[Denied] Minimum standard for vouches

Suggestion: have some sort of minimum standard for vouches left for others (quantity/who went first)

I know the big thing is teaching users/newcomers to look at the weight of the vouch versus quantity (quality over quantity), however it's hard to do that if the vouches itself aren't detailed with at least some information.

These are examples of vouches found:
sold gp thx
bought osrs, went fast and & smooth
very good service!
sold gold to this guy, ty
the best <3

These don't really tell quantity/who went first which would support a weight of the vouch/quality.
There's huge differences that are left out in vouches (sold account can mean a tutorial starter vs a max ironman, sold gp can mean 5M vs 5B, services can mean 1-50 fm vs 100 solo CoX with access to max gear).

Obviously not looking to put more things on mods times that they are doing for free on the site, but having this may start to set/build good practices to at least leave some general details to gather facts of the vouch/trade when users are reviewing the quality of vouches. Hell, I even think this may help support modes time in reviewing possible fake vouch reports being reviewed quicker/easier if some details are put into the vouch versus some of the vouches shown above.

 

Support, as long as this suggestion is limited to a minimum (so no long list of requirements to vouches, just some basic exclusions/inclusions, like who went first/size of trade).

To add a second argument: in case of fake vouching, the fake-vouchers will have to be more specific in what they have to prove in retrospect.

 

Sounds redundant IMO.

 

I'm not really making this for a template style approach, more-so just some information to go off in vouches. This was a solid 3-5 minutes of searching to find the vouches above, there's likely a lot more with absolutely no information to go on to gather information from the vouch.

Not sure I'm following this statement. Can you elaborate?

It sounds like you do support it? This post isn't really about having them vouch in a certain way (IE a template) but more-so to provide some basic information. Your ending point says just what I'm basically getting at.

 

The first thing most jump to when a scam occurs is to tell this person/newcomer/etc to focus on the quality of the vouch & not quantity. You & I know these things because it's common sense & we've been around a bit, however most new users do not. It seems a lot of people are taking an approach to try to educate people in the market as well as topics/pinned posts/rules/etc that seem to provide a sense of education for trades (IE check discord ID, require a sythe PM, review feedback, etc). My $.02 is that requiring some type of basic information will help to support what is mentioned above & allow users to get some sort of information or sense of weight from a vouch.

This isn't for an entire full fledge vouch change to have staff go through each post/thread & delete all horrible vouches & infract/etc as some may view. Hell I don't even have a specific answer to a 'what would happen to the old horrible vouches' question at this moment, but others may. I suggested it as more-so as a building-block/standard practice moving forward that I believe would be beneficial going forward.

 

Like it in theory,

in practice, it will never work. it is too hard to teach buyers who hardly use the site to leave a detailed vouch

 

Agreed. If there was some sort of auto-generated template for every post in that forum I think this could be easily achieved, but I'm not sure that's possible with our current XenForo configurations. We'd talked to Matthew about something like this for other forum uses in the past (and I believe it was built?) but remains unimplemented.

For example:

Code:

Who went first:
How much was transacted:

 

Something simple like that would be great as it doesn’t have to be ground breaking or research paper length. Quick and simple.

 

Doesn’t really make sense as looking over your vouches you post — at least — the point of this thread with leaving at least some sort of basic understanding of what the deal was (IE sold 700M vs sold GP).

To your second point the same can be said with every rule on Sythe or any new suggestion regarding mods. They don’t sit there stalking every thread for 4 hour bump timers for example. It’s things that get implemented as a standard and most start to understand and follow it — whether it’s someone reporting the post/etc or a mod eventually catching on or another way. This isn’t a suggestion to have vouches stalked 24/7.