing their prices...

Please don't accuse me of taking your statement out of context when you don't "selectively read" what someone has already posted.

But regardless of whatever you said after saying OMMs who charge for their services are greedy, you still did call OMMs who charge for their services... Greedy.

 

[Delta Squad]

well actually now that you mention it the second half seems to kind of repeat what this guy said



Please don't accuse me of taking your statement out of context when you don't "selectively read" what someone has already posted.

But regardless of whatever you said after saying OMMs who charge for their services are greedy, you still did call OMMs who charge for their services... Greedy.

point being?

i then roll out an explanation of why its fine, but i guess you decided to ignore that part or don't quite understand the whole monopoly tid bit etc etc.

and as for ill slay pretty sure i can say what ever words i want i'm protected by a piece of paper, regardless of were i am.

 

[ilovegold69]

point being?

i then roll out an explanation of why its fine, but i guess you decided to ignore that part or don't quite understand the whole monopoly tid bit etc etc.

You aren't getting the fundamental idea of what I am saying. You claimed that OMMs who charge are greedy, but they are allowed to be greedy because they do not have a monopoly on the market, however, I am simply stating that calling an OMM greedy just because they would like to profit off of their service isn't fair.

 

[Delta Squad]

You aren't getting the fundamental idea of what I am saying. You claimed that OMMs who charge are greedy, but they are allowed to be greedy because they do not have a monopoly on the market, however, I am simply stating that calling an OMM greedy just because they would like to profit off of their service isn't fair.

life isn't fair, once you learn that your life with be alot easier.

trying to make a counter-arguement based off ones veiws of fairness doesn't put up much of a fight, regardless of your ideals, there are plenty of omms who do a free service, but the vast majority of the people aiming for omm and the ones who do get it, only do it for greed, and not for the role omm was intended for, and that is for safer trading.edited part < which is what bond holders are meant for, faster, and safer donation process>



But back on topic, donate through mail, or rsgp, idk if firez still does it or not but thats who i went through.

 

[ilovegold69]

life isn't fair, once you learn that your life with be alot easier.

trying to make a counter-arguement based off ones veiws of fairness doesn't put up much of a fight, regardless of your ideals, there are plenty of omms who do a free service, but the vast majority of the people aiming for omm and the ones who do get it, only do it for greed, and not for the role omm was intended for, and that is for safer trading.edited part < which is what bond holders are meant for, faster, and safer donation process>



But back on topic, donate through mail, or rsgp, idk if firez still does it or not but thats who i went through.

Sure fairness is subjective. I get that. But you yourself aren't making an objective statement by saying OMMs who charge fees are greedy. So by your logic everyone is just greedy and as soon as you accept that life will be a lot easier.

Other than that I'm not sure you are interpreting the meaning of an OMM. As far as I am aware an OMM is just a sythe user who has been deemed trustworthy enough to hold large sums of money (or whatever currency it may be). I don't see a rule that says they are here to only benefit the community selflessly.

And I also don't believe you have the purpose of bond holders down correctly. You make it sound much more philanthropic than intended.

Either way I don't think either of us is here to interpret the true intention of these institutions.

 

[Delta Squad]

Sure fairness is subjective. I get that. But you yourself aren't making an objective statement by saying OMMs who charge fees are greedy. So by your logic everyone is just greedy and as soon as you accept that life will be a lot easier.

Other than that I'm not sure you are interpreting the meaning of an OMM. As far as I am aware an OMM is just a sythe user who has been deemed trustworthy enough to hold large sums of money (or whatever currency it may be). I don't see a rule that says they are here to only benefit the community selflessly.

And I also don't believe you have the purpose of bond holders down correctly. You make it sound much more philanthropic than intended.

Either way I don't think either of us is here to interpret the true intention of these institutions.

i'm pretty sure OMM was designed so people who are new etc, could find a safe way to trade, you state you don't see the rule that says they are here to benefit the site without earnings, no there is no rule, but there is a common knowledge that you shouldn't be gouging the hell out of people just because you hold a rank either.

 

[ilovegold69]

i'm pretty sure OMM was designed so people who are new etc, could find a safe way to trade, you state you don't see the rule that says they are here to benefit the site without earnings, no there is no rule, but there is a common knowledge that you shouldn't be gouging the hell out of people just because you hold a rank either.

You should take time out of your day to just sit and watch two people trade items just because you were endowed by the almighty official middleman title. Still don't see where this common knowledge is coming from but I don't buy it for a second that their job was intended to be strictly charitable. As soon as an admin tells me otherwise I will believe it but just because you think they are here to serve you because they have a pretty picture under their name, doesn't mean you are somehow more enlightened than I am.

And I think it is hyperbole to say that they are "gouging the hell" out of anyone.

N4N0 charges 10% for under 100$
corey charges 10% flat and discount for 1b+
frenzy charges 5M flat fee trades up to 299M and 5% fee on trades above 300M+

I could go down the list.

http://www.sythe.org/middleman-forums/1302647-official-middleman-list.html

Look at all the greedy people!

edit: I'm off for the night. I'll check this tomorrow.
edit2: I certainly hope one of these "greedy OMMs" see this thread. Loled a little when I found the list.

 

[Delta Squad]

You should take time out of your day to just sit and watch two people trade items just because you were endowed by the almighty official middleman title. Still don't see where this common knowledge is coming from but I don't buy it for a second that their job was intended to be strictly charitable. As soon as an admin tells me otherwise I will believe it but just because you think they are here to serve you because they have a pretty picture under their name, doesn't mean you are somehow more enlightened than I am.

And I think it is hyperbole to say that they are "gouging the hell" out of anyone.

N4N0 charges 10% for under 100$
corey charges 10% flat and discount for 1b+
frenzy charges 5M flat fee trades up to 299M and 5% fee on trades above 300M+

I could go down the list.

http://www.sythe.org/middleman-forums/1302647-official-middleman-list.html

Look at all the greedy people!

edit: I'm off for the night. I'll check this tomorrow.

i've used some of the omms you listed for free, hell i've even middlemaned a couple thousand for free myself.

OMM wasn't created to give the trusted users deemed worthy, extra cash, it was created to give those who wanted to apply, the status that they are trusted, and when in doubt use them to avoid getting scammed, which is what i'm assuming bond holders is for, to help making the donation process faster, safer, and easier, not just another form to make money. Yes it does have those advantages if you wish to use them, but it's not what its intended for.

 

[ASAPgang]

i've used some of the omms you listed for free, hell i've even middlemaned a couple thousand for free myself.

OMM wasn't created to give the trusted users deemed worthy, extra cash, it was created to give those who wanted to apply, the status that they are trusted, and when in doubt use them to avoid getting scammed, which is what i'm assuming bond holders is for, to help making the donation process faster, safer, and easier, not just another form to make money. Yes it does have those advantages if you wish to use them, but it's not what its intended for.

Personally, the reason of a bond holder is to weed out any chargebacks on Sythe himself.. He will always be up when it comes to donations, the person who receives the form of payment (Bond holder) will have to carry the responsibility of dealing with charge backs.. If that wasn't the case, there would be no need for a bond holder.
Really, they are just a puppet.

 

[Vanilla Milkshake]

It's really Indigenous to see that when a ' female ' comes on a website with a population of about 98% males ~ that people stop using their brains.
What fails to amaze me is whilst there are many struggling start up shops and services in this community, people such as Elena are able to gain vouches and so called 'trust' rather quickly.
Correct me if I'm wrong but what happened with Lille_services a similar story a huge amount of trust was placed on a single person and what happened?
It's rather derogatory that people such as Elena should be able to charge so much just to handle donations. Thinking about this from a monetary perspective you are being over charged on intangible goods which in my opinion in this case is 'charity' considering the donation is then used for the 'betterment' of the community.
Ill Slay Her has made a totally valid argument , why should users like him with a brain pay more when if you think about it, he is trying to help out the community. It's pathetic to see some people here trying to spam just to get recognized , I wish more people stopped and listened to what they were saying. I think we've developed a culture where by its acceptable to post shit just to be more involved in the community.
As for the user who made a comment about charging what you want and communism, are you mentally disabled? You are not selling a product where you can price discriminate.
Having said all this I understand that taking donations directly is risky, however to this other sites manage it particularly well for example Powerbot.
Essentially what were seeing here to the determent of the community is us having to pay more because Sythe is not willing to take the risk.
Quite pathetic really , Elena I suggest you shut the fuck up because I rarely hate on people but people like you really piss me off
and for the record I'm not homosexual.

 

[ilovegold69]

It's really Indigenous to see that when a ' female ' comes on a website with a population of about 98% males ~ that people stop using their brains.
What fails to amaze me is whilst there are many struggling start up shops and services in this community, people such as Elena are able to gain vouches and so called 'trust' rather quickly.
Correct me if I'm wrong but what happened with Lille_services a similar story a huge amount of trust was placed on a single person and what happened?
It's rather derogatory that people such as Elena should be able to charge so much just to handle donations. Thinking about this from a monetary perspective you are being over charged on intangible goods which in my opinion in this case is 'charity' considering the donation is then used for the 'betterment' of the community.
Ill Slay Her has made a totally valid argument , why should users like him with a brain pay more when if you think about it, he is trying to help out the community. It's pathetic to see some people here trying to spam just to get recognized , I wish more people stopped and listened to what they were saying. I think we've developed a culture where by its acceptable to post shit just to be more involved in the community.
As for the user who made a comment about charging what you want and communism, are you mentally disabled? You are not selling a product where you can price discriminate.
Having said all this I understand that taking donations directly is risky, however to this other sites manage it particularly well for example Powerbot.
Essentially what were seeing here to the determent of the community is us having to pay more because Sythe is not willing to take the risk.
Quite pathetic really , Elena I suggest you shut the fuck up because I rarely hate on people but people like you really piss me off
and for the record I'm not homosexual.

*knuckle crack*

I liked the beginning of your post. It incorporated some awkward conclusions to the evil nature of these so called "females".

So. Tell me if i am understanding this correctly.

Because Elena may very well be a girl that has been trusted with this rank it is of course inherently true that she used her sex to shoot herself all the way to the top of the ranks with little to no effort. Using the comparison of Lille_services you say that this is a rampant problem with these strange and uncharted species called women. If I am reading your post correctly you have a conspiracy theory that because she is a girl she gets obscene amounts of vouches very quickly by no act of her own.

I see 1 vital flaw with your hypothesis. It isn't just women who are trusted with money who scam. It is actually mostly men (From what i can tell). Need an example? Look through the where did _ go? thread.

You then go on to talk about how it is "derogatory" that she is allowed to charge a fee for her services. We've covered this about 10000 times on this thread, it is actually quite a good read. I suggest you flip through the contradictions to your arguments before posting them.

As for calling this rank a charity... asapgang covered a major reason for why they are needed. You are taking a risk with chargebacks and you are also changing currency. Go to any international currency exchange and I bet their prices will be steeper than anyone on here. And why you don't get that Ill Slay Her can still donate without using Elena? Elena is not here to take donations, nor is she paid to do so. If I am correct the only compensation for taking the financial risk and shuffling currency around is what she can charge you the people for her services.

Spamming to get recognized?

Oh! This is the part where I get called out!

Oh, I am being called mentally disabled because I think something about communism and that price discrimination isn't allowed with service goods. I guess. Ok I think I've got you now. So you're saying that sythe should decide the prices of the market. Well I'm sorry to inform you but that isn't capitalism either... it's socialism... Close 'nuf right though? I'm sure you had a better way of putting that whole statement so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't "listen to what you were saying".

You close your paragraph of h8 with a nice closing statement that kind of ruins your argument. The community is suffering because sythe doesn't want to take the risk when taking donations, other people take the risk for a fee, and the community is forced against their will to use these intermediaries to donate with currencies that sythe doesn't want to take.

Oh the humanity.

I blame sythe himself.

The bastard!

 

[Delta Squad]

pretty sure lillie_services was a dude.

infact if it was a girl i'm shocked.

 

[ilovegold69]

pretty sure lillie_services was a dude.

infact if it was a girl i'm shocked.

high five

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