Do not ban for current offsite activities...

[SuF]

Offshoot of my old thread, here: Do not ban for offsite activities... (For reference. Made a new thread since the old one got too confusing.)

I'm going to be basing my suggestion to Magic Arrow's old suggestion that he showed me: What happens outside of Sythe.org, stays there. (For reference.)

First off, this suggestion will apply when you are already a member of Sythe with an account. Basically, if a user is found to be breaking Sythe.org rules outside of Sythe they will only be banned (temp or perm can be decided later) if:

1. They are breaking the rules of another site and are banned on it.
2. The rule that they were banned for is also a rule on Sythe.
3. The rule is something serious like phishing, cracking, hacking, scamming and not spamming or what ever.

They will NOT be banned if:

1. They are not banned of the other site. (The thing that they are doing isn't against that site's rules.)
2. The rule they were banned for isn't a rule on Sythe.

The only exceptions to this rule are things like selling Sythe accounts on another site or something similar that is obviously Sythe's business.

Thoughts? Ideas? Improvements?

Before I end I'd like to say thank you to Magic Arrow for posting that quite amazing suggestion in the first place. :love:

 

[snappie1000]

Depends on the nature of the rule which is broken. Scamming someone is something different from spamming.

 

[SuF]

Depends on the nature of the rule which is broken. Scamming someone is something different from spamming.

True. Let me add that in there. I'm talking for serious things like scamming, phishing, hacking.

 

[Divine_God]

I agree 100%.

Luke was banned for asking about key logging on hackforums, and received a perm ban for it. I'm guessing that they just want to keep the community safe but simply "asking" about key logging I don't find worthy for a perm ban.

 

[SuF]

I agree 100%.

Luke was banned for asking about key logging on hackforums, and received a perm ban for it. I'm guessing that they just want to keep the community safe but simply "asking" about key logging I don't find worthy for a perm ban.

Keeping the community safe is important, but keeping it alive and strong is too. Acts like phishing, cracking, and hacking can be done without an account so its really pointless to ban the user for it unless they start doing it on Sythe.

 

[cosrob97]

Would you say pin lines would get a user be banned since it's technically scamming *******, surfpin and Jagex?

 

[SuF]

Would you say pin lines would get a user be banned since it's technically scamming *******, surfpin and Jagex?

I hate filters. It would only get the person banned if they were also banned on the other site.

 

[snappie1000]

And how do you know it's the same person? I doubt much people will use the same username again on different forums, and even if they do, 2 names which are the same on 2 forums doesn't mean it's the same person using them.

 

[SuF]

And how do you know it's the same person? I doubt much people will use the same username again on different forums, and even if they do, 2 names which are the same on 2 forums doesn't mean it's the same person using them.

There would have to be proof.

 

[snappie1000]

There would have to be proof.

I think it would be very rare there is solid proof. A MSN could be hacked, pictures of the same account could be stolen etc.

In theory, it would be a good rule, if there is solid proof. But I do not believe much people would get banned by it, because it's easy for scammers to evade such rule.

 

The rule is something serious like phishing, cracking, hacking, scamming and not spamming or what ever.

They will NOT be banned if:

1. They are not banned of the other site. (The thing that they are doing isn't against that site's rules.)
2. The rule they were banned for isn't a rule on Sythe.

How about FJ.
Members are allowed to hack/phish/scam fellow scapers there, as it is not against their rules.
and remain not banned here?

enlighten me.

 

[SuF]

I think it would be very rare there is solid proof. A MSN could be hacked, pictures of the same account could be stolen etc.

In theory, it would be a good rule, if there is solid proof. But I do not believe much people would get banned by it, because it's easy for scammers to evade such rule.

Right now people get banned all the time for talking about phishing on other sites that allow it. They shouldn't be banned here for that. But if they scammed on another site and got banned there for it they should be.

 

[SuF]

How about FJ.
Members are allowed to hack/phish/scam fellow scapers there, as it is not against their rules.
and remain not banned here?

enlighten me.

FJ? What?

 

FJ? What?

FuckJagex, never heard of it?
it's basically a site that helps noobs learn how to be succesfull at hacking/phishing.

 

[SuF]

FuckJagex, never heard of it?
it's basically a site that helps noobs learn how to be succesfull at hacking/phishing.

Oh. As long as they are not banned on the other site they shouldn't be banned here as it is none of our business.

 

[snappie1000]

Right now people get banned all the time for talking about phishing on other sites that allow it. They shouldn't be banned here for that. But if they scammed on another site and got banned there for it they should be.

Agreed. But there should also be a exception on "not being banned". For example if the person in question recently scammed or phised on another site, I doubt they come here to be nice. If there is solid proof it is the same person comming here, for example to sell a account he used to scam on the other site, and there isn't a rule about scamming on the site he/she came from, I still think he/she should be banned. Or atleast be given something to make it clear the person has scammed people recently, such as a TWC sign or a temp ban from the markets for the first month.

 

[SuF]

Agreed. But there should also be a exception on "not being banned". For example if the person in question recently scammed or phised on another site, I doubt they come here to be nice. If there is solid proof it is the same person comming here, for example to sell a account he used to scam on the other site, and there isn't a rule about scamming on the site he/she came from, I still think he/she should be banned. Or atleast be given something to make it clear the person has scammed people recently, such as a TWC sign or a temp ban from the markets for the first month.

This thread is about current issues, meaning you have a Sythe account while you are doing things on other sites. You seem to be talking about doing bad things and then making an account on Sythe which is a different issue.

 

[snappie1000]

Not nessicarily. My point is that some major offences on this site may be allowed on other sites. If a scammers doesn't get banned on another site an there is proof the scammer has an account here, I still think he should be banned.

My suggestion:
Make three categories of offences.
A major offence broken on another site will result in a temp ban.
A average offence broken only results in a temp ban if the person is banned for it on the other site.
A minor offence, such as spamming, will not result in any type of punishment.

 

[SuF]

Not nessicarily. My point is that some major offences on this site may be allowed on other sites. If a scammers doesn't get banned on another site an there is proof the scammer has an account here, I still think he should be banned.

My suggestion:
Make three categories of offences.
A major offence broken on another site will result in a temp ban.
A average offence broken only results in a temp ban if the person is banned for it on the other site.
A minor offence, such as spamming, will not result in any type of punishment.

Is scamming the only offense that you feel should be banned even if its not against the rules of the other site?

 

[snappie1000]

Phising or for example threatning other people could aswell be included.