Give warning for "Signature too Big" before Issuing Warning Point

So I got a wanring point for my signature being too big, month after I had uploaded my signature

The signature in question is the same signature that I currently have

I asked the community about this and only got a response from @King (thanks king, the only person to reply after a few bumps...)

I think that sythe should at offer of of the two

1. An "upload" for the signature that tells your if the signature is too large

2. A warning (via PM) is isused to you to change the size or remove the signature. If the users does not change or remove the signature withing 36 hours, a warning point is issued.

why is this a problem? I got a signature made by an amazing artist and it was fine for months, until I log in to see that I got my first warning point. I was not told what was wrong with it, removed it, and about a month later I added it back.

To this day, I have not received another warning point, and I believe that I was wrongly given the warning point. I will continue to use this signature, until someone can tell me what is wrong with it.

please refer to this posting for more information...

https://www.sythe.org/threads/possibly-undeserved-sig-too-big-warning-seeking-advice/


apparently @Dieze seems to know what the cause was, but I was never told I needed a white line, how to add it, or how to remove it, and can't find information on this anywhere. I'm just very confused on this whole signature issue and would like to see something in place to warn other users so that they don't get warning point, especially since a signature size violation shouldn't be help to the same standards and strictness of other types of warning points..

 

Option 1 is not feasible due to the different file types and how it uploads. Ive read this before somewhere else.

Option 2 should not be used. Your inability to read the rules does not consitute the rules of the website being changed.

If you recieved a infraction when your signature was in excess of 650x350 then it was not given in error. If you are arguing that you "had it for a month so it should be okay" then you are wrong. Moderators do not go out of their way to assult rule breakers. Somebody reported you because you had too large of a signature and you did; therfore you got an infraction.

 

I'll quote the rule for them and how it is punished to try to help you out, most the time moderators only look into things when they are reported or made aware of them

The Official Sythe.org Rules

Pretty lucky to get away with just a warning though and not an infraction as that rule got updated in December 2016.

I got warned for my signature being too large by Wortel before and I made it smaller and never received any warning/infraction, guess it depends on the moderator.

 

Warning points mean fuck all mate, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

It's a signature violation, and yes rules are rules, but it's not that serious. Most rules that are in effect are to punish those who have bad intentions on this site (hacking, scamming, trolling, plagiarizing, etc etc), but this rule is in effect to help keep the website from looking too cluttered, and punish those who put NSFW images in their signature. I understand every moderator handles things differently, but the user even said a GFX designer on Sythe made this signature for him, and he used it after purchasing it from him. Do you really want to give a guy a warning point for not knowing the exact measurements of the signature he ordered? Obviously you can't blame the GFX designer either for accidentally over-sizing it, but in all seriousness a warning is the most I'd find reasonable under the circumstance that this is a first time occurrence, but if it isn't then an infraction would be reasonable. I understand it says "users will receive 1 infraction for the following on that rule", but for that rule I think a warning prior is fine, but like I said it really all depends on the moderator I guess.

 

I think it's pretty cut and dry, the rule is the rule. You are expected to know the rules (within reason) being an active user of Sythe.

If your signature is too big, you're breaking the rules as such have the possibility of being punished.

If you received a 'warning' then you're fine. There is no punishment followed but alternatively it is a way of a moderator using the Mod CP to nicely notify you of the rule break and not infract your account. The note is left on your account to let staff know if you've been notified of this problem in the past. If this wasn't the first time offense of the sort a infraction is likely to follow.

 

If I remember correctly I also got a warning regarding the size of my signature from @Wortel (Thanks for the heads up! ) and I find it reasonable that you should get a pm from a moderator regarding the signatures size before getting any "punishments". I don't believe that it's a big deal to send a pm to someone telling that their signature is too big. Personally I haven't read the Sythe rules fully and I know I'm not the only one. Everyone should be able to use their common sense on what you can and can not do on a public platform.

 

If he was to order a signature to use on sythe its his responsibility to know and communicate to the artist what he needs.

If he is given a graphic its his responsibility to check if its within the parimeters when he puts it on as his signature.


Other moderators may choose to only give a warning or just pm the user telling them they are violating signature requirments when they find somebody in violation. This does not mean the moderators that give out the correct punishment as per the rules should have to answer for doing their job correctly (was not me who issued the infraction, just clarifying).

 

wrong.
Graphics Marketplace Rules [Updated March 25, 2014]
read the rules for your section, thanks.

 

I apologize, it appears your correct about the first point I made. (unless the user requested them for secondary use)

The second two points still stand however.

 

First off, in response to all of those that claim I didn't know the rules, I specifically read all the rules before ording my signature. I have always known the maximum sizes, and this signature IS within the maximum size(at least dimension wise, but I can't see how there is anyway it can exceed 2.5mb..)..... ( before ording a professional one, I had made about 4 of my own, but weren't happy with if since I can't afford PSD and AE to get what I really wanted and I had always known the sizes)..

I understand. I was confused with warning point vs infraction. So a warning point on my profile doesn't mean anything really??

I have no problem with the "rule", and think anyone who breaks he rule should be punished accordingly.

It's just that I had the signature for so long, never had anyone have problems with it, and I made sure 2 time so 2 different sites that my signature was within size. The second I got a warning point, I made a posting about it and @King and @WYD (it was either him or @Sighz), pointed me to the rules section, as well as how to change the size.

But once using the websites they provided, as well as a mother website, I found that my signature was actually within the maximum size, which is what I thought from the beginning, in fact, a few pixles under for the width I believe (possible the both in fact).

I think the issue MAY have been the "file size" when it comes to the After Effects, but there was no way for me personally to check that, at least I didn't know this, mostly because I can't afford PSD right now and got the image as a .GIF on imgur, and that doesn't really show you that.

I know this is no excuse, and I am currently looking up where I can find the files size of this signature (MB/KB or whatever wise). If it comes out to it being actually too big in file size, I apologize for having too big of a signature.

I just felt that instead of giving me a wanting point, to someone who had spent $X on a signature, I should have gotten a PM, but I understand that every mod if different and I understand where you are coming from!

Sorry if my suggestion came off as harsh, because some users responded in a harshesh was to it, but I'm not trying to cause trouble, I just am really OCD about a clean account and was just curious to why I got a warning point.


Also, I just want to point out that my suggestion is to add a "upload file", just like for the avatar upload to make sure that this doesn't need to be a problem, and would actually take some work away from mods who wouldn't have to go through and check each one and issue infractions or warning points, since this problem would not emerge.

But how could this not be possible?


Some people upload .jpeg, .gif, .psd, etc as those avatar. Why can't a button be added to allow The same files types. I mean probably 99% of the signatures on the site would be uploaded via .gif from Imgur, or a psd or JPEG.

^ not trying to be rude by asking this, I am just wondering why this couldn't be done on the technical side. And I don't want this just because I "broke the rules", just because it was an accident , but rather as a life improvement for sythe users.

Let's be honest, most sythe users won't always know of the signature they bought is over 2.5mb, especially since they are almost NEVER downloaded and just uploaded to imgur


Thanks for the response Tyler

 

I agree with @Eazy E, should be messaged privately first about it and if there isn't a change within e.g. 24 hours then a warning point is given.

 

I don't give warnings to people with big signatures, I remove it and replace it with this:



So people are aware of how big it should be & their code is PMed to them so they can make any changes.

I don't think people should get an infraction unless they don't remove it within 24 hours after they've seen the PM.

 

You are able to be infracted for a signature being too big; however, mods are also well within their right to just warn or notify you. If I infracted someone for a signature violation and they PM'd me saying "sorry, didnt' know!", I would just remove the infraction. The infraction system is the "warning" system and if you do something against the rules, you receive one. Infractions only matter when you start building them up and are steadily receiving them.

If it's not a pain development-wise, I see no issue on adding a little "your signature is too big"; however, I also think it is overly-paternalistic and not needed. Check your signature dimensions, it's not too much to ask when uploading an image.

Regarding #2, that is an exceptional amount of work for moderators to handle for just a signature violation and imo would be silly to codify. If moderators want to be notify before hand, that's their decision.

Ps. Chloe's lil sig is cute af

 

There is (or was) a sticky in SL for signature violations whereby a moderator would post who had been warned already. 1st violation was a PM and signature removal, 2nd would be something like an infraction, 3rd signature ban for X or something something yada yada. Not logging them this way however just came down to pure laziness of staff to have a procedure for it and search to see how many times the user had been warned before.

Personally my procedure for a simple one image signature was just to resize it and save myself and them the bother of PM'ing, warning etc. If it was one of these signatures cut in to 100 bits my procedure was always to just remove the signature, PM the links back to the owner in case they hadn't saved them and let them know about the rule and leave them to it.

But, at the end of the day an infraction point isn't going to do anything to you, nobody else can even see them, worry about things worth worrying about.

 

We issued warnings/infractions/etc per offence for many years and documented it within a thread in the staff lounge.

After doing this for so long, the staff voted unanimously to do away with the complicated process and issue 1-point infractions for each offence instead.

Keep it simple.

 

understood! nice to know!

yes I understnad, but again, this wasn't an issue with my signature being "too big" in terms dimensions. I was within the W/H, and still think I am within the maximum file size of 2.5GB

the whole point was that I never had a signature past the maximum dimensions

I feel like this came across as a complaint, when it really is just a suggestion to add a "upload signature", Which would be cool and easy and wouldn't make people upload to imgur or another site before posting.


Anyway, thanks for all the replies guys

 

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