Sythe in the bush

Well can you Anwser my question what's the purpose of living out there besides having a farm?

Naice said:

Well can you Anwser my question what's the purpose of living out there besides having a farm?

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Read the thread !

My question wasn't anwsered when I read it -____-

Naice said:

My question wasn't anwsered when I read it -____-

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Meaning you didn't read it at all

http://www.sythe.org/12593114-post50.html

Is this sustainable fiscally? It seems fairly expensive with all the generators, etc. Are you able to work some other sort of job on the internet?

why wouldn't you want to live in the bush?

Nick said:

Is this sustainable fiscally? It seems fairly expensive with all the generators, etc. Are you able to work some other sort of job on the internet?

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We don't use the generators much. We're getting more solar and I'm building a gasifier. But you'd be amazed how much money you save not paying any rent. And once we start running cattle there should be money enough.

I'm guessing you're doing this to live away from the government.
I can't find anything about taxes in this thread so I'll ask: Are you paying taxes?
If you are, would you willingly stop? (Knowing that if you or your girlfriend got ill, you couldn't call emergency services, and you couldn't go to the hospital, and so on?)

Sythe i read why you want to do all this and i wish i could, everyone does. Everyone wishes they could leave and ditch the poisioned water they give us and everything but we cant... you are one lucky guy man to be able to financially be able to do this and actually be brave enough to take the risk. Respsect man

Imagine said:

I'm guessing you're doing this to live away from the government.
I can't find anything about taxes in this thread so I'll ask: Are you paying taxes?
If you are, would you willingly stop? (Knowing that if you or your girlfriend got ill, you couldn't call emergency services, and you couldn't go to the hospital, and so on?)

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Lets say a company came to your town and took over (by force) schools, hospitals, universities and roads. These things all existed before they came along but they have guns and they took them by force. Then they passed 'decrees' that said no one else was allowed to start any of these things without their permission, and further, everyone within a certain geographical area around them must give them money everytime they buy or sell something, and at the end of the year some portion of their yearly income.

Then I come along and point out how fucking monstrous this is, and you ask: "if you got on the bad side of this company and refused to pay them protection money, and your girlfriend got sick, would you take her to the hospitals they run because they stole all the hospitals and no one else is allowed to build a hospital without their permission?"

To which I would reply: yes, you fucking idiot. Not like we have any god damn choice.

Sythe said:

Lets say a company came to your town and took over (by force) schools, hospitals, universities and roads. These things all existed before they came along but they have guns and they took them by force. Then they passed 'decrees' that said no one else was allowed to start any of these things without their permission, and further, everyone within a certain geographical area around them must give them money everytime they buy or sell something, and at the end of the year some portion of their yearly income.

Then I come along and point out how fucking monstrous this is, and you ask: "if you got on the bad side of this company and refused to pay them protection money, and your girlfriend got sick, would you take her to the hospitals they run because they stole all the hospitals and no one else is allowed to build a hospital without their permission?"

To which I would reply: yes, you fucking idiot. Not like we have any god damn choice.

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There were no hospitals before organized civilization, but anyways, do you not consider it unfair then that you are abusing privileges granted to those who contribute money to the running of these privileges? Or do you just see it as a "They screwed me over, so I don't really care if I do this to them"?

(Because by doing that you're hurting the taxpayers more than the government itself).

Country bumpkin damn that hell country or real damn smart lol.

DAMN WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TOO.

Imagine said:

There were no hospitals before organized civilization,

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Oh jesus. Come on man, get your historical facts straight. Civilization != government. In fact thugs have been presiding over everyone throughout most of history. If government were civilization, why are there third world countries? If government magically makes healthcare why are 3/4 of the world's people without healthcare, but 0% are without government?

but anyways, do you not consider it unfair then that you are abusing privileges granted to those who contribute money to the running of these privileges? Or do you just see it as a "They screwed me over, so I don't really care if I do this to them"?

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Privileges? Contributions? These all imply voluntary consent. Voting is not even voluntary in Australia. The government takes our money (including mine) at gun point, and provides us with 'services' at the same point of the same gun. Yet I am the one who is abusing? What planet do you live on?

Lets replace government with a doctor rapist. Do you feel that you are abusing your privileges of being medically seen to by your doctor rapist by not consenting to have sex with your doctor rapist?

How many cattle are looking at hosting? Is the land/nutrition stable for healthy cattle?

Sythe said:

Oh jesus. Come on man, get your historical facts straight. Civilization != government. In fact thugs have been presiding over everyone throughout most of history. If government were civilization, why are there third world countries? If government magically makes healthcare why are 3/4 of the world's people without healthcare, but 0% are without government?

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All (decently large, and sufficiently advanced to construction hospitals) civilization has had some form of government.

Also I'm not sure what you're saying about third world countries? They have civilization, and a government. Sure, the government is corrupt, but the civilization isn't very advanced either. And the government doesn't magically make healthcare -- the government uses tax money to aid those who need it for medical purposes.

Privileges? Contributions? These all imply voluntary consent. Voting is not even voluntary in Australia. The government takes our money (including mine) at gun point, and provides us with 'services' at the same point of the same gun. Yet I am the one who is abusing? What planet do you live on?

Lets replace government with a doctor rapist. Do you feel that you are abusing your privileges of being medically seen to by your doctor rapist by not consenting to have sex with your doctor rapist?

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As far as your example -- No, I'm not abusing my privileges by not seeing him, its a privilege, not something mandatory. However, if the doctor rapist also happened to have a charity, and I decided to steal from it (instead of taking two meals, say I take 50), then yes, I'd be abusing my privileges.

Imagine said:

All (decently large, and sufficiently advanced to construction hospitals) civilization has had some form of government.

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Doubful, but even if true, they seized control of all the hospitals and stole everyone's money.

Look imagine hospitals are mines. If people doing business as the government came to a geographical area and seized control of all the mines, then stole all the money people would otherwise have invested in mining then used that money to build mines and line their own pockets, and to stop other people building mines, then they would own all the mines.

Then you come along and say "all sufficiently large mines are at least partially funded by the government". Well that's what happens when you STEAL ALL THE MONEY AND ALL THE MINES.

Also I'm not sure what you're saying about third world countries? They have civilization, and a government. Sure, the government is corrupt, but the civilization isn't very advanced either. And the government doesn't magically make healthcare -- the government uses tax money to aid those who need it for medical purposes.

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No, your argument was that healthcare comes from government. Everywhere has government, but most places don't have healthcare. It's not even remotely true that government makes healthcare. Look at history. Where there was an existing culture of medicine and healthcare (such as many parts of the western world) this was taken over by the government, and is now (in adjusted terms) far worse than it was in the past. The number of medical colleges in the US for example has fallen dramatically, doctors no longer make house calls, I can get my pet in for a PET scan tomorrow, but if i need one for myself or you need one for your child that's a 6 month waiting list after 6 months trying to get a referral.

I don't think you know ANYTHING about this topic. So you should stop and go read up first.

As far as your example -- No, I'm not abusing my privileges by not seeing him, its a privilege, not something mandatory. However, if the doctor rapist also happened to have a charity, and I decided to steal from it (instead of taking two meals, say I take 50), then yes, I'd be abusing my privileges.

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A thief cannot run a charity. It is not his money to give away.

Re: hospitals, here's some reading: http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html

Sythe said:

In fact thugs have been presiding over everyone throughout most of history.

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So you really can't escape it?

SuF said:

So you really can't escape it?

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Slave ownership has been persistent throughout history but that's abolished in much of the world now. I don't see that it's that big a leap to abolish the more general form of slave ownership called citizenship.

@b1k r1ch
Still waiting for u to go kangaroo hunting with your bear hands as you said earlier in the thread. I want to see you size up the alfa roo and tackle and wrestle it into submission. After it's done fighting to escape, (this may take hours) reverse mount it and snap the fuckers neck.