The drama and "clicks"

[Zed']

The drama isn't being caused by the mods though. It's just the members that can't follow the rules and then bitch about it when they get in trouble for breaking them, and then everyone else starts bitching because the person broke the rules. The admins and mods are doing their job and instead of giving them a hard time about it, help them out, or just don't say anything. They get enough shit on a daily basis from members without some other member making a thread bitching about how they do their job. If you don't agree with how they run things, you can leave, no one is making you stay.

Although you seem happy with the mods and what they do, not everyone is. The staff are in place in order to serve the community, to moderate it. The users are the community and should be just as important as the mods. Without mods, the community would suck. Without users, there would be no community. There needs to be a balancing act. Leaving when you see something wrong helps no one. People should be able to talk about issues that they see and get these issues resolved in a peaceful, respectful manner. Drama isn't necessary to fix issues.

For the record, initially I didn't recognize Hahanerd's reply was in the spam forum. I assumed it wasn't and edited it to make it more understandable. After realizing it was in the spam forum(and before your posted again, Zed) I edited it back.

It doesn't really matter. The thread its self isn't creating any drama in my eyes. The drama is the issues that are going on between Spyike and the staff and what not. Talking about this in a sensible, moderated way will not cause drama. Disallowing people from talking about bans and such will only make them want to do it more and make them mad that they can't. That just causes more drama because people get mad and start attacking each other and whining and such. Letting the users talk about issues, in a moderated way, and taking in to account what they have to say and how they feel about a situation would make many people much happier.

 

[goku usa]

Although you seem happy with the mods and what they do, not everyone is. The staff are in place in order to serve the community, to moderate it. The users are the community and should be just as important as the mods. Without mods, the community would suck. Without users, there would be no community. There needs to be a balancing act. Leaving when you see something wrong helps no one. People should be able to talk about issues that they see and get these issues resolved in a peaceful, respectful manner. Drama isn't necessary to fix issues.

You're wrong. Many of people who come on sythe need sythe just as much as sythe needs them. And like he said, if people just followed the rules, there wouldn't be any problems.

ps. would you consider this thread a "drama"?

 

[Divine_God]

@Divine, don't make assumptions about Tyro if you can't clearly back up your statement. You made a thread about drama, yet you're causing even more drama than necessary.

Tmoe is all I need. I'm not causing drama, I'm simply stating my point of veiw to better the community. Get past ir "Bro"

The drama isn't being caused by the mods though. It's just the members that can't follow the rules and then bitch about it when they get in trouble for breaking them, and then everyone else starts bitching because the person broke the rules. The admins and mods are doing their job and instead of giving them a hard time about it, help them out, or just don't say anything. They get enough shit on a daily basis from members without some other member making a thread bitching about how they do their job. If you don't agree with how they run things, you can leave, no one is making you stay.

I'm not "bitching", I'm leaving feedback. There is no checks and balances.

 

[Zed']

You're wrong. Many of people who come on sythe need sythe just as much as sythe needs them. And like he said, if people just followed the rules, there wouldn't be any problems.

ps. would you consider this thread a "drama"?

How am I wrong? Explain yourself better as I do not understand your reasoning.

People don't follow the rules and you can not change that. Simply writing off an issue because its these peoples fault isn't a solution.

This thread isn't dramatic at all. No one is really attacking anyone and everyone seems to be discussing an issue in a mature, respectable way with no issues.

 

[goku usa]

People don't follow the rules and you can not change that. Simply writing off an issue because its these peoples fault isn't a solution.

What do you suggest they should do then? Let them off the hook? Ban them?

 

[Kleenex]

There are problems here, and everyone knows it. You blow everything out of proportion and make Sythe seem like a horrible site and community, when in fact, it isn't. You bash on the administrators like they have no control over the site and have no idea how to. The administrators try their best at their jobs, and they are doing well. I suggest you stop looking at them in a negative way and see the good of what they do.

 

It doesn't really matter. The thread its self isn't creating any drama in my eyes. The drama is the issues that are going on between Spyike and the staff and what not. Talking about this in a sensible, moderated way will not cause drama. Disallowing people from talking about bans and such will only make them want to do it more and make them mad that they can't. That just causes more drama because people get mad and start attacking each other and whining and such. Letting the users talk about issues, in a moderated way, and taking in to account what they have to say and how they feel about a situation would make many people much happier.

Do members have the perspective to make judgments on bans? Often the community is arguing over bans when they don't have all of the facts.

Your next question: Why not provide all of the facts? Confidentiality. Banned members deserve a certain level of privacy with their disputes. Staff also deserve a degree of confidentially, if they wish, on bans and their roles in them.

Ultimately our goal is to moderate not dominate, hence was this thread wasn't locked instantly. We are regular community members and do not want ours roles in bans to (often incorrectly) judge us in other settings.

 

[Divine_God]

There are problems here, and everyone knows it. You blow everything out of proportion and make Sythe seem like a horrible site and community, when in fact, it isn't. You bash on the administrators like they have no control over the site and have no idea how to. The administrators try their best at their jobs, and they are doing well. I suggest you stop looking at them in a negative way and see the good of what they do.

First off, calm down.
Not blowing anything out of proportion.
Sythe isn't a horrible community, it does have its problems.
I'm not bashing, I'm just stating facts.
The admins do a great job for their workload and I certainly couldn't do as well as they do.
I understand I am looking at them negatively and I'll try to fix it tomorrow.

Yet, there is still a problem with the Stingency of offences. At what point does a contributing member get banned by "protocol"? Simply put, Why ban someone who's contributed 40 Eggs, and taken 1 egg?

Utilitarianism to some small extent.

 

[The Legit Shop]

Do members have the perspective to make judgments on bans? Often the community is arguing over bans when they don't have all of the facts.

Your next question: Why not provide all of the facts? Confidentiality. Banned members deserve a certain level of privacy with their disputes. Staff also deserve a degree of confidentially, if they wish, on bans and their roles in them.

Ultimately our goal is to moderate not dominate, hence was this thread wasn't locked instantly. We are regular community members and do not want ours roles in bans to (often incorrectly) judge us in other settings.

I honestly don't think banned members deserve a degree of privacy and why would the staff need privacy in their decisions? Their decisions are supposed to be based off of facts and such and not personal private opinions that you cant reveal.

 

[goku usa]

First off, calm down.
Not blowing anything out of proportion.
Sythe isn't a horrible community, it does have its problems.
I'm not bashing, I'm just stating facts.
The admins do a great job for their workload and I certainly couldn't do as well as they do.
I understand I am looking at them negatively and I'll try to fix it tomorrow.

Yet, there is still a problem with the Stingency of offences. At what point does a contributing member get banned by "protocol"? Simply put, Why ban someone who's contributed 40 Eggs, and taken 1 egg?

Utilitarianism to some small extent.

Why did you skip my question? Was it too hard of a question? If you're unhappy about a situation, don't just cry about it and leave it to others to solve your problem. You should find it's solution. Going back to my question: since you say writing off an issue is not a solution to rule breaking, what is the solution?

 

[Zed']

There are problems here, and everyone knows it. You blow everything out of proportion and make Sythe seem like a horrible site and community, when in fact, it isn't. You bash on the administrators like they have no control over the site and have no idea how to. The administrators try their best at their jobs, and they are doing well. I suggest you stop looking at them in a negative way and see the good of what they do.

People blow things up when they are frustrated. People should be able to look past these and concentrate on the issue at hand.

What do you suggest they should do then? Let them off the hook? Ban them?

They get the punishment that the rules say they get. This thread isn't about people breaking rules. Its about the drama that is caused talking about issues essentially.

Do members have the perspective to make judgments on bans? Often the community is arguing over bans when they don't have all of the facts.

Your next question: Why not provide all of the facts? Confidentiality. Banned members deserve a certain level of privacy with their disputes. Staff also deserve a degree of confidentially, if they wish, on bans and their roles in them.

Ultimately our goal is to moderate not dominate, hence was this thread wasn't locked instantly. We are regular community members and do not want ours roles in bans to (often incorrectly) judge us in other settings.

I see exactly where you are coming from, but there is a major flaw. The dispute forum is public. Banned members aren't allowed confidentiality. If they were banned in error, they have to dispute publicly. The banned nobody, like if I were suddenly banned, would mean nothing to people. The banned somebody, Spyike, means a lot. The community wants to know what is going on and deserves to know. With confidentiality throw out the door with the public dispute forum, the staff should explain these bans to people unless the banned member requests them not to. Saying, this is what happened, and this is what is going to happen will make people happier. Knowing what is going on will make them happier. Letting them talk about these major community affecting (Spyike seemed to have a great influence on the community to cause such an uproar) would also make people happy. In my mind, trying to stop people from knowing and from talking just causes drama which you are trying to stop.

 

[Divine_God]

What do you suggest they should do then? Let them off the hook? Ban them?

Your question wasn't directed twords me, but ok.

If the offense is VERY MINOR and the member is a big contributor of the website, dont ban them because of "protocol". Just because Finn wants to ban someone doesn't mean everyone needs to jump on the bandwagon and agree.


Examples;

Farcast ( not angelmax** ) de-modded because of and item in RS crashed ( he dumped early )
Plznate banned for a self vouch he removed before ban.
Sin666 ban evading after contributing quite a bit.

Case-to-Case basis.

 

[The Legit Shop]

People blow things up when they are frustrated. People should be able to look past these and concentrate on the issue at hand.



They get the punishment that the rules say they get. This thread isn't about people breaking rules. Its about the drama that is caused talking about issues essentially.



I see exactly where you are coming from, but there is a major flaw. The dispute forum is public. Banned members aren't allowed confidentiality. If they were banned in error, they have to dispute publicly. The banned nobody, like if I were suddenly banned, would mean nothing to people. The banned somebody, Spyike, means a lot. The community wants to know what is going on and deserves to know. With confidentiality throw out the door with the public dispute forum, the staff should explain these bans to people unless the banned member requests them not to. Saying, this is what happened, and this is what is going to happen will make people happier. Knowing what is going on will make them happier. Letting them talk about these major community affecting (Spyike seemed to have a great influence on the community to cause such an uproar) would also make people happy. In my mind, trying to stop people from knowing and from talking just causes drama which you are trying to stop.

why did u add the "Unless the banned members requests not to" part?

 

[Zed']

Why did you skip my question? Was it too hard of a question? If you're unhappy about a situation, don't just cry about it and leave it to others to solve your problem. You should find it's solution. Going back to my question: since you say writing off an issue is not a solution to rule breaking, what is the solution?

Seeing and reporting on an issue is a great first step to resolving it. People may see an issue, but are unable to really explain it well or think of any solution to it at all. The start of a conversation about the issue will cause the issue to become more clear and solutions to appear. Posts like the one you made many times are the opposite of productive. Saying that people are crying about an issue or should stop complaining and figure out a solution just breeds drama, fighting, and unhappiness. If you have a point to make or you want a question answered that gets ignored, don't come out and say "Why didn't you answer my question?". Instead, just respond to their post and restate your question in a kind way as if they hadn't seen it the first time. It will just make the entire thread more productive.

 

[cosrob97]

Examples;

Anglemax de-modded because of and item in RS crashed ( he dumped early )
Plznate banned for a self vouch he removed before ban.
Sin666 ban evading after contributing quite a bit.

Case-to-Case basis.

It was Farcast for the rs item.
You're right with the plznate's situation.
I think Sin requested to be banned.

 

[Zed']

why did u add the "Unless the banned members requests not to" part?

The problem I see with banned members confidentiality is the public dispute forum. If they accept their punishment, what ever it may be and do not wish the reason for their ban to be released, then let them have their privacy. Without a dispute and arguing about the ban, the users should be able to accept that they do not know why the person was banned and move on.

 

[goku usa]

Why can't members talk about the Spyike issue? He seems like a very important person to many people and they should be allowed to express their feelings freely.

Here you say that members should be given drama cookies to enjoy with their breakfast of troll.

They get the punishment that the rules say they get. This thread isn't about people breaking rules. Its about the drama that is caused talking about issues essentially.

Here you contradict your earlier statement saying that you are having problems with people discussing such issues. I fail to see your point, because I feel you yourself don't know what you're saying. You are arguing merely for the sake of arguing without giving a second thoughts to your comments. Because if you were thinking about what you're trying to get across, you wouldn't contradict yourself.

 

[Divine_God]

Here you say that members should be given drama cookies to enjoy with their breakfast of troll.



Here you contradict your earlier statement saying that you are having problems with people discussing such issues. I fail to see your point, because I feel you yourself don't know what you're saying. You are arguing merely for the sake of arguing without giving a second thoughts to your comments. Because if you were thinking about what you're trying to get across, you wouldn't contradict yourself.

Goku PLEASE read his post.

He's not contradicting himself, you're using context. He stated that if no one else can see the information on the ban then discussing it will cause drama. People should know the information about peoples ban and THEN freely discuss their feelings.


How can one judge something without knowing anything about it?

 

[Zed']

Here you say that members should be given drama cookies to enjoy with their breakfast of troll.

Here you contradict your earlier statement saying that you are having problems with people discussing such issues. I fail to see your point, because I feel you yourself don't know what you're saying. You are arguing merely for the sake of arguing without giving a second thoughts to your comments. Because if you were thinking about what you're trying to get across, you wouldn't contradict yourself.

I see an issue. That makes it an issue. It only takes one person to make something an issue. If you do not see said issue, then you have no reason to post on the thread talking about the issue. This isn't a debate. This is a discussion. Attacking people is essentially what drama is. Once it starts, it will continue and the issue will be lost. I know what I am talking about. I know what I want to say. I am not contradicting myself. People need to be able to talk about issues in a way that does not breed drama and augmentation. This involves the staff accepting that they are not better than the average user and not taking these issues away and saying that "We will deal with it". The staff needs to give the users the information that they need in order to understand situations that arise and be able to tell the staff how they feel about it. There is only so many people on the staff. There is many more people in the community. With more people talking, better ideas can be thought up, developed, and used to correct the issues that even just one forum member sees.

 

[The Legit Shop]

The problem I see with banned members confidentiality is the public dispute forum. If they accept their punishment, what ever it may be and do not wish the reason for their ban to be released, then let them have their privacy. Without a dispute and arguing about the ban, the users should be able to accept that they do not know why the person was banned and move on.

I feel there should be a banned members list and it should say the reason staff member or member 1 post count. If you have someone added to your msn and have done previous trades before then you're going to trust him. What if before the trade, you view his profile, hes banned then you ask him why, he will just say "I got 10 infractions.", your going to ignore that and trade with him anyway. He can scam and have nothing to lose since he has nothing more to lose on sythe since hes really banned for scamming or something.