I answered how humans evolved from lower mammals in my above post.
For the origin of life, see abiogenesis.
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I answered how humans evolved from lower mammals in my above post.
For the origin of life, see abiogenesis.
Not necessarily, in any case there is a solid theory on how life originated.
If we're taking this stupid argument, who created god?
As I've said, there is an extremely plausible theory on how life originated, and I'm happy to explain it to you if you haven't read it.
Interesting.
I came on here because I can't sleep, and saw this, and figured it was semi-directed towards me. Let me see if I can't help you understand a bit more Fatih
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I didn't watch the video because my laptop can't handle it, and it's 4:00 a.m., so yeah. But I can easily conclude what it said by what others have said and how the discussion has progressed, so... let us begin.
Point one, never assume something is an absolute truth. I think only atheists, and semi-agnostics understand this. Theists don't seem to comprehend that the second you stop accepting the possibility of being wrong is when you're wrong. It's a religious code to be hard headed, no one can blame you for your beliefs, but it's true. Hell, mathematicians are hard headed because math is proven to them on a daily basis, but I promise you that they aren't always going to be 100% correct. They are for now, but their day will come.
Point two (on the human thing), we evolved. Plain and simple. You can't really combat this as the things you witness every day prove this. Did we follow Darwin's exact path of evolution? Probably not. Do we have all the pieces put in place? Nope. Are we getting there? Maybe.
Should we assume that God/Allah/Zeus/Beelzebub/etc were responsible for our creation till we know otherwise, while meanwhile attacking those who think differently until such time that we are destroyed by our own closed-mindedness? Hell fucking no.
Plain and simple. While there may be some truths found in such texts, there is no way at this time that we can completely and utterly accept them as 100% absolutes, and following them blindly until such time is counter productive to our evolutionary process.
Also, time is relative. This is a fact (for now), that can be constantly witnessed. I say this because you assume the existence of a beginning and/or end when there is no reason to presume such even occurred.
I came on here because I can't sleep, and saw this, and figured it was semi-directed towards me. Let me see if I can't help you understand a bit more Fatih
.I didn't watch the video because my laptop can't handle it, and it's 4:00 a.m., so yeah. But I can easily conclude what it said by what others have said and how the discussion has progressed, so... let us begin.
Point one, never assume something is an absolute truth. I think only atheists, and semi-agnostics understand this. Theists don't seem to comprehend that the second you stop accepting the possibility of being wrong is when you're wrong. It's a religious code to be hard headed, no one can blame you for your beliefs, but it's true. Hell, mathematicians are hard headed because math is proven to them on a daily basis, but I promise you that they aren't always going to be 100% correct. They are for now, but their day will come.
Point two (on the human thing), we evolved. Plain and simple. You can't really combat this as the things you witness every day prove this. Did we follow Darwin's exact path of evolution? Probably not. Do we have all the pieces put in place? Nope. Are we getting there? Maybe.
Should we assume that God/Allah/Zeus/Beelzebub/etc were responsible for our creation till we know otherwise, while meanwhile attacking those who think differently until such time that we are destroyed by our own closed-mindedness? Hell fucking no.
Plain and simple. While there may be some truths found in such texts, there is no way at this time that we can completely and utterly accept them as 100% absolutes, and following them blindly until such time is counter productive to our evolutionary process.
Also, time is relative. This is a fact (for now), that can be constantly witnessed. I say this because you assume the existence of a beginning and/or end when there is no reason to presume such even occurred.
Interesting.
I came on here because I can't sleep, and saw this, and figured it was semi-directed towards me. Let me see if I can't help you understand a bit more Fatih
I didn't watch the video because my laptop can't handle it, and it's 4:00 a.m., so yeah. But I can easily conclude what it said by what others have said and how the discussion has progressed, so... let us begin.
Point one, never assume something is an absolute truth. I think only atheists, and semi-agnostics understand this. Theists don't seem to comprehend that the second you stop accepting the possibility of being wrong is when you're wrong. It's a religious code to be hard headed, no one can blame you for your beliefs, but it's true. Hell, mathematicians are hard headed because math is proven to them on a daily basis, but I promise you that they aren't always going to be 100% correct. They are for now, but their day will come.
Point two (on the human thing), we evolved. Plain and simple. You can't really combat this as the things you witness every day prove this. Did we follow Darwin's exact path of evolution? Probably not. Do we have all the pieces put in place? Nope. Are we getting there? Maybe.
Should we assume that God/Allah/Zeus/Beelzebub/etc were responsible for our creation till we know otherwise, while meanwhile attacking those who think differently until such time that we are destroyed by our own closed-mindedness? Hell fucking no.
Plain and simple. While there may be some truths found in such texts, there is no way at this time that we can completely and utterly accept them as 100% absolutes, and following them blindly until such time is counter productive to our evolutionary process.
Also, time is relative. This is a fact (for now), that can be constantly witnessed. I say this because you assume the existence of a beginning and/or end when there is no reason to presume such even occurred.
There are tons of proofs that god exists, it isn't a blind following.
Any human being, when shown something that they have never seen would assume that someone made it and created it, but when it comes to God, all that human logic just vanishes.
For all of you who believe in evolution, or that there were some elements of matter that we accidentally evolved from, that is more silly then religion.
The evolution theory is a theory to this day, it hasn't been proven along with everything else you guys claim. You guys can't give a solid answer with some proof on how we came to existence, while I can.
Something I noticed on sythe is that you guys are close minded when it comes to these issues. I can show you proofs and reasons why there is a God, but it seems like they just bounce off the back of your head. I think you guys don't want to accept that there is a god, which is why you come up with all these silly arguments on how we evolved from monkey, or by some scientific combustion of matter we came to be. Be serious.. lol Just think about what you're saying, it as all ridiculous.
I'm gonna conclude by saying that discussing god with members of sythe is a waste of time because you guys enter the discussion with arrogance, thinking you are 100% right and I'm wrong. This kind of arrogance doesn't lead to any conversations that would benefit either side, it just becomes a whole bunch of attacking both sides.
We assume that somebody made it if we know that somebody is able to make it and have seen people make it before. If I go on the beach for the first time, I don't say "Who put all of this sand here?" (and if I did say that, my assumption that a person did it would be incorrect, as beaches form via a natural occurrence).
A scientific theory is something that is widely accepted due to a large amount of proof. You seem to have confused this with the common use of the word theory to mean "idea" or something of the like.
Several points here.
- I became an athiest because of a lack of evidence for the existance of God.
- If there was genuine evidence to support your claim, I would have no trouble believing it (this is, after all, how the scientific method works).
- We didn't evolve from monkeys and nobody said that we did.
I enter the discussion thinking I'm right just as you enter the discussion thinking that you're right (the difference is, of course that I would be persuaded by evidence, whereas you wouldn't be persuaded by anything because you blindly follow the religion of your parents).
TBH, its guys like you who made me revoke my christian beliefs.
By saying that everyone else is arrogant, and unable/unwilling to believe you and your absolute truth, you are manifesting exactly what deacon just said.
You cannot prove there is a god. I believe there is one, but I don't blindly claim that there is a method to prove his existence. There is no process, no empirical evidence, or method of proving scientifically that god exists. It is all theory and speculation.
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For the people that say,
So if wisdom was in the beginning and wisdom was God then nothing created wisdom because wisdom was the beginning and wisdom is God. I guess it's hard to comprehend for some people.
the answer is simple;
So if wisdom was in the beginning and wisdom was God then nothing created wisdom because wisdom was the beginning and wisdom is God. I guess it's hard to comprehend for some people.
You clearly have no understanding of the Bible at all, because from that chapter, it is quite clear that the word (logos in greek) was Jesus.
John Chapter 1 said:
You can't use the bible to prove the validity of the bible. That's what you're doing; you're trying to prove god so that your bible is worth more than ~15 U.S.D.
I knew you were going to do this, so I should have prepared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWds7djuWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1prZPo4OCL0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQZUtSOjA8g ( This one is iffy).
Pick any of those and you'll learn something you didn't know. This is the start: after this point in time, there is life, and natural selection can begin to do what it does best.
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That is a lame excuse, because in order for something to appear, something has to be there. Which means that god couldn't just appear out of no where.
maybe the water did put the sand there, but who created the water, and so on. Once you get to the first creation in the cycle, the question comes down to who created that?
Just because a whole bunch of people believe and accept a theory, that doesn't make it fact. if there was enough proof to make it true, it wouldn't be called a theory anymore.
Just because science can't explain something, doesn't mean that it isn't true haha. And because you love your science so much, look at the quran; a booik revealed about 1500 years ago and it has a lot of things that have been discovered recently in detail.
Explain that? There isn't only one thing on the earth being round or whatever, there are many many scientific proofs in the quran. You being ignorant as you are won't go and look them up and actually listen to the facts that are given to you. Instead you sit there and come up with excuses dumber than yourself.
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If there was a God, he wouldn't be like his creation. Don't compare the creation to the creator.
So since you used the excuse that nothing can pop out of mid air, then how did he come to be?
Proof is subjective. And as I said in point 1, never assume something is an absolute truth. The second you start thinking you're right, you're wrong. It's not just an ancient Chinese proverb, it's valid, and applicable. You assume that you are 100% correct, and nothing can change your mind. God himself could tell you he doesn't exist, and you wouldn't faulter in your beliefs, you'd think it a test, or something stupid like that.
Evolution is witnessable by change. Darwin's theory isn't 100%, however, it is a fact that we have evolved from lesser beings and we are still evolving. This is obvious in every new generation. It may seem minute now, but our change is indeed happening.
I also didn't give you a solid answer, I just told you that I won't give you a solid answer because I'm willing to say "I don't know." Are you?
Hypocrite. I suggest you take a look at my blog (http://mypointlesslife.net/2009/11/29/success-needs-friends/). Read the image at the bottom of that post. While you may think you are right, and 100% valid, that's merely a subjective opinion.
What you're saying is equally if not more so ridiculous. Not to mention, you clearly haven't much knowledge of what you're talking about because you resort to petty insults and childish behavior. You don't know anything about the valid scientific theories that attempt to explain our existence, as if you did, you would not be making such brash generalizations and idiotic remarks.
I, on the other hand, happen to know quite a bit about many religious mythologies. I'm no where near a scholar, and I'll agree that some of the religious stories have merit, but nothing in any document amounts to valid proof of what you are claiming.
Again, your conclusion shows that you are the one who is hard headed. Many atheists are willing to admit when they may be wrong, in fact, a lot of them welcome the debate in which everything they know is disproven. We'd find it interesting, I'd bet.
The problem with religious debates on this forum is the religious people do not listen, and merely sprout off propaganda, whereas the atheists/agnostics tend to do more debating and sharing of knowledge. We want you to understand, we want you to at least rationalize your mind enough so that we can try and help you through your childish state of mind and ascend to a higher level of thinking.
Maybe then you can actually enjoy debating the topics with a few intellectuals
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Im an agnostic, so i believe in a higher power, but when it comes to religion it just doesnt make any sense to me. If there is a god im almost positive that he wouldnt have people to worship him and have all these wars and low parts of human existance because of different religious views.
Just a note, if you believe in a higher power you're probably not an agnostic but a deist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
This subject is discussed much too much. I believe Dr. Zakir proves his point
on the existence of Allah. There are many details and facts that lead to this
belief. To you Christians, I honestly do not believe that the Bible has valid
information, as there are many different "versions" of the bible that have
slightly different details included inside it. Yet the Qur'an is one book, and
only one version, and is detailed with facts of the creation of this world.
Also, as Dr. Zakir has stated before, in no holy book does it state the "Fact of Evolution" but the "Theory of evolution."
on the existence of Allah. There are many details and facts that lead to this
belief. To you Christians, I honestly do not believe that the Bible has valid
information, as there are many different "versions" of the bible that have
slightly different details included inside it. Yet the Qur'an is one book, and
only one version, and is detailed with facts of the creation of this world.
Also, as Dr. Zakir has stated before, in no holy book does it state the "Fact of Evolution" but the "Theory of evolution."
Lol. He comes no where near proving allah or even the validity of being a muslim. I'll agree that there are many versions of the bible, and all of them are wrong; just like the quran. It's no more valid than this:
In fact, I might worship Dr. Seuss before Allah, Yahweh, Jehova, or whatever he's called - it really doesn't matter - because he's a generally more pleasant character, we've much more proofs for his existence, and his books are much better. (I've read the bible and parts of the qur'an).
They aren't facts of creations, but arguments that are half-assed and not true.
HAH. I love this tired, old, boring, ignorant "argument". Thank you for showing a lack of knowledge in the English language. You see, Garamond, words can have multiple meanings: you pan the camera and you bake a cake in a pan. This works with the word theory too. In Science the word Theory means something that has been tried and tested MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times.
Dictionaries are thatta' way >>>
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