My Guide Sale Thread

[SuF]

Definitely did not have my permission...

Either delete these rules as they clearly do not serve much purpose or please reevaluate, unless of course I am somehow misinterpreting this decision. Thank you.

You are mistaken in the fact that you own the guide. You do not. He made his own guide.

 

[the hectic]

Technically wouldn't it be against the Sherman act to have a monopoly? But sense everyone on this website who plays Runescape is violating the copyright, and terms and conditions of Runescape, who cares right? OT, Who cares if they have the same guide. R2Pleasent's thread shouldn't have been closed. You cannot prove who figured it out, even though R2 has been here much longer, and has been a mod, he probably knew about it before. This shouldn't be this difficult. Stop acting like fools.

 

[The Pkkid V6]

I seek to have the guide section rules changed or exceptions be allowed to be made, especially when an Xfer method used by every gp xfer person on this site is sold.

I am going to put an end to this "Whoever runs and sells it first" garbage automatically has the monopoly.

Still, some people may buy a copy of the guide and then sell a changed version.
You have to be sketch about things like that etc.

For certain things though, like real life profit guides, transfer methods, merchanting guides, that's to broad of a thing to close down to a single sale, because many people know many of the methods and would like to profit off them .

 

[FireZ]

Real life profit guides will be moved where they should have gone since day 1, to other sales.

Transfer method guides hopefully will become non-existent Feb 1.

We will be careful on multiple users selling the same guide.

 

[fearon]

You are mistaken in the fact that you own the guide. You do not. He made his own guide.

these were the exact thoughts i was thinking.

 

[Emperor Nero]

So why am I in trouble again?

lulz.

In my opinion -
Viou said 'Hey, I am going to sell my transfer method before free trade' then a few days later R2P said the same thing. Same method, bad verification, guide sale control always fails.

 

[Lured Yah]

It's pretty patronizing; naturally HamJam I hope you can realize that we have a natural resentment towards each other. We are direct competitors in GP sales. I think I made my story clear to FiReZ, and he will agree that the current system is not perfect. Putting an xfer method in Guide form should not be a copyright on the method itself.

the whole point is, you should have made a suggestion about this BEFORE selling someone elses guide..
I still think ALL rules should apply to EVERYONE.

 

[FireZ]

Its not Viou's guide and he doesn't own it. You missed that. He didn't invent it.

 

[OldFinn]

Will the staff finally re-accept that attempting to control guides sales will never work? This is obviously a case of a user, R2Pleasent, breaking a asinine rule that should have never been a rule in the first place. I applaud FireZ for taking the initiative and recognizing the problem at hand.

First decent post on this thread.

It is completely unrealistic for the staff to try and identify the origin of knowledge.

This rule needs to be amended.

 

[Weasel2013]

This rule needs to be amended.

So amend it..? You are an admin

I think we should wait until FT to do any major reconstruction to our system though...like FireZ said, with the updates transfer methods should become non-existent.

 

[HamJam]

So amend it..? You are an admin

I think we should wait until FT to do any major reconstruction to our system though...like FireZ said, with the updates transfer methods should become non-existent.

I've made a draft of the new rules in the staff lounge, they need to be checked by other staff members though so we can come to a conclusive, if not substantial agreement on them. Rather than them being completely changed, they will instead be; more easily accessible and much clearer to understand.

 

[SuF]

First decent post on this thread.

It is completely unrealistic for the staff to try and identify the origin of knowledge.

This rule needs to be amended.

I just noticed my poor grammar when you quoted me.

Essentially the only fair way I see to do it is to make the rule, you are not allowed to resell a guide (or your own guide with a bought method). Even if people are selling the same method in different guides it does not matter unless one of them can prove that the other stole the guide, which is completely the responsibility of the user. Guide verifiers could notify guide sellers if another person is selling a similar guide and those users could then find proof of stealing, if there is any.

 

[HamJam]

I just noticed my poor grammar when you quoted me.

Essentially the only fair way I see to do it is to make the rule, you are not allowed to resell a guide (or your own guide with a bought method). Even if people are selling the same method in different guides it does not matter unless one of them can prove that the other stole the guide, which is completely the responsibility of the user. Guide verifiers could notify guide sellers if another person is selling a similar guide and those users could then find proof of stealing, if there is any.

Re-selling of a guide will not be allowed under any pretence, regardless if a guide is found in a guide pack or if it is bought from someone else.

Unless, as I have suggested, that we create a new sticky in the Verified Section where by if the seller of the verified guide wishes to pass on ALL rights to a buyer they can claim so on the thread. Something along the lines of - I (the seller) pass on all rights of the (said) guide to the buyer (name) and in the event that I am found to be still selling the guide, I will accordingly be banned for ripping.

More will hopefully be made clear... very soon.

 

[SuF]

Re-selling of a guide will not be allowed under any pretence, regardless if a guide is found in a guide pack or if it is bought from someone else.

Right. I was just throwing the responsibility onto the users instead of the staff. If the guide works, it should be allowed to be verified and sold. Any other regulation really is pointless. Or am I missing some major ideas?

Unless, as I have suggested, that we create a new sticky in the Verified Section where by if the seller of the verified guide wishes to pass on ALL rights to a buyer they can claim so on the thread. Something along the lines of - I (the seller) pass on all rights of the (said) guide to the buyer (name) and in the event that I am found to be still selling the guide, I will accordingly be banned for ripping.

More will hopefully be made clear... very soon.

Not really all that important.

 

[v3-]

Transfer methods have always been a gray area. I think the rule was originally put in place to prevent people from purchasing other people's guides and attempting to resell them without permission. This is just another reminder that most rules cannot be all encompassing, and should be treated as such.

In other news, Plznate showing contempt for R2P? This is a first.

 

[HamJam]

Right. I was just throwing the responsibility onto the users instead of the staff. If the guide works, it should be allowed to be verified and sold. Any other regulation really is pointless. Or am I missing some major ideas?

Not really all that important.

Sorry I misread your post. If this is what you are getting at: (copied out of my proposal)

Article #2 - To completely eliminate duplicate methods. By this I mean; the mechanics by which the method works, regardless of how a person may write or explain it. If the mechanics of 2 guides (the way in which they work or process) are the same; then the person to get his/her verified first, regardless if they wrote it themselves or not, will have full rights to sell it. If they have taken the initiative to get it verified first, then they have the copywrite of the method itself.


I. To summarize the main points in this, basically if a guide has been verified and another individual wishes to get his/her guide verified as well and he/she believes that their guide is different because they have used different words to explain it. The simple answer to this to it is that only 1 person can have a guide in the verified section that uses the same mechanics, by this I mean in the way it produces money or the technique involved in doing the glitch.

II. Regardless if they have used different words, if the mechanics (the way it works in-game) are the same then the person to request their guide to be verified first will have FULL rights to sell it. The other individual will not be allowed to sell it even though they may have explained it in their own words. The mechanics of a guide are more important then the words used to describe it; if a guide verifier was able to understand how to use it then the person buying should be able, too.

 

[SuF]

Sorry I misread your post. If this is what you are getting at: (copied out of my proposal)

I think that is over regulation. Why should competition not be allowed?

 

[HamJam]

I think that is over regulation. Why should competition not be allowed?

Those rules I've suggested are really just a clarification of the "un-written" rules that were already in place, if not a proper justification for them.

I don't think you can over regulate the guide section like you could with the Rsgp, accounts or even skilling section. The same ideology doesn't apply, it's not really a market place, like I you think it is. It's really a specialised market for guides only, those guides need to be treated different and must be kept be dealt with in the utmost regulation possible. There is really no competition per say between 2 guides because we are hopefully going to enforce that no 2 guides have the same mechanics. If this was available at the time of this event (the purpose for this thread) then it would have not happened, people would have read the very clear rules rather then guess at what the jurisdiction is.

It would have stopped all those copies of R2's guides that he has mentioned, where in the past several people would be selling the same method (mechanical) but with different words or way of explaining it. The end result would be the same of those guides would be the same. In my view, only 1 person should have the right to sell the guide and that's the person who gets it verified first. If they wish to sell their rights (check post above previous) they can do so in an organised fashion.

 

It would have stopped all those copies of R2's guides that he has mentioned, where in the past several people would be selling the same method (mechanical) but with different words or way of explaining it. The end result would be the same of those guides would be the same. In my view, only 1 person should have the right to sell the guide and that's the person who gets it verified first. If they wish to sell their rights (check post above previous) they can do so in an organised fashion.

I think you are going completely the wrong direction on this. Increasing regulation is not the answer here. Unless it can be proved that a guide is ripped, then it should be sellable. Sure, it creates ways for certain users to abuse the system and sell other people's guides. But, it encourages the original seller to keep track of his sales and take control of his own destiny.

Once again, having your guide submitted for verification first does not show who actually discovered the method. It is really flawed if someone can leech a method of another player / person, and not only sell it, but also prohibit the creator of the method from selling it themselves.

 

[FireZ]

It is really flawed if someone can leech a method of another player / person, and not only sell it, but also prohibit the creator of the method from selling it themselves.

This idea of "I sold it first" has got to go. Nicely put R2. Hopefully the rule change will exhibit this.