Donations

[Elena]

I do agree that there should be more bond holders, especially with Grave on SRB and also the fact that TBT is busy with school from what I have seen, I also think there should be people for 07 specifically if they want to.

 

[Ill Slay Her]

SO far 3 supporters for more bond holders and accepting further methods of donating, including 07GP!

 

[Elena]

The issue your going to have is people that are going to stay active. Because if I understand correctly the last round of bond holders that there was did not end up good. Nerfed was banned, and a few things happened with a few others. So now you have to find people willing to do it and that you know will be around so to speak.

 

[Ill Slay Her]

The issue your going to have is people that are going to stay active. Because if I understand correctly the last round of bond holders that there was did not end up good. Nerfed was banned, and a few things happened with a few others. So now you have to find people willing to do it and that you know will be around so to speak.

From my knowledge, bonds are secured, which means Sythe is paid upfront for whatever amount the holder chooses. If they leave, are banned or do something against the rules, that bond is Sythe's to keep, so there isn't a huge loss for the community (other than losing a holder). However, I wouldn't even consider that a loss, as we don't want bond holders who are scammers or will scam anyway.

The problem is activity level, methods of doation and also ability to clear donations quickly. It seems that other than you, none of the other holders are on. I've literally been trying for a week.

 

[Elena]

Well, I am not going to get into how it all works, but a bond holder could still scam they do accept the donation first so they still need to be careful who they allow to become one in that sense. Also once you have been a member for 14 days, and have donated 5.00 and i think it's 50 posts you can donate directly via pp.

 

[Ill Slay Her]

Well, I am not going to get into how it all works, but a bond holder could still scam they do accept the donation first so they still need to be careful who they allow to become one in that sense. Also once you have been a member for 14 days, and have donated 5.00 and i think it's 50 posts you can donate directly via pp.

I know that, but what I'm saying is the holder can't accept donations for an amount more than they have secured with Sythe, therefore if they scam, Sythe has the money already, and can still credit the donation to the person being scammed.

Also, the problem with that is getting the initial $5 donation done, when there are no holders available that accept a variety of methods. Not everyone plays EOC or has a PlayerAuctions account.

 

[Elena]

See but even that doesn't work because the person donating doesn't know how much the bond holder has so there for let's say You have X amount in your bond but you lie about it someone donates 200$ worth to you, and you only have 50.00 in your bond and you scam well now the person is only getting the 50 and not the 200 they got scammed for.

 

[stringcheese]

What method are you trying to donate with, it's easy once you donated 5 USD because after that you can just donate direct to Sythe with PayPal or a CC.

OP, did you even read Fendle's post?

 

If I could become a bond holder, I would do 5$ for like 6$ in gp and 25$ for around 28$ in gp. I hope I get accepted.

edit: or have competitively low rates. not sure how those stack up against all the others

 

[Ill Slay Her]

OP, did you even read Fendle's post?

If you read the post after that, you wouldn't need me to answer that for you. Nice attempt at calling me out, though.

John, those are at least somewhat reasonable, but from what I've seen there's better out there. Grave's rates around about right. He charges .10c on the dollar. I think anything more than that and it becomes unfair to the donator, and Sythe is also losing out.

What people don't understand is that if the person is willing to pay that extra amount, theres got to be a way to make sure that the whole community is benefiting from it, and not just the person whos providing the service.

Essentially, the current system is VERY easily abused by the bond holders, Elena even agrees with that and she seems respected bond holder herself.

 

[Elena]

After thinking it over, I have changed my prices slightly but that is all I am doing I am not going to lose money, It is a service As the user who is donating should benefit in the sense of it going to the site. We as bond holders shouldn't lose money, So I did adjust my prices slightly but as the current state of the market i wont be making anymore adjustments right now. If your wondering the way we lose money is we can't get rid of the stock. Anyways, I support a few more bond holders, and have slightly adjusted my prices.

 

[Heeatz]

To bad I didn't so get your facts straight.

Any chance you could stop spamming for 5 minutes of your life? It is ridiculous the rates you charge. $10 to process a $25 donation and you say your not in it for the money!? LMAO. When i was a bond holder i charged way less than that. Heck. Through PA i profited ~$1 per donation...

 

[Delta Squad]

pay mathew the money through mail, get your own bond service, fix the problem that you see problem solved, and the bitching can stop


/thread

 

[ilovegold69]

After thinking it over, I have changed my prices slightly

Please don't give in to other people nagging you that your prices are too high. This isn't a communist website so you should be charging some extra money for your services and those prices should really, more or less, be your decision. If you want to change your prices so be it but don't give in because some people don't like your business model.

That being said if you are unhappy with the current systems of donation why not embrace capitalism and make a small business yourself like Elena did. At least he/she had some sort of ambition to do so.

 

[Heeatz]

Please don't give in to other people nagging you that your prices are too high. This isn't a communist website so you should be charging some extra money for your services and those prices should really, more or less, be your decision. If you want to change your prices so be it but don't give in because some people don't like your business model.

That being said if you are unhappy with the current systems of donation why not embrace capitalism and make a small business yourself like Elena did. At least he/she had some sort of ambition to do so.

Would you like paying $10 for a $5 donation? And not just anyone can become a bond holder... You're all talking like 'oh yeah get your own bond then its sorted'. Well, its not as easy as that.

 

[ilovegold69]

Would you like paying $10 for a $5 donation? And not just anyone can become a bond holder... You're all talking like 'oh yeah get your own bond then its sorted'. Well, its not as easy as that.

First of all you aren't understanding what I am saying. I don't like paying any amount of money for anything. One of the more beneficial aspects of capitalism is that if a business isn't well thought out or its prices can easily be undercut it will not be successful. Only then should anybody think about reducing their prices.

And for your second statement you make it sound like there are a select few people whom are caste by birth to be a donation middleman. Obviously the people who are doing it now had some sort of path to get there and that only proves that whoever puts forth sufficient effort to achieve said goal will likely do so.

 

[Delta Squad]

First of all you aren't understanding what I am saying. I don't like paying any amount of money for anything. One of the more beneficial aspects of capitalism is that if a business isn't well thought out or its prices can easily be undercut it will not be successful. Only then should anybody think about reducing their prices.

And for your second statement you make it sound like there are a select few people whom are caste by birth to be a donation middleman. Obviously the people who are doing it now had some sort of path to get there and that only proves that whoever puts forth sufficient effort to achieve said goal will likely do so.

okay then quit bitching if someone marksup their prices, no matter how jacked up it is, go through someone else who doesn't turn a profit, and wait, it's really not that hard, it took me like 3 hours to get my donation sent in, saying it takes a week+ is utter bullshit you obsly arn't trying hard enough.

 

[ilovegold69]

okay then quit bitching if someone marksup their prices, no matter how jacked up it is, go through someone else who doesn't turn a profit, and wait, it's really not that hard, it took me like 3 hours to get my donation sent in, saying it takes a week+ is utter bullshit you obsly arn't trying hard enough.

I can't tell if you quoted the wrong person or if i am not following your logic. I was actually promoting the idea that they should be able to charge whatever they want and that people need to "quit bitching if someone marksup their prices". I also said nothing about donations taking weeks so I'm assuming you were agreeing with me?

Thanks?

 

[Elena]

Heatz, I was responding to a statement made therefore it's not spam. Also, Grave charges .25 your telling me he isn't profiting off that? how about official middle man they have fee's right? Exactly so why don't you stop trying to come at me every chance you get and make yourself look stupid. OMM is a service and they charge fee's no reasons bond holders can't do the same. Next time try to come up with a valid argument instead of just running your mouth.

 

[Heeatz]

Heatz, I was responding to a statement made therefore it's not spam. Also, Grave charges .25 your telling me he isn't profiting off that? how about official middle man they have fee's right? Exactly so why don't you stop trying to come at me every chance you get and make yourself look stupid. OMM is a service and they charge fee's no reasons bond holders can't do the same. Next time try to come up with a valid argument instead of just running your mouth.

I never said profiting was an issue. But charging such extortionate prices such as yours is.

Also, middleman actually protect a trade; you can't exactly get scammed out of a donation so stop acting like a bond holder is an OMM. Next time try actually countering the argument instead of coming up with a bullshit excuse to get some bonus post count.